El Salvador was able to eliminate 98% of all homicides with one simple trick

[ll74]

It appears that they ARE criminals.

Based on what? The government who jails their opposition for being opposition?

 

[Rebel5soul]

Based on what? The government who jails their opposition for being opposition?

Of course you are intimately familiar with their judicial system, right?

It would seem based on the dramatic reduction in crime that they aren't "political prisoners." But we are well aware of where YOUR sympathies lie, you are a member of the party that protects illegal aliens and criminals.

 

[ll74]

Of course you are intimately familiar with their judicial system, right?

Their government is jailing political opposition...it's not a secret

It would seem based on the dramatic reduction in crime that they aren't "political prisoners." But we are well aware of where YOUR sympathies lie, you are a member of the party that protects illegal aliens and criminals.

That happens when you stop reporting crime as.well.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Well, El Salvador put their criminals in prison and now their streets are infinitely safer than they were before. Mission accomplished.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Of course you are intimately familiar with their judicial system, right?

Well, El Salvador put their criminals in prison and now their streets are infinitely safer than they were before. Mission accomplished.

 

[latecomer91364]

Good for Bukele!

 

[ll74]

Well, El Salvador put their criminals in prison and now their streets are infinitely safer than they were before. Mission accomplished.

El Salvador threw everyone in prison without cause. They are an authoritarian corrupt regime.

Problems haven't been fixed....that's always the issue with authoritarians.

 

[ll74]

Thousands of innocent people thrown in jail
https://www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject....-people-jailed-in-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown

 

[Rebel5soul]

Thousands of innocent people thrown in jail
https://www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/thousands-of-innocent-people-jailed-in-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=17641205567216&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/thousands-of-innocent-people-jailed-in-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown

Yeah, they're all innocent and really good boys.

It's shit like you posted that got PBS defunded. Anecdotal horseshit posing as facts.

 

[ll74]

Yeah, they're all innocent and really good boys.

I never said they were all innocent

It's shit like you posted that got PBS defunded. Anecdotal horseshit posing as facts.

They are facts.

You're trading safety for liberty.

The government can just grab you and throw you in jail without cause.

It's too high a price imo.

 

[PaxNurgle]

So, this is the issue. It is hard to understand what the situation was like in El Salvador, prior to the opening of CECOT, for those who never lived there. And full disclosure, I've never lived there myself.

But by all accounts, and from actually speaking with and interacting with people who did live there, the place was a violent crime ridden hellhole. Nothing like we imagine in the relative safety of a first world country. The place actually had violent ruthless gangs terrorizing people with impunity, making America's worst and most violent cities look like safe utopias by comparison. So when the government took such extreme measures, it was natural for the fearful, law abiding citizens down there to support it- now they can live freely and not be in constant fear of their lives or their own safety. (or their childrens' safety.)

So, yes, the incarceration rate there is high. But at the same time, the rate of murder, torture, and sexual violence committed by those criminal gangs was also far, far higher than in any first-world country. So yes; these people are not low level drug offenders, drunk drivers, or shoplifters here.

But II74 also has a point. Nobody wants to see currently legal activities, things that we all take for granted, become criminalized. And that is a risk of any totalitarian government, particularly the one currently in place in the United States. Nobody wants to see facilities like that house people whose only "Crime" is speaking out against the corruption and injustices being perpetrated by the government. So yes, there is both a reason to applaud the drop in violent crime- and a reason to be concerned that such a dragnet might one day encompass people who are NOT violent criminals, or even criminals at all.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Bukele - world's coolest dictator!

 

[PaxNurgle]

^We know you like dictators, Mr. Dan O'Harpee.

And quite honestly, he'd still be a better American president than Trump, but of course, he's Latino and speaks Spanish. You would probably have an issue with that.