Eliza-beta needs a baby

[sirhugs]

If a virgin queen had trouble with succession, what is a Robot Queen to do?

 

[ElliottEden]

Thoughts swirl as do questions. Is Her Majesty ruler of biological beings - or does she rule an empire of shiny artifices as herself? And then - why does there have to be a successor? After all with a supply of spare parts and a bit of lube now and again Her Magnificence could be a truly Eternal Queen.

As long as her minions were happy with her rule. Ah and of course lubrication. So sex and politics becomes entwined, keeping the various Lords and other nobility in line... And with certain, shall we say interchangeable parts the Queen should be able to satisfy all...

Oh and she would have to be completely waterproof. Otherwise a watersports session might prove fatal - hmmm and with the power cells Her Majesty would have onboard could be a shocking experience for both parties.

 

[sirhugs]

Thoughts swirl as do questions. Is Her Majesty ruler of biological beings - or does she rule an empire of shiny artifices as herself? And then - why does there have to be a successor? After all with a supply of spare parts and a bit of lube now and again Her Magnificence could be a truly Eternal Queen.

As long as her minions were happy with her rule. Ah and of course lubrication. So sex and politics becomes entwined, keeping the various Lords and other nobility in line... And with certain, shall we say interchangeable parts the Queen should be able to satisfy all...

Oh and she would have to be completely waterproof. Otherwise a watersports session might prove fatal - hmmm and with the power cells Her Majesty would have onboard could be a shocking experience for both parties.

mmmm....lube
Is she in your view ruler of meat or fellow superior creatures?

 

[ElliottEden]

mmmm....lube
Is she in your view ruler of meat or fellow superior creatures?

In a rare bit of seriousness - why not? Following along a thought line ala Kurzweil and his bunch - as the body ages instead of adding organic organs why not replace the bits with cybernetic implants? So there might be a spectrum of all meat to no meat (oh gosh the ultimate vegan eh?) subjects in her kingdom. Allowing for even more hilarity AND a way to get past certain forms of censorship... After all, why would not a society then view bodies after a while as just another form of clothing? "Gosh, tonight dear I'm going as Raging Bull'... Is he going as a boxer or? Or is it even a him who says that?

 

[sirhugs]

In a rare bit of seriousness - why not? Following along a thought line ala Kurzweil and his bunch - as the body ages instead of adding organic organs why not replace the bits with cybernetic implants? So there might be a spectrum of all meat to no meat (oh gosh the ultimate vegan eh?) subjects in her kingdom. Allowing for even more hilarity AND a way to get past certain forms of censorship... After all, why would not a society then view bodies after a while as just another form of clothing? "Gosh, tonight dear I'm going as Raging Bull'... Is he going as a boxer or? Or is it even a him who says that?

don't they retain their brains? Or is their consciousness uploaded to a drive?

 

[LupusDei]

don't they retain their brains? Ot is there consciousness uploaded to a drive?

Upload is... tricky. Not for the technical reasons but philosophical.

Sure, the uploaded personality is the same person for everyone including the upload themselves, but not for the original. It's a copy. Even if the original body dies in the process it's hard kill and a copy, but if the two versions, biological and mechanical, coexist for any amount of time it's becoming very obvious.

It's actually just a modified version of the teleporter paradox, where it's asked if a perfect destructive copy is the same person -- "beam me up Scotty" style. The copy may never notice nor care, unless it's erroneous, but the original is dead. Given its a perfect copy, it doesn't matter, it's the same person for everyone -- except the destructively scanned old copy, but they doesn't care either as they're dead. The horror is, nobody knows how horrible the process of that scan really feels, as the reconstruction capture the moment before. So people moving around by teleportation routinely commit horrendous suicides without ever realizing.

Mechanically it's very clear.

Unless, you go into esoteric territory, and "re-bind soul" to the new body, be it biological or mechanical or anything in between, somehow.

Or, you retain the brain in a bottle. But it's not ideal. You want to extend and amend it by implanting various devices and new functionality. While neurons do actively seek to mate with compatible contacts, the hybrid situation is likely a temporary. Eventually most processing would migrate to the new hardware, and the biological components die off. Is this transition that smooth you won't even notice?

Shedding the last legacy meat may be even a huge relief. But is the surviving new body the same person either? With the slow, gradual transition there's huge temptation to say it is. It's not clear when or how the "base human" died somewhere inside the machine that goes on mimicking the original personality. So why it can't be speed on for a nice, relatively fast "upload"?

We could even trick the patient by making them conscious of both bodies simultaneously temporary. But is that just a trick?

 

[ElliottEden]

My very thin veneer of understanding in re Kurzweil and 'The Singularity' is that consciousness would get uploaded into some other construct - of whatever unobtainium that may be built from. Makes sense in a way. And with all the philosophical / moral issues inherent. Other variants in sci-fi abound - I'm partial to the 'brain box' idea used by Dietz in his stories. There is a recognized issue of the eventual breakdown of organic tissue so the person isn't immortal.

And considering Google and Open AI is finding out that it costs $700,000 a day to keep their AI going - a full upload would be extremely expensive. Probably only available to whatever THE ELITE exists for any society. So... why not a total mixed bag? Her Eternal Majesty could be an upload - along with a trusted few advisors. The rest? Brain box inserted into a whatever body could be afforded or... well. A wonderfully dystopian hellscape or paradise could exist eh?

 

[sirhugs]

My very thin veneer of understanding in re Kurzweil and 'The Singularity' is that consciousness would get uploaded into some other construct - of whatever unobtainium that may be built from. Makes sense in a way. And with all the philosophical / moral issues inherent. Other variants in sci-fi abound - I'm partial to the 'brain box' idea used by Dietz in his stories. There is a recognized issue of the eventual breakdown of organic tissue so the person isn't immortal.

And considering Google and Open AI is finding out that it costs $700,000 a day to keep their AI going - a full upload would be extremely expensive. Probably only available to whatever THE ELITE exists for any society. So... why not a total mixed bag? Her Eternal Majesty could be an upload - along with a trusted few advisors. The rest? Brain box inserted into a whatever body could be afforded or... well. A wonderfully dystopian hellscape or paradise could exist eh?

but what about the baby?

 

[ElliottEden]

but what about the baby?

Dean Koontz Demon Seed has you covered there! A bit of this - a drop of that - some waldos in the background mixing various reagents and presto chango comes out a metallic sheathed meat unit. Movie is named the same - Proteus IV was the AI and Julie Christie was the surrogate mommy. 1977 if I got it right from IMDB.

In this case - hmmmm.... well if Her Eternal Lightness had been a meat unit prior to her upgrading perhaps she had eggs placed into long term storage? Then all which remains is she has onboard semen collectors. Okay okay there can be some interesting scenes wherein the semen collection package is removed from her - then her egg fertilized in some sort of in vitro ceremony. Or does Eliza-Beta merely grasp her consorts member with her hand - perhaps she has a large collection of interesting attachments? - and milks the necessary biological material into the fertilization chamber?

More questions - since the fetus would be developing in some sort of external womb - would it be built in such a way where it then becomes a module which is plugged into Her Royal Highness? And/or is there some sort of neural hookup so the Queen can participate - digitally - in the growth of her progeny? Or does it sit upon a plinth in her throne room - a symbol of the enduring power of her line?

 

[sirhugs]

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More questions - since the fetus would be developing in some sort of external womb - would it be built in such a way where it then becomes a module which is plugged into Her Royal Highness? And/or is there some sort of neural hookup so the Queen can participate - digitally - in the growth of her progeny? Or does it sit upon a plinth in her throne room - a symbol of the enduring power of her line?

but the mental image of the robot baby bump is so enticing...