Employees... ugh.

[Joe Wordsworth]

Dear Employee,

No, you won't be getting a raise. The short answer is that the budget is preset, the expenses on incidentals is always hard to predict, and the owners get what they want. Your work has been good. Let's look ahead, for a bit.

The long answer is you do a job that a literal millions of people out there could do. Its not labor intensive and takes only a bit of personality and some basic reasoning skills, no matter what you and your friends talk about behind closed doors about how there are so few "smart" people like ya'll out there... you're wrong. There are millions and millions and millions of fully functioning, normal people out there. And every year, the number of computer-literate applicants grows. You - Are - Not - Special.

Be grateful you get your $8/hr. Be grateful you don't have to scrub things for hours on end. Be grateful you get to work a job that has regularity and precedance. Note, and note fully, that I don't care how awesome you think you are. I want X, Y, and Z done in a given shift and I could probably get someone else to do it for less money than you're being paid. Quit your bitching and accept the fact that advancement is a long-term game of years and experience--or stop deluding yourself and go the hell back to college, this time without being lazy, and make something else of yourself.

I don't owe you shit. Not even your job. Do the work, you get paid for it, if that's an unacceptable situation... fucking quit then. Either way, I don't want to hear about it.

Blow me and hard,

The Guy That Signs the Paychecks

 

[matriarch]

*raised eyebrow*.......someone piss you off, Joe.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Dear Employee,

Blow me and hard,

The Guy That Signs the Paychecks

those pesky employees at it again, Joe?

 

[English Lady]

*strokes and soothes the boss man*

 

[R. Richard]

Joe:
I am a business owner. However, I worked as an employee for a time. Let me answer your letter.

Dear Employee,

No, you won't be getting a raise. The short answer is that the budget is preset, the expenses on incidentals is always hard to predict, and the owners get what they want. Your work has been good. Let's look ahead, for a bit.

The long answer is you do a job that a literal millions of people out there could do. Its not labor intensive and takes only a bit of personality and some basic reasoning skills, no matter what you and your friends talk about behind closed doors about how there are so few "smart" people like ya'll out there... you're wrong. There are millions and millions and millions of fully functioning, normal people out there. And every year, the number of computer-literate applicants grows. You - Are - Not - Special.

I am a computer programmer. I have current expert level knowledge of a half dozen computer languages, three of which I use in my work for you. In addition to carrying my full load of work, I also consult with the rest of your programmers to solve the pesky problems that they can't solve. I was unaware that so many can program computers at a real-time level. In addition, I have a degree in math and I can develop my own algorithms and/or understand the PhD level algorithms necessary for my work. It is something of a shock to realize that I am not special.

Be grateful you get your $8/hr. Be grateful you don't have to scrub things for hours on end. Be grateful you get to work a job that has regularity and precedance. Note, and note fully, that I don't care how awesome you think you are. I want X, Y, and Z done in a given shift and I could probably get someone else to do it for less money than you're being paid. Quit your bitching and accept the fact that advancement is a long-term game of years and experience--or stop deluding yourself and go the hell back to college, this time without being lazy, and make something else of yourself.

I don't work for $8 per hour. Perhaps your wife and daughter earn that rate walking the streets, but I am a skilled worker. I have chosen to work at a steady job, for several reasons. Howefver, I can always go back to collecting what is owed The Man. I don't doubt that you can hire some yuck off the street to fill my position, but the dumb mofo will never be able to do my job. I realize that advancement is a long term proposition and the those who can lead need to develop those skills in the crucible of experience. I apparently do not have the years of experience required to lead. Since I don't have the experience required to lead, I would ask that you keep the rest of your dumbfuck employees off me while I wrap up my current work.

I don't owe you shit. Not even your job. Do the work, you get paid for it, if that's an unacceptable situation... fucking quit then. Either way, I don't want to hear about it.

OK, then stop handing me shit. I will do the work I get paid for, and only the work I get paid for, for the next two weeks. You may not want to hear about it, but I need to notify someone in a position of authority and the dumb bitch in personnel who blows you and hard does not qualify.

By the way, I am in a position to read/hear the recommendation you give to other places I may choose to work. If you decide to dump on me, I will send your wife the photos from the last Xmas party, all except the one featuring the 16-year-old temp from Shipping. That last one goes to the police!

Have a nice day.
R. Richard

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Me and another manager run the hotel. He's an old-school fellow with a bad temper that the staff generally doesn't like. He's rough and gruff and yells sometimes. They've complained to our owners and all sorts of people, threatened to quit, etc.

I'm the nice guy. They like me. I'm all pleasant and friendly. They have on a number of occasions asked or hoped openly that I take over the whole enterprise.

This is because they don't understand.

Vick (other manager) cares about them--the staff, that is. He gets frustrated with them when they resign themselves to failure, he gets involved with their personal lives a bit, and he blames them and himself and the company for a lot. They see a guy who bitches at them for not doing their job like he wants, what it means though is that he sees them as his children and gets tempermental and emotional about them risking their jobs (and the welfare programs that will stop feeding their kids or providing health insurance or whatever should they be terminated from it).

Me? I, and this is only a bit of a shame (but it is still a bit), couldn't care less.

I smile and request things, I don't give orders like he does. I tell them what I want done. And when they don't do it, I advocate their immediate termination. I still like them, but what their jobs means to them or for them isn't and won't ever be my concern. I am impersonal and charming, I am an effective business man in this regard.

He frequently vetoes my termination requests--which is fine, because that's part of his job. I don't take it personally. It's all business, cold, 1's and 0's, authority and not. I get paid whether the whole staff is fired or not. We document everything, and there have been times when someone I wanted to fire (who was saved by Vick's "let's bring 'em in here and wake 'em up!" style) turned out to do great later... there've been times when I've terminated someone over being a minute late and their next employer has had tardiness problems from them more grievously than we had. I've been right (in the end) and wrong (in the end). But more often right than wrong, and regardless... its just business.

He used to like to give raises for people doing well, based on when those things are noticed. I prefer a regular, metered, quantifiable method on a regular time table.

I instituted a policy of formulaic employment at our hotel... it comes down to:

1) You were hired for X dollars to do job Y.
2) Failure to do all of job Y, correctly and timely, will result in you violating that agreement.
3) Warning.
4) Termination.

Raises are handled, now, on my policy:

1) You get no raise for doing job Y.
2) Job Y is what you said you'd do for X dollars.
3) If you want >X dollars, you need to do >Y.
4) If I don't need or want you doing >Y, don't do it.
5) If you're not doing >Y (regardless the reason), you're not getting >X dollars.
6) If you want >X dollars for doing Y, you're going to be disappointed and are welcome to quit.

Two of my clerks are angling for a raise. One is using the "I do my job!" excuse and the other is using the "I do this extra stuff" excuse. Regrettably, I am going to have to explain to them that (1) you're already being paid what you agreed to for doing your job and (2) I don't need or want you doing the extra stuff.

Being pleasant and charming? Part of the job.
Doing assigned work? Part of the job.
Coming in on time every time? Part of the job.

The caveat is, if I need someone doing more than their job... that's notable. That's a point to use for a raise. If there are duties one would like to formally take responsibility for? Point for a raise. The "I end up doing ALL this extra stuff, woe is me, I'm oppressed, waahhh!" defense? Not really my problem.

I keep telling our owners (who'd like to fire Vick because of the staff complaining about him), that the alternative would be me... and I'm cold and merciless, and smile a lot.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Joe:
I am a business owner. However, I worked as an employee for a time. Let me answer your letter.

I am a computer programmer. I have current expert level knowledge of a half dozen computer languages, three of which I use in my work for you. In addition to carrying my full load of work, I also consult with the rest of your programmers to solve the pesky problems that they can't solve. I was unaware that so many can program computers at a real-time level. In addition, I have a degree in math and I can develop my own algorithms and/or understand the PhD level algorithms necessary for my work. It is something of a shock to realize that I am not special.

I don't work for $8 per hour. Perhaps your wife and daughter earn that rate walking the streets, but I am a skilled worker. I have chosen to work at a steady job, for several reasons. Howefver, I can always go back to collecting what is owed The Man. I don't doubt that you can hire some yuck off the street to fill my position, but the dumb mofo will never be able to do my job. I realize that advancement is a long term proposition and the those who can lead need to develop those skills in the crucible of experience. I apparently do not have the years of experience required to lead. Since I don't have the experience required to lead, I would ask that you keep the rest of your dumbfuck employees off me while I wrap up my current work.

OK, then stop handing me shit. I will do the work I get paid for, and only the work I get paid for, for the next two weeks. You may not want to hear about it, but I need to notify someone in a position of authority and the dumb bitch in personnel who blows you and hard does not qualify.

By the way, I am in a position to read/hear the recommendation you give to other places I may choose to work. If you decide to dump on me, I will send your wife the photos from the last Xmas party, all except the one featuring the 16-year-old temp from Shipping. That last one goes to the police!

Have a nice day.
R. Richard

So, you're basically... if I read this right... not (and for several reasons) the sort of employee in question?

Is that about right?

 

[R. Richard]

So, you're basically... if I read this right... not (and for several reasons) the sort of employee in question?

Is that about right?

I am NOT an $8 an hour emplyee. I am a highly skilled, very difficult to replace employee. It is not really because of my college background, I was able to take just one more than the minimum required math courses because had to take required courses in underwater basket weaving and pissing up a rope. I mostly trained myself to do the recondite work I did. I not only did the work, I often had to go in and explain situations to the customer, because the highly experienced administrative staff didn't have a clue.

My normal programming was considered to be both good and very clear, so that junior level personnel could maintain it. Some of the eldritch stuff I did to jam a quart of real-time application into a pint of memory was so involved that even other senior level people couldn't follow it.

Management never really understood my work or the level of skill it took to do my work, until I left. Once I left, it became pellucidly clear how valuable I had been. Normally, after the revelation, the big boss would call my boss in and ask, "Fuckup, how long have you worked for us?"

By the way, I run my own business and I hire [and fire] employees. I don't hire employees who can't or won't do the job for which I hire them. I have developed my own interview procedures to screen applicants. I had to do that last, as no personnel staff can evaluate the answers to the questions I use during my interviews.

Maybe you ought to look at developing better screening procedures.

By the way, I no longer program computers as the main part of my job. Instead, I use the job skills I developed begining as a 12-year-old running the mean streets of an inner city.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

I really wasn't going to respond, because it seem you just want to layout your resume for some reason--as it has little to nothing to do with what I'm talking about... but, to elucidate that point, I do have a specific response and question for one part of it (the handling of which, I think, will yield just what we're dealing with).

By the way, I run my own business and I hire [and fire] employees. I don't hire employees who can't or won't do the job for which I hire them. I have developed my own interview procedures to screen applicants. I had to do that last, as no personnel staff can evaluate the answers to the questions I use during my interviews.

We will have to politely forgive me for doubting the assertion that you, somehow far and wide and above the ability, skillbase, and knowledge of larger, more experienced, and more widespread corporation, have some special recipe for interviews that does so remarkably well...

...but, I'll bite and open the door to my own enlightenment and the bettering of myself as a professional, what's your interview procedure like? Me? All I ever did was certify in Achieve Global and IHG Behavioral Interviewing--I'd be delighted to have a glimpse of this remarkable procedure.

 

[R. Richard]

I hire specialized employees. I hire them to do a job that I myself do. I ask questions that don't have "an" answer. When I finish asking the question, I say "go" and the prospective employee starts talking. I then use the employee answer to determine not only the employee's skill level but the employee's aptitude for the job. I have an advantage over the normal interviewer in that no normal person can answer my questions. If an employee can answer my questions, he is qualified at some level.

Admittedly, the average employer does not have the advantage of interviewing prospective employees with the kind of unique back ground I require, but it seems to me that a work oriented question and answer session should be possible for even normal occupations. The idea is to weed out those who can't do the job. If the interviewer is asking, "Do you like to work with people?" that is a wasted question for a hotel. The trick is to find a working question. An example for a hotel might be, "How do I get to your hotel?" If the interviewee does not immediately ask, "Where are you?" then the correct interviewer response is "Next!" Similarly, if the interviewee does not know where the hotel is from the airport call, "Next!"

I am not an expert in the management of a hotel, but if I had to be, I would have a set of interview questions that would work.

 

[Belegon]

I've been hiring and firing since the late '80s.

I've been fooled by an interview and will freely admit it.

I'm sorry R. Richard, but if you have been lucky enough that you have never been sorry you hired a person then you must be hiring for a much more specialized position (making it far easier to evaluate) and been both on your game about the interviewing and LUCKY.

That's my opinion.

This makes it sound like you are not hiring $8.00 an hour people:

I have an advantage over the normal interviewer in that no normal person can answer my questions. If an employee can answer my questions, he is qualified at some level.

Hiring for entry level positions is far more of a crap shoot then hiring for very specific skills.

I've hired people that had great aptitude. But they were very motivated for the interview. They were motivated the first month. Six months later? Not so much.

Edit: D'oh! He says in the first line...."I hire specialized employees"

Sorry...

 

[Antfarmer77]

Dear Employee,

No, you won't be getting a raise. The short answer is that the budget is preset, the expenses on incidentals is always hard to predict, and the owners get what they want. Your work has been good. Let's look ahead, for a bit.

The long answer is you do a job that a literal millions of people out there could do. Its not labor intensive and takes only a bit of personality and some basic reasoning skills, no matter what you and your friends talk about behind closed doors about how there are so few "smart" people like ya'll out there... you're wrong. There are millions and millions and millions of fully functioning, normal people out there. And every year, the number of computer-literate applicants grows. You - Are - Not - Special.

Be grateful you get your $8/hr. Be grateful you don't have to scrub things for hours on end. Be grateful you get to work a job that has regularity and precedance. Note, and note fully, that I don't care how awesome you think you are. I want X, Y, and Z done in a given shift and I could probably get someone else to do it for less money than you're being paid. Quit your bitching and accept the fact that advancement is a long-term game of years and experience--or stop deluding yourself and go the hell back to college, this time without being lazy, and make something else of yourself.

I don't owe you shit. Not even your job. Do the work, you get paid for it, if that's an unacceptable situation... fucking quit then. Either way, I don't want to hear about it.

Blow me and hard,

The Guy That Signs the Paychecks

I've worked for guys like you

 

[gauchecritic]

You sound like a schmuck Joe.

Have you ever actually told any of your employees that you don't give a fuck about them? That because you pay them peanuts they are not worthy enough to even talk to you?

They talk about you (or the company) behind your back and then you come here and cry about all the aggravation they give you?

Well to be quite frank Joe, I don't actually give a fuck about how hard you have to work for your inflated salary either, and whinging about how poorly your employees are paid and that they're not grateful to you for it smacks a little bit of pomposity and little grasp of the basic niceties (in all senses) of responsibility.

Dear Employer,

For my $8 an hour I will start work on the dot, I will also finish work, on the dot, whether that means I'm in the middle of a phone call or a conference I will finish work at exactly the time that you stop paying me my $8.

Those phone calls that don't get answered when I'm eating lunch can call some other hotel to get a room.

That guy from the other hotel who keeps on ringing me to fix his shitty computer problem that stops him from clearing a booking? He can call the software vendors at $8 a minute.

Instead of smiling and showing outward sign of interest in a customer's peripheral concerns that have exactly zero bearing on the job in hand I'll stay poe faced and zombied and give her yes or no answers.

For $8 you get a body, what you don't get is personality, charm, graciousness or concern.

Your accounting/accountants, your budgets and deficits, your bottom line is no concern of mine. I've put up with any amount of crap from any number of employees, bosses, guests and customers for 8 years, for 8 months or for 8 hours, I've earned my money and my loyalty has earned me, if not more dollars then, at least more respect than charming some accountants at interview and then demanding respect from people I've never spoken honestly to.

I can do my job sir, let's see you do yours by reducing turnover, increasing production and not making me dread waking up before I go to work.

Then, when they close this hole you can always go work for MacDonald's where they'd actually appreciate this management stylee.



P.S you only gave me one side Joe, that's all I can respond to.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

I hire specialized employees. I hire them to do a job that I myself do. I ask questions that don't have "an" answer. When I finish asking the question, I say "go" and the prospective employee starts talking. I then use the employee answer to determine not only the employee's skill level but the employee's aptitude for the job. I have an advantage over the normal interviewer in that no normal person can answer my questions. If an employee can answer my questions, he is qualified at some level.

So, what's a specific example? One that's happened?

 

[Boota]

So, Joe, you're looking for the kind of employee who will take abuse for peanuts? Someone without enough self-esteem or better viable options to quit and find a good job? Must be a great place to work.

 

[CharleyH]

Me and another manager run the hotel. He's an old-school fellow with a bad temper that the staff generally doesn't like. He's rough and gruff and yells sometimes. They've complained to our owners and all sorts of people, threatened to quit, etc.

I'm the nice guy. They like me. I'm all pleasant and friendly. They have on a number of occasions asked or hoped openly that I take over the whole enterprise.

This is because they don't understand.

Vick (other manager) cares about them--the staff, that is. He gets frustrated with them when they resign themselves to failure, he gets involved with their personal lives a bit, and he blames them and himself and the company for a lot. They see a guy who bitches at them for not doing their job like he wants, what it means though is that he sees them as his children and gets tempermental and emotional about them risking their jobs (and the welfare programs that will stop feeding their kids or providing health insurance or whatever should they be terminated from it).

Me? I, and this is only a bit of a shame (but it is still a bit), couldn't care less.

I smile and request things, I don't give orders like he does. I tell them what I want done. And when they don't do it, I advocate their immediate termination. I still like them, but what their jobs means to them or for them isn't and won't ever be my concern. I am impersonal and charming, I am an effective business man in this regard.

He frequently vetoes my termination requests--which is fine, because that's part of his job. I don't take it personally. It's all business, cold, 1's and 0's, authority and not. I get paid whether the whole staff is fired or not. We document everything, and there have been times when someone I wanted to fire (who was saved by Vick's "let's bring 'em in here and wake 'em up!" style) turned out to do great later... there've been times when I've terminated someone over being a minute late and their next employer has had tardiness problems from them more grievously than we had. I've been right (in the end) and wrong (in the end). But more often right than wrong, and regardless... its just business.

He used to like to give raises for people doing well, based on when those things are noticed. I prefer a regular, metered, quantifiable method on a regular time table.

I instituted a policy of formulaic employment at our hotel... it comes down to:

1) You were hired for X dollars to do job Y.
2) Failure to do all of job Y, correctly and timely, will result in you violating that agreement.
3) Warning.
4) Termination.

Raises are handled, now, on my policy:

1) You get no raise for doing job Y.
2) Job Y is what you said you'd do for X dollars.
3) If you want >X dollars, you need to do >Y.
4) If I don't need or want you doing >Y, don't do it.
5) If you're not doing >Y (regardless the reason), you're not getting >X dollars.
6) If you want >X dollars for doing Y, you're going to be disappointed and are welcome to quit.

Two of my clerks are angling for a raise. One is using the "I do my job!" excuse and the other is using the "I do this extra stuff" excuse. Regrettably, I am going to have to explain to them that (1) you're already being paid what you agreed to for doing your job and (2) I don't need or want you doing the extra stuff.

Being pleasant and charming? Part of the job.
Doing assigned work? Part of the job.
Coming in on time every time? Part of the job.

The caveat is, if I need someone doing more than their job... that's notable. That's a point to use for a raise. If there are duties one would like to formally take responsibility for? Point for a raise. The "I end up doing ALL this extra stuff, woe is me, I'm oppressed, waahhh!" defense? Not really my problem.

I keep telling our owners (who'd like to fire Vick because of the staff complaining about him), that the alternative would be me... and I'm cold and merciless, and smile a lot.

The thing I love about you Joe is that you always put politics in a lay venue for the masses - I don't agree with all you say and sometimes I think you should just say it, but I understand what angle you like to attack from. and cudos.

 

[English Lady]

Oh, gees.

the guy wants his employees to do what they're employeed for. He's having a bit of a bitch, to clear the air.

We're all allowed a rant, yes? regularly, folks rant, let off steam here. Why can't Joe do that too?


And accusing him of being an abusive boss just seems down right daft, Boota. you know that's not what is being expressed here, right?


Anyway, I'll retire gracefully before i embarass Joe any more.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

You sound like a schmuck Joe.

I choose to see it as "I'm a necessary component to the system". I do have reasons for that, but I didn't want to get too wordy if you didn't care to hear them.

Have you ever actually told any of your employees that you don't give a fuck about them? That because you pay them peanuts they are not worthy enough to even talk to you?

I've told them that I like them and hope the best for them, and that the job they're in isn't the end of the road and everybody should be working hard to get up and out of here and do something better. I encourage them to make commodities out of their work, and treat their time and effort as a business arrangement to be renegotiated as often as possible. I also tell them that I have simple standards, clear rules, and if they don't want to or can't work by them that I don't need them and they won't work for me.

It's a mixed plate, and yes, a good deal of it is cold.

They talk about you (or the company) behind your back and then you come here and cry about all the aggravation they give you?

They rather like me, I'm afraid--which is a little tragic and encouraging.

Well to be quite frank Joe, I don't actually give a fuck about how hard you have to work for your inflated salary either, and whinging about how poorly your employees are paid and that they're not grateful to you for it smacks a little bit of pomposity and little grasp of the basic niceties (in all senses) of responsibility.

The height, and I think this to be a truth, of responsibility is the recognition of the clear reasons and consequences of one's actions and a firm sense of duty with regard to the goals both expected and consigned from you. I pay well, I expect much, I tolerate nothing--in this, as a businessman, I am an easily know quantity and a consistent presence.

And consistency is by far the hallmark of every serious enterprise, I should think.

Dear Employer,

For my $8 an hour I will start work on the dot, I will also finish work, on the dot, whether that means I'm in the middle of a phone call or a conference I will finish work at exactly the time that you stop paying me my $8.

Those phone calls that don't get answered when I'm eating lunch can call some other hotel to get a room.

That guy from the other hotel who keeps on ringing me to fix his shitty computer problem that stops him from clearing a booking? He can call the software vendors at $8 a minute.

Instead of smiling and showing outward sign of interest in a customer's peripheral concerns that have exactly zero bearing on the job in hand I'll stay poe faced and zombied and give her yes or no answers.

For $8 you get a body, what you don't get is personality, charm, graciousness or concern.

Your accounting/accountants, your budgets and deficits, your bottom line is no concern of mine. I've put up with any amount of crap from any number of employees, bosses, guests and customers for 8 years, for 8 months or for 8 hours, I've earned my money and my loyalty has earned me, if not more dollars then, at least more respect than charming some accountants at interview and then demanding respect from people I've never spoken honestly to.

I can do my job sir, let's see you do yours by reducing turnover, increasing production and not making me dread waking up before I go to work.

Then, when they close this hole you can always go work for MacDonald's where they'd actually appreciate this management stylee.

This only mostly works... work begins at a set time and ends when the job is done (so leaving "on time" has no meaning), I hardly expect any employee of mine to work through lunch (and lunches, to a great extent, are far from mandatory), I don't care what other hotels want, smiling and engaging customers is part of the job (it's called the "10-4" or "10-5" rule in the industry) and failure to do so would result in termination (nothing personal, just the mandates of the position), for $8 I get exactly what the person agrees to (and in an area where minimum wage is king, there are people that'd stab their brother for $8 an hour and thirty of them a week).

P.S you only gave me one side Joe, that's all I can respond to.

Oh, don't I know it!

 

[Guest]

You sound like a schmuck Joe.

Have you ever actually told any of your employees that you don't give a fuck about them? That because you pay them peanuts they are not worthy enough to even talk to you?

They talk about you (or the company) behind your back and then you come here and cry about all the aggravation they give you?

Well to be quite frank Joe, I don't actually give a fuck about how hard you have to work for your inflated salary either, and whinging about how poorly your employees are paid and that they're not grateful to you for it smacks a little bit of pomposity and little grasp of the basic niceties (in all senses) of responsibility.

Dear Employer,

For my $8 an hour I will start work on the dot, I will also finish work, on the dot, whether that means I'm in the middle of a phone call or a conference I will finish work at exactly the time that you stop paying me my $8.

Those phone calls that don't get answered when I'm eating lunch can call some other hotel to get a room.

That guy from the other hotel who keeps on ringing me to fix his shitty computer problem that stops him from clearing a booking? He can call the software vendors at $8 a minute.

Instead of smiling and showing outward sign of interest in a customer's peripheral concerns that have exactly zero bearing on the job in hand I'll stay poe faced and zombied and give her yes or no answers.

For $8 you get a body, what you don't get is personality, charm, graciousness or concern.

Your accounting/accountants, your budgets and deficits, your bottom line is no concern of mine. I've put up with any amount of crap from any number of employees, bosses, guests and customers for 8 years, for 8 months or for 8 hours, I've earned my money and my loyalty has earned me, if not more dollars then, at least more respect than charming some accountants at interview and then demanding respect from people I've never spoken honestly to.

I can do my job sir, let's see you do yours by reducing turnover, increasing production and not making me dread waking up before I go to work.

Then, when they close this hole you can always go work for MacDonald's where they'd actually appreciate this management stylee.



P.S you only gave me one side Joe, that's all I can respond to.

i think i love you.
pretty hot and heavy coming from a lesbian.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

So, Joe, you're looking for the kind of employee who will take abuse for peanuts? Someone without enough self-esteem or better viable options to quit and find a good job? Must be a great place to work.

I am looking for (and repeatedly so, the comment earlier about hiring for labor is really apt) someone who'll do the job, exactly the job, fully the job, perfectly the job, consistently the job... and do so for what they agreed to get in payment for it. In return, they get exactly what was promised--a business relationship that pays them money for working.

The thing I love about you Joe is that you always put politics in a lay venue for the masses - I don't agree with all you say and sometimes I think you should just say it, but I understand what angle you like to attack from. and cudos.

Politics in a lay venue. : )

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Anyway, I'll retire gracefully before i embarass Joe any more.

*smeck*

 

[English Lady]

*smeck*

*runs for dictionary*

What the flip does that word mean?*L*

 

[CharleyH]

Politics in a lay venue. : )

You think thats not what you are talking about? lol

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

You think thats not what you are talking about? lol

I was a Democrat once... and then people started paying me to make money and be liable for the efforts of others to do it. I snapped out of it really quick.

Kennedy is still my hero, though

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I was a Democrat once... and then people started paying me to make money and be liable for the efforts of others to do it. I snapped out of it really quick.

Kennedy is still my hero, though

so do you consider it assimilation... or selling out?

hey, Joe, I thought you were considering giving up the whole deal and going back to school?