Ed wanted for Incest/Horror sht. story.

[Teenage Venus]

The story is approx. 8,000 words in the form of a suicide letter to her villagers.

The basics are of a handicapped teenage virgin, dying of a tumour who wants to lose her virginity before she dies. She gets Daddy to help out.

Things don't go as planned. The tumour regresses, she gives birth in secret.

Other circumstances, including that her mother is being released from a mental institution, and she has been enduring sex with the postman because he caught her and dad at it, and the baby is physically deformed, and mentally a 'cabbage', leads to her taking drastic action.

It is very loosely based on real events surrounding the death of a thalidomide girl over forty years ago.

It was rejected on here presumable as she was sixteen!

Any offers of help appreciated.

 

[Teenage Venus]

Editors???????????

Thanks for nothing, guys.

I guess the other unlucky requestors think the same.

 

[again]

I could do it

If it's not too late, I'd be happy to help.

 

[Teenage Venus]

If it's not too late, I'd be happy to help.

Thanks for the offer, however, it is based on a true story. I think it would bear no resemblence to the actual story if it were to be cut, altered and edited to be acceptable on here. I fear it would end up as a bit of make-believe more suitable for the Catholic Herald, or Women's Realm.

Offer appreciated anyway.

 

[spyro1123]

well...

You gotta play by the rules that are given, no one under 18, it must be readable, it cant have too many glaring errors. Aside from that there are not realy any other qualifications. It certainly doesnt have to be good.

You might have an argument to make if it were a true story but as it is only based on a true story anyway, changing the characters age a couple of years would hardly change the overall theme of your story.

I am sorry you had a negetive experiance good luck with your story.

 

[Teenage Venus]

You gotta play by the rules that are given, no one under 18, it must be readable, it cant have too many glaring errors. Aside from that there are not realy any other qualifications. It certainly doesnt have to be good.changing the characters age a couple of years would hardly change the overall theme of your story.

Thanks spyro. I accept the rules, so ain't complaining. I DO think it often limits postings, and can change a story completely by changing ages artificially to comply.

How many acts of incest for instance are between over-18s? maybe point zero, zero, five percent?

How much 'first-time sex' REALLY occurs after 18+?, maybe 5%? I could go on... my own preference is for realism in stories. I also think again that beastiality is reasonably rife in some quarters, but that is obviously taboo - though it's fine if the gal gets stuffed by a mythical goat, lol. Pathetic to me. That's just a personal opinion.

It just seems sad that ADULT sites have to (or feel the need to) set unrealistic boundaries - whether to comply with law, or personal preferences.

If this is to protect children, they should start reading current best-selling children's books in usa or uk, in the CHILDREN'S LITURATURE sections, to see that EVERY single restriction placed on posters in adult sites are broken. (You may like to read the current 'censure' thread in AH to see that.) The top place book currently includes incest, savage rape, a parson that is a pedo, and murders his victims, sex between grade 9, 10, A, pupils, for starters. The kids love them, and leave 'Harry Potter's' for their parents, ha, ha.

IN MHO restricting to 18+ merely places a censure on what adults can post and read, NOT CHILDREN. When one has choice to block an author, and a description of story/poem contents is given, plus a complaints button, then in my view, that gives members a choice to choose.

The webmasters set the rules, they get the money for running the site. I wish them every success - it can be a hard job.

My actual point is that - just maybe - their members miss out on extra stuff they may like to read.

Before posting on here, I tested the waters by both reading, and later sending six seperate stories in mixed pairs to ten different wellknown authors/readers, on here for comments. ALL comments returned were both favourable, enthusiastic, and encouraging. with the exception of one. All asked for me to post more, or offered to check any others, with one exception.

A typical responce was:"Wow, these are really great, get posting and send me some more."

As, from that general sample, 90% approval was shown, but all have to date been rejected or not approved for posting, it would possibly indicate that the great majority of members do get censored from reading a large portion of material they would not only find acceptable, but enthuse over.

It is an observation, not a critique. Webmasters lay the ground rules and apply them. Members stick to the censures imposed, or don't get posted...... whatever: kids will not be protected - just adults censured.

And may I say I'm not in favor of obvious paedophilic pictures etc. or other material being allowed - just realism rather than upping an age limit to over 18+, when sex is perfectly legal way under this age in virtually every country in the world. And in the VAST majority, one can marry at the age of 16, or well below that age.

Just me, I guess. I was always for reading stories that were believable.

There are many good stories on here that are between consenting 18+ adults.

An author changing an age to an unrealistic artificial 'over 18', or changing one of the persons into some goblin or demon to make it 'legal', I see as laughable, hypocritical, and pathetic.

Authors tailor their material to suite the editor if they want to get paid. I do that with my children's stories and my adult material.

If I'm NOT being paid - but others gain from my postings - I ensure that the material is to my readers' preference.

If that does not get them posted, that is 'tough titty' on the readers. They can always read some on one of my adult sites, if they locate them.

PS: Please do not em or pm for my adult site URLs. I WILL NOT REPLY. They can be found via usual searchengine search.

 

[cantdog]

Teenage Venus

The editors here are writers, doing the service for people absolutely free for nothing. Frequently the recipient resents you a bit when you do it, too. It's not all roses in any case, since you do have to deal with some shit writing.

But we take it on, as we can, between or work, our writing, and our real lives, because, like teachers, we know that it is important. Important that literacy continue, in a larger sense; and nicer if the stories going up at least are proofread once. God.

I am interested in the initiations to sex, too. You have no market for it on this site.

What the fuck? nobody said the site was going to act as a universal market.

There are other places less stringent, and some that are post-as-you-are, which contain mountains of dreck for every gem, and most gems very much in the rough. We at least try to do better here.

But only if the site did pay would the quality be consistently good, and you would likely have been rejected anyway, as would I. See my first story if you don't believe me, and then compare it to some of the fabulous work that is posted here.

That isn't what the site does. It gives you an outlet for your voice to be heard, and it can be a very useful learning experience if you will only let it.

If you ever go on to write, you must consider the market, and write to it. As a lone voice spewing forth story, imagining that "your readers" exist out there somewhere, you will have to stay on the 'net or self-publish.

This is not a market for child enslavement stories. Deal with it. Rather than cripple up stories which, lo and behold, derive most of their punch from the underage heroine's hairless twat, you should instead try your hand at writing fresh material which is about the lives of grown people in their sexual prime.

If you simply try to edit the age of little susie up to eighteen and leave her still helpless before the enormous physical presence of her depraved uncle, you will find the effort frustrating, yes; more accurately, though, it is pointless.

This is not the market for little susie. Write something for this market if you want it to accept your work. Find a more congenial outlet for little susie and leave her at ten years of age.

You say the benefit of your writing goes to the site; you are being used. I could at this point callously suggest you hit the road, secure in the knowledge that you won't be used if you don't fall into our clutches. But I submit that you must see some benefit to appearing here, or you wouldn't be feverishly crippling up little susie stories.

In fact, the real benefit of Lit. lies in the community of other authors and hacks who are here. We teach each other all the time, improve each other, help each other, read each other, edit each other. Do not attempt to convince me that you couldn't use some help of this kind. That help is also free, and we are being "used" when we give it.

Is some of this getting through? Service is an ennobling attitude, whereas selfishness is puerile. Stay. Serve. Write, and, in time, edit and proofread, teach and help others as so many of these amazing people are already doing. I recommend it over complaining of censorship (here of all places,when the censorship comes from the wacko fundamentalists and the fascistic government) and leaving in a huff because the service in this reataurant is slow.

You have had your rant, both here and more usefully by far, in the other thread on the AH. Good rants. Now dust your hands and get down to work.

You will be welcome, mostly, and used gently, mostly, if you are willing to participate in something.

cantdog

 

[Teenage Venus]

cantdog.

You say the benefit of your writing goes to the site; you are being used. I could at this point callously suggest you hit the road, secure in the knowledge that you won't be used if you don't fall into our clutches. But I submit that you must see some benefit to appearing here, or you wouldn't be feverishly crippling up little susie stories.In fact, the real benefit of Lit. lies in the community of other authors and hacks who are here. We teach each other all the time, improve each other, help each other, read each other, edit each other. Do not attempt to convince me that you couldn't use some help of this kind. That help is also free, and we are being "used" when we give it.

Is some of this getting through?

Just to take a couple of points:

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: I intended to point out that I would expect to write work I was seeking payment for to be what the editor would buy.

If I were writing, but not seeking payment, I would write with the intent of putting the readers' preferences first. These two do not always run parallel.

I also intended to convey that, if on any particular site, a story was rejected, and it would mean so much hacking as to change the thing completely, I would not do this. Each site has its own criteria, I accept that, and don't have any problem with it.

My gripe as such - and it is a general one - is that it seems sad to me that many so-called ADULT SITES feel it necessary to impose certain restrictions on postings which appear to me to be for want of a better word 'hypocritical'. To me, having to use a mythical beast or being (which everone knows is actually portraying an actual beast or human), to carry out a particular action, so the story is 'legally' acceptable by law or webmaster, is hilariously pathetic. Ditto with say incest, where participants have to be 18+, when again, most people know that just a tiny fraction of incest involves two adults.

Basically I'm saying I'm against politicians or others in power, imposing censorship on what an adult can read, write, say, paint, or most anything else, providing the same adults have a clear warning of the contents, and a free choice to NOT view/read etc. if they wish. And always providing it is not harming others.

That last, of course, opens another can of worms, and 'corrupting children', is a great bandwaggon for politicians and religious groups to hitch on to.

As - from my own little experience - children are more savvy in most things than many give them credit for, whether a child reads about a 17 year old having sex, or and 18 year-old having it makes not a jot of difference. Neither will it if they don't read about it: nature will take its course.

My experience of adult sex is minimal at barely 19. My knowledge of sex under that age of my own, and my contemporaries - between themselves, and with adults - is more extensive. Hence I write on what I know about. If that don't suite, that is fine. I would not attempt to sell rolls of dress material to a butcher without my tongue in my cheek, lol.

Getting back to the other half of the site: You say - "In fact, the real benefit of Lit. lies in the community of other authors and hacks who are here. We teach each other all the time, improve each other, help each other, read each other, edit each other."

- I could not agree more.

In the short time I've been here I've met some great characters. I have had some great banter, I've received super support, and I've received some excellent critique.

I know what a little bitchy sod I am. I know what a self-opinionated hussy I am. I know I tend to take the roll of 'Devil's Advocate', regularly. I am and do this because of two main reasons:
1/. Life is hard for some of us born out of wedlock, and no silver spoons in our mouth. We soon learn how to survive, or go under.

2/. I find that being a bit bitchy and contrary at times helps me find out much more about people in a shorter time. I also get put straight on different things pretty smartly by those I ruffle the feathers of.

3/. I normally learn something of value from those I upset. In turn, I hope I give them cause to re-think at times. (Whether it changes their view is less important than that they are happy with their view after re-thinking.)

I don't make many friends, I make more than a few enemies. Mostly I catch up quickly on a sadly neglected and almost non-existant education. I'm a quick learner. I appreciate ALL help I receive, and accept praise and admonishment in the spirit given.

I try to be a good friend: I think I would not like to be my enemy.

Put another way; I'm still an unruly kitten. I look for a lot of love, but expect a clip round the ear if I scratch. Handled correctly, I will probably end up a full-grown cat. (But be aware that cats each have their own personalities, and a mind of their own. Unlike dogs, they seldom succumb to a lead, or trot humbly behind their master.)

Thanks man for your help

 

[cantdog]

Kindly meant; kindly accepted.

Your points about the silly workaround on bestiality and pedophily are well taken.

Grotesque. But whatever, they do it. It does make is blessed difficult to work in the realm you have the best handle on.

Frankly, that is my favorite realm, too. Not the dogs, but the young people. Dogs I could care. Training them to walk tightropes or ride bicycles is repugnant to me, anyway. If they fuck you, you are of a lower rank in the pack hierarchy than they are, and you will have difficulty getting them to obey. It's pretty strange, dog fucking. Doesn't seem worth a story, but it must be, they write ones about winged dogs and doglike demons all the time.

But back to the point. My original Weasel story, the cat was fifteen. I was able to recast, but it loses crediblility a bit. Camel Toe Incest, the kid was fourteen or fifteen, I forget, because I wrote it expressly for a particular customer who wanted one with dad/dau incest and some force.

For here, I make her eighteen, but for me, the thrust of the story is essentially a pedophile tale, and they should probably have rejected it. It doesn't parse well for an eighteen-year-old to act that way, either. I don't think the reader is fooled, either. I think he or she re-casts the kid mentally to a younger age when they read it.

Your tumor kid could probably gain two years; the one I have of yours you need her to have been criminally young at the beginning of her enslavement, in my view. You are really stuck with some pre-teen age for that to be the case. The monstrous things she commits upon his person are not justified unless his depravity is also monstrous.

It's a problem. I recommend you check out "Artemis Bathing," a story by Lucifer Carroll, a Nude Day story. Excellent, if a little challenged for pacing occasionally. A fascinating voyeur tale. And about as underage-fantasy as you can get, but so well done as to slip completely through the net for such things. That is a lesson in the way to do it.

If the sex your Dreamchild suffers is simply referred to to drive the plot, AND if the story is compellingly well written, so that the editor wants to find a way to get it up on the boards, then you can retain the girl's history of preteen sex slavery.

If you included graphic scenes from that era of her life, of course, even if you wrote like Stevenson or Kipling you would be rejected here.

I liked the original better in some ways than the new version, and the new better in others. It's been a complex task and my family had a rough weekend.

I'm back to it, but I hate to take more than 72 hours at one of these. Please forgive me.

cantdog

 

[Teenage Venus]

Thanks Cantdog,
As usual, your info is very helpful and gratefully received. That you took any time out at all to help, more than convinced me to stick around.
Candida