Easter conundrum.. which is worst, the Holocaust or abortion? and the Papal view is?

[hobbit.]

UK Cardinal Compares Abortion To Nazi Eugenics

27/03/2005

Reuters
Britain's most senior Roman Catholic has compared abortion to the eugenics of Nazi Germany, in comments which seem certain to push the issue back up the political agenda ahead of a widely expected general election.

Writing in the Sunday Telegraph newspaper, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor criticised abortion, euthanasia, embryo selection and embryonic research.

"In all these cases, the terrible truth is that it is the strong who decide the fate of the weak," wrote Murphy-O'Connor, leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.

"Human beings therefore become instruments in the hands of other human beings. That way lies eugenics, and we know from German history where that leads.

"We are already on that road: for what else is the termination of 6 million lives in the womb since the Abortion Act was introduced, and embryo selection on the basis of gender and genes."

In drawing attention to the 6 million abortions carried out in Britain since the practice was legalised in 1967, the cardinal appeared to be making a deliberate comparison with the Nazi massacre of nearly 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

His comments echoed those of Pope John Paul, who in his recently published book "Memory and Identity" described abortion as a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.








just a question really.

 

[phrodeau]

"That way lies eugenics, and we know from German history where that leads."

No, we don't. The Nazis tried to carry out a eugenics program, but they were not successful.

The only way this could be true is if a eugenics program resulted in Nazism. It was the other way around.

 

[overthebow]

"We are already on that road: for what else is the termination of 6 million lives in the womb since the Abortion Act was introduced, and embryo selection on the basis of gender and genes."

If life begins at fertilization, the union of egg and sperm, and if the termination of that life is an abortion, then God is the biggest abortionist in the universe because somewhere around 20% of all fertilizations terminate with a miscarriage, often in the first weeks, resulting in what the woman thinks is a very heavy period. It could be as high as 25% of first pregnancies.

 

[Mistress Lady X]

The Coil (IUD) allows fertilisation but not implantation. As does the mini pill which is progesterone only. I don't know about implants and patches.

 

[YinandYang]

If life begins at fertilization, the union of egg and sperm, and if the termination of that life is an abortion, then God is the biggest abortionist in the universe because somewhere around 20% of all fertilizations terminate with a miscarriage, often in the first weeks, resulting in what the woman thinks is a very heavy period. It could be as high as 25% of first pregnancies.

Amen

 

[woody54]

If life begins at fertilization, the union of egg and sperm, and if the termination of that life is an abortion, then God is the biggest abortionist in the universe because somewhere around 20% of all fertilizations terminate with a miscarriage, often in the first weeks, resulting in what the woman thinks is a very heavy period. It could be as high as 25% of first pregnancies.

God has demonstrated his mismanagement and idiocy widely in real life so should never be used as a gold standard of good performance.

Isn't it interesting how it is religious based moralists that are trying to restrict the lives of others and , more specifically, the quality of life of others by invoking their mythology based dogma.

Nazi eugenics is merely another tragic mass extermination that is evidenced throughout man's history, it is only the scale that shocks, when for example we can sit and watch the news from Sudan at breakfast without even raising an eyebrow or missing a mouthful.

It is all in the packaging.

 

[Fallen5of7]

Non-partisan

By no measure do I support what atrocities the National Socialists commited during WW2 but in the same statement I do believe in eugenics as a betterment of the human species. Animal husbandry is a very well established science and one wonders with what is learned about genetics and the passage of disabilities from parent to child and further should such considerations be worthy of the same application.

 

[overthebow]

By no measure do I support what atrocities the National Socialists commited during WW2 but in the same statement I do believe in eugenics as a betterment of the human species. Animal husbandry is a very well established science and one wonders with what is learned about genetics and the passage of disabilities from parent to child and further should such considerations be worthy of the same application.

Given the fact that there are far fewer genes in the human genome than was first anticipated (based on observable differentiation), I don't think that applying animal husbandry to the homo sapiens species is a good idea. There are diseases and disabilities that have been identified by the presence or absense of a protein and the malformation of the gene that creates that protein. But in try to select for or against a certain trait, we could also be selecting for or against something we have not even identified.

 

[ma_guy]

By no measure do I support what atrocities the National Socialists commited during WW2 but in the same statement I do believe in eugenics as a betterment of the human species. Animal husbandry is a very well established science and one wonders with what is learned about genetics and the passage of disabilities from parent to child and further should such considerations be worthy of the same application.

The problem with eugenics in general is that to get to that "betterment of the human species" you have to exclude people from procreating based entirely on someone's entirely subjective measure of "better" and in doing so you basically invite actions like the Nazi's committed.

 

[The Mutt]

The way to improve the species is for fucking morons to stop fucking morons.