Duke it out thread

[Raven_Timothy]

There is never a good thread to have what may or will become a heated discussion. Most threads are about lounging. To much "collateral damage is being done to bystanders who want nothing to do with this kind of discussion.
Here it is! Your angry about something someone said put it here. You don't like a word someone used pm the person and invite them to come here and talk it out. I would prefer that you do so as mature adults, No cheep shots, Stick to the subject, that sort of thing. That being said I'd rather see a " mud slinging contest here than in a lounge that people may consider home.

And so that it is public knowledge. I have been a part of some of those discussions. For my part in any persons how were upset or hurt in other threads, let me apologize here. Here and now publicly. I am sorry.

 

[prettyserpentine]

tosses a white glove at Raven

Have at thee!

 

[Raven_Timothy]

tosses a white glove at Raven

Have at thee!

Swords, pistols, or rock paper scissors?

 

[Raven_Timothy]

tosses a white glove at Raven

Have at thee!

Speaking of which... I stand corrected about Chinese people to a point. Aren't Scottish females simply referred to as Scots? And not Scotsman?

 

[prettyserpentine]

Swords, pistols, or rock paper scissors?

I shall fight you with my rapier, Wit!

 

[prettyserpentine]

Speaking of which... I stand corrected about Chinese people to a point. Aren't Scottish females simply referred to as Scots?

Both sexes are just referred to as Scots. Scots, Scottish, Gaels, Celts, there is a plethora of names for those of us with a tartan heritage.

 

[Raven_Timothy]

I shall fight you with my rapier, Wit!

But I do not wish to fight with anyone. And your tongue may be to sharp for my poorly educated spelling and wit.

However if you would like to talk...

 

[prettyserpentine]

But I do not wish to fight with anyone. And your tongue may be to sharp for my poorly educated spelling and wit.

However if you would like to talk...

Of course! I was thinking of making my own little corner of the Lounge, because I've missed some of my Inn friends, but it's super being able to make new ones too!

I was reading a book on mythology the other day, it wasn't Norse, it was Celtic, and I was thinking about you. My brain was like: "Raven was a nice gent..."

 

[Raven_Timothy]

You are very kind malady. So my question about what is and is not still goes unanswered. If a Scot identified himself as a Scotsman, I can or can not call him that. I'm american history it was for a time used poorly. I have been corrected for using the term lady. "You know that lady has a name" true but if I don't know that name am I expected to run over and ask? I can say captain with all the destain my body can hold. And that would make the act wrong. But at what point dose the word change from respectful to disrespectful without vocal inflection?

 

[prettyserpentine]

You are very kind malady. So my question about what is and is not still goes unanswered. If a Scot identified himself as a Scotsman, I can or can not call him that. I'm american history it was for a time used poorly. I have been corrected for using the term lady. "You know that lady has a name" true but if I don't know that name am I expected to run over and ask? I can say captain with all the destain my body can hold. And that would make the act wrong. But at what point dose the word change from respectful to disrespectful without vocal inflection?

If you don't know a lady's name, you simply introduce yourself, and say something along the lines of "I don't believe we've met..." The question is in the inflection. But manners and social etiquette are things that have changed vastly, even in just the last twenty years.

As for your point about the words changing from respectful to less so, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I'm a firm believer in social interaction. Someone's heritage, whether it be Scottish, English, American or Martian, shouldn't define a person's character.

As an Irish woman, and a Northern one at that, I'm often defined by where I'm from, and it's not very nice. "Ooh you must be a terrorist..."

Eh, no. Total pacifist here. I'm a lover, not a fighter. But sometimes I'm just not very good at conveying that in my tone, as has been seen on the forums before...

blushes

 

[Raven_Timothy]

It is hard for me to describe but I will try. I am a soldier as a such I fallow lawful orders from those "above me". When I respond to a given order it is required that I use that person's rank as a sign of respect. How ever if I think its a bad order but still "lawful" I am required to respond and comply. If I were to use a hostile tone it becomes an insult. Even though the words yes sir or yes Captain are not by themselves. So my argue meant is that a words interpretation is based on how it is used in a region, the tone, and the origin of the word itself. There are words I do not use because they were invented to be derogatory. Then there are words that have been used that way but, are not used that way where I live. And there are words that are not disrespectful at all until they are used as such. If you called a Korean a Japanese person, I hope they are very forgiving. It is a major insult still today.
As for my that lady comment I should have used full context. I have said " you see that lady over there by the door. She should know where to find that." The full picture was that I was asked a question in a store. The person I was referring to was an employee who was not in a uniform and did not have a name tag on. I knew she was an employee because she greeted me when I first entered. The person who ask me the question only saw the color of the shirt I was wearing and assumed that because it was the right color that I worked there.

 

[Raven_Timothy]

Having had the chance to talk to you I might describe you as a pretty lady or woman but not just that Irish girl.

 

[prettyserpentine]

Ooh I like 'that Irish girl'. I shall make that my new title. And yes, you're right actually. I am a pretty lady. I'm totally gorgeous actually. It all comes from within.

laughs

And just for the record, the person in the store who asked you the question was a little rude if they assumed you were a co-worker. I hope you corrected them. I worked in retail for years and was always astounded by how sharp people are with shop assistants.

Our family has quite a strong services connection so I totally understand what you mean. My father was in the Army and my uncles were in the Navy and they'd tell us stories of what happened if you addressed an officer with the wrong tone. It can be used in everyday life. God, I remember when I was a teen a rarely addressed my mum without a sarcastic tone. Sarcasm is like my go-to manoeuvre, I have always been sarky.

At the end of the day, words, especially in their written form, can be taken in any number of ways by any eyes that alight upon them. I could read something in a totally different context than someone else. But that's the beauty of people, no two are exactly alike.

smiles

Everybody has an opinion, good or bad. Opinions are what entice arguments, discussions, conversations. Albeit bad ones, or good, and the unfortunate thing is that on a public forum such as this it's all too easy to take things out of context. But, y'know, political correctness is political correctness. I mean, I'd be offended if someone called me a mick or a paddy. Last time it happened when I was in Manchester at a pub, the offender got my icy stare good and proper. He also got a good dose of my rather eloquent and finely tuned opinion on his social judgement based on an accent.

Needless to say when he offered to buy me a drink as an apology, I told him to stick it up his ass. In Gaelic. It was quite hilarious.

 

[Raven_Timothy]

And here I thought Micky was a mouse at Disney. And you are right about people that's why I made this thread. So they can argue, discuss, what have you here. In hopes of it being polite. But not in places where it is undesired.

 

[prettyserpentine]

Nah. I believe if you have something to say that could cause offence or that's meant for one person, PMs are your friend. Forums like this attract too many prying eyes.

 

[prettyserpentine]

On another note, I'm glad you have a thread of your own, because it means I can still talk to you without having to PM you like a stalker.

 

[cgraven]

Recently I was called a racist for a post at the The Old China Pearl Inn

………….I call as the ancient China-man carries the blushing Miss away for a night she is sure to remember…………..

Yet this offended party did not address his concerns to me via PM or any other means but rather chose to accuse me of racism in another thread in the SRP Lounge section.

To be called a racist by someone is a choice meant to slander and to hurt the accused. He could have said insensitive, ill advised, or such language is hurtful to others in this public forum but instead he deliberately chose to call me a racist, and once tarred with that brush there is nothing I can say or due to defend myself. And for some here at Lit that stigma will always be attached to me.

 

[prettyserpentine]

I don't understand why you got lumbered with it, CG, as I pointed out in the thread previously. You weren't the first person to use the term regardless. You've never been anything but courteous with me, and those who know you also know that. Don't worry about what people think, if they don't take the time to get to know you and make presumptions based on misused words, then you shouldn't feel like you've missed out on anything.

I always find it's the opinions of people who care about you that matter, and a lot of people do care about you.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

And to show how wrong that was, you go into a different Lounge thread and say I called you a racist, without PMing me or referring to me directly.

Okay.

But even in this, you are wrong on two points.

First, I never said you were racist. The term you were/are using is racist though, yes. You don't even seem to deny this, but instead just try to hide behind the setting of a thread that is never strictly followed to begin with. That is no kind of defense at all. It does not remove the derogatory nature of the term. If you truly want all to be welcome at the Inn, I would think you would want to avoid using terms that an entire racial group (and, indeed, a term used to describe people of Asian descent when their specific race was not apparent, which may be even worse) finds offensive. But maybe I'm wrong about you wanting it to be welcoming to all.

Second, you'll note that I was not the one that mentioned you specifically, and in fact I made it clear that you weren't even the first person I saw use the term. Maybe you missed that, and so I'm saying it here again for your benefit.

For you to sit here and play the victim card when you are the one using a racial slur is astounding, however. You are not the victim. You are not the one who has been slandered.

 

[cgraven]

Check your Inn box Sir.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

Check your Inn box Sir.

You sent me the same exact thing you pit here, after you put it here. Okay, I guess.

Everything I just said still stands.

 

[cgraven]

You Posted

We all know that "Chinaman" is pretty goddamned racist, right?


And you claim that is not accusing someone of being a racist.....really!

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

Do you even realize it's a racist term? You don't seem to, still.

 

[cgraven]

You are the individual that hangs around the lounges of so many sights on the internet. You see yourself as superior. You through out accusations and then sit back and watch the results, so sanctimoniously above the fray.

You pull the pin on a grenade toss it and then piously say Well I did not mention anyone’s name…….at least publicly…. Not my fault

I believe you enjoy the chaos your comments create.

 

[ObscureInsanity]

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