editorial on Haiku 'rules'

[wildsweetone]

interesting read i thought i'd share.

http://athenaeum-editorial.blogspot.com/

 

[Angeline]

interesting read i thought i'd share.

http://athenaeum-editorial.blogspot.com/

It is very interesting!

Learn the haiku rules and then throw them away' is a catchphrase very popular among many non-Japanese haijin.


That sort of works for me. I think it's important to know "the rules" for any and all form poems, but also understand that the original "rules," whatever they are, may be lost in interpretations of history. And then use what you've learned as a starting point to write. When rules get in the way of good writing it's best to take one's own path imo.

 

[Senna Jawa]

interesting read i thought i'd share.

http://athenaeum-editorial.blogspot.com/

It would be interesting if it were not so impossibly wordy, which is a pity. Was it you who had directed attention of this forum to an essay titled "Ten Commandments"? Now, that one was shallow, ad hoc, on an embarrassingly low level. It's not that it was "wrong". It was without ear for sense and logic. The melodies were roughly right but the rendition was false, and the combination didn't make much sense.

When it comes to haiku, just know what poetry is. Then haiku is just a minimal poem (I keep repeating my haiku definition for the n-th time ). This combination of minimality and poetry forces haiku to be more pure that longer poems. Longer poems allow for more devices and expressions because, for instance, there may have a central issue and side comments. But this and more belongs to the other thread ("Longer poems. Angeline's question.").

"Rule", as the author of the present essay under the consideration mentions, is an unfortunate word.

 

[wildsweetone]

It would be interesting if it were not so impossibly wordy, which is a pity. Was it you who had directed attention of this forum to an essay titled "Ten Commandments"? Now, that one was shallow, ad hoc, on an embarrassingly low level. It's not that it was "wrong". It was without ear for sense and logic. The melodies were roughly right but the rendition was false, and the combination didn't make much sense.

When it comes to haiku, just know what poetry is. Then haiku is just a minimal poem (I keep repeating my haiku definition for the n-th time ). This combination of minimality and poetry forces haiku to be more pure that longer poems. Longer poems allow for more devices and expressions because, for instance, there may have a central issue and side comments. But this and more belongs to the other thread ("Longer poems. Angeline's question.").

"Rule", as the author of the present essay under the consideration mentions, is an unfortunate word.

i was laughing at your comment of how 'wordy' the editorial is... i find it funny (my warped sense of humour) that one could write so much about so little.

a great long essay on haiku, possibly the shortest poetry form created.

yes i am the guilty party for having dropped in a blog entry for everyone to play about with, regarding ten commandments. back in April '05 and yes i had to look it up to remind myself of the post.

i enjoy poetry discussions. (i learnt a heck of a lot in that thread)

your definition sounds pretty much right to me, but then, i am still learning. (but i admit i do know more now than i did in '05 ).



(i emailed you a while ago, but perhaps it didn't work.)