Drugs

[GforGraham]

Lot of talk about ages in stories, what about use of drugs. Being a really old stick in the something, is it ok for lit stories to have illegal drugs used. In some stories have noticed they needed them before sex, and I do not mean viagra.
Should the use of illegal drugs be banned in stories the same way underage sex is done. Ok if say it happened in the past, but cannot be happening in current time in story.
Eg
I have used E in the past.
Not
I swallowed my little E pill to help me cope.

I know lambast me. I am not that old amd grew up in the sixties and seventies. You'd think these kids today invented 'sex, drugs, rock n roll'.

 

[sr71plt]

I haven't put drugs in many of my stories, but when I have there has been no trouble getting the stories posted.

 

[NotWise]

I know lambast me. I am not that old amd grew up in the sixties and seventies. You'd think these kids today invented 'sex, drugs, rock n roll'.

I think you may be among your peers.

Alcohol is a drug, frequently used and frequently included in stories. I have not a clue what Laurel's policy may be insofar as other drugs are concerned. You could write a story and find out.

 

[JKendallDane]

I have included pot in several stories without a problem. I think with the exception of the uber-crazies that still believe 'Reefer Madness' is actually a valid PSA about marijuana, most people see a toke now and then as nothing worse than an after work cocktail or glass of wine with dinner.

I do have a plot bunny about a young gay street hustler that will be including cocaine (both crack and powder) and a variety of pills, but doubt if it will be any kind of problem with Laurel either since it is crucial to the plotline in displaying the depth of addictions of one of the protagonists.

I would avoid anything that seems to be glorifying heavy duty drug abuse...but that is more of a personal standard than anything Lit has as a set rule about. JMNSHO and YMMV.

 

[GforGraham]

I consider drug usage an absolute turn off, and stop reading any story that has it. May start giving 1 star instead of ignoring.
I am sure that there are websites for writers of drug use stories, this site is for erotic sex. How could drugs be ever considered remotely sexy or erotic. You lose your self with drugs, there is never any gain.
These days am a complete wowser, cannot even have alcohol, gave up smoking. Only one thing left and time keeps marching away on that one. Now I sound like one of those grumpy old men, time for a bowl of worms. Hmm bolognaise saice this time, yummy.

 

[sr71plt]

You don't choose what can be posted to Lit. Laurel does. You don't have to read anything that you don't want to here.

Your question was whether stories that included drugs were accepted here. The answer is yes.

I'm not big on drugs myself, but I include them in some of my stories and they go through here without a problem. You don't have a vote in this.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I have several stories around a fictional drug which I'll loosely call a date-rape substance, except far more effective. It's a more evil drug than mere date rape, in that it makes women very willing instead of just compliant. (One story presents early trials with the drug and doesn't examine the ethics very much. The other shows vast cultural changes due to the drug's widespread sale, and the setting is dystopian as a result.) In the second story, women both willingly and unwillingly use the drug and in one case a variant is used to screw someone up very badly and for the long term. Bad people doing bad things.

Lit didn't raise a peep. Let's face it, the site embraces non-con, incest, pain, and all manner of dark or destructive sexuality. Drugs are a so-what in comparison.

 

[RejectReality]

Wow.

How anyone who writes here can think it's acceptable to 1-bomb a story over a single plot element just baffles me.

I consider drug usage an absolute turn off, and stop reading any story that has it. May start giving 1 star instead of ignoring.

 

[Hypoxia]

I include legal and illegal drugs in a number of my stories. I do not glorify heavy drug use; my one depiction of a junkie is not kind. The OP question is like earlier queries about crime in LIT stories. Yes, we depict crimes, including capital offenses like kidnapping and murder. All we may NOT depict are 1) underage sex, 2) bestiality, and 3) sexual snuff and mayhem, as per LIT's rules. Illegal drugs ar only another aspect of human life. Use with discretion.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

As the only drug of choice is coffee and alcohol, I don't include anything but the occasional drink in my stories. As far as my reality in my stories are concerned there are no drugs, other then those prescribed by a doctor.

 

[GforGraham]

so illegal drug use is ok

Yes i am well within my rights to post my feelings towards any story for including what I consider harmful and detrimental behaviour. Some above in this thread consider their ideals better than mine and are happy to tell me I am wrong for my beliefs. I am not telling you to stop including illegal drugs in your stories or your lives. Just do not expect everyone to roll over and do or say nothing about it. You have published your story here for people to read, make comment about, and rate it with a score. So it is my right to do just that. So do not tell me I am wrong as that makes you as wrong as me.
If I do not like a story I will stop reading it. If I feel strongly enough about the story I will comment and/or rate it. If I enjoyed it then a good score it gets, if not then a not so good score does it will get. So what, my own stories get these as well.
It is my belief that if you need drugs to enjoy life then do something to actually improve it. I can have thoughts and beliefs like you can. If this makes you feel bad about yourself then I am sorry for you.

Now my rant is over I feel so much better. Who needs therapy when you can have this.

 

[RejectReality]

There's a big difference between expressing your views and sabotaging someone's story as a means to do so. Expressing your view is protesting. A 1-bomb is throwing a molotov cocktail through the front window.

 

[Weird Harold]

It is my belief that if you need drugs to enjoy life then do something to actually improve it. I can have thoughts and beliefs like you can. If this makes you feel bad about yourself then I am sorry for you.

So you are opposed to anyone writing a villainous and truly despicable antagonist who uses drugs and/or engages in other sorts of self-destructive behavior?

 

[GforGraham]

There's a big difference between expressing your views and sabotaging someone's story as a means to do so. Expressing your view is protesting. A 1-bomb is throwing a molotov cocktail through the front window.

A 1 bomb is from someone anonymous who makes no attempt to read and goes directly to the stars to hit whatever one they want. Remember friends can do the same with a 5 bomb. I have never done anything anon here on this site. Why bother as nobody knows me anyway.

Funny how in a serious rant about the use of illegal and dangerous drugs this scoring shit is picked up.

Besides did I say I would give 1 star, no. It was an option open to me. In some stories I read that the drug use was more important than the eroticism. Does this not rate a low score?

 

[GforGraham]

So you are opposed to anyone writing a villainous and truly despicable antagonist who uses drugs and/or engages in other sorts of self-destructive behavior?

Now we will get to go through hundreds of what ifs.
I will try to clarify my rant on drugs.

I read a story issued recently and a main character voluntarily took ecstacy in about the third paragraph. I hate drug use of this type and to be started so early then I can only assume drug use is the most important thing in this story. They had not even thought about sex before the drugs started. I stopped reading it for this reason.

It is fine if the site allows drug use, just don't expect me to agree.

A meglomaniac intent on controling all the sex world using a drug is far different to getting high on drugs for recreational purposes.

Recreational drug use is too real for me and provides nightmares. Besides do people really think continually taking something like ecstacy or cocaine is going to improve their sex life into the future, well maybe when you have to find the money to pay for it.

I am a prude and posted another thread somewhere listing some of my don'ts. Just put me on your ignore list and we will get on just fine.

 

[Hypoxia]

Maybe I need to add to my essay set, expanding from WHAT IS CHEATING? and WHAT IS INCEST? to WHAT ARE DRUGS?

We have popular semi-regulated addictive substances like tobacco, alcohol, sugar, fat, gunpowder; prescription and over-the-counter meds; herbal 'supplements'; illegal and semi-legal mind-altering brews; hormones and strange chems embedded in our foods; unregulated coffee, cocoa, and tea products; and I've probably missed a few.

A little analysis of wastewater reveals what people ingest -- and it's a LOT of shit. Why ignore that for story purposes? Let's forget everything but mind-altering drugs, legal and illegal. Animals and insects get high on the right plants. People get stoned. People have gotten stoned for a long, long time. Some researchers link the rise of human intelligence to imbibing magic mushrooms, ergot fungus, and similar hallucinogens. Getting high is a human tradition. Of COURSE it belongs in fiction!

I've written stories including a magical batch of pot that induces telepathy and heightens libido; a brew of chemicals that kept a guy wasted, hard, and spewing for many more hours than he wanted; a woman who ruined her life with heroin; and an LSD-fueled orgy. I don't think I glamorized anything. People consume chemicals. Live with it.

 

[GforGraham]

I do live with it, every damned day.
Today I posted a rant on it, I didn't do it yesterday and probably won't do it tomorrow.
Funny how I let many things go by to the keeper (catcher) but when I occasionally say something everyone gets offended.
I don't give a rats toss if you write about drugs, or use them. I just do not want to read a out it. My preferences, my opinion, my option.
You have your guiding principles, I have mine.
Sometimes I cannot keep things bottled like good little sheep. Yes it gets me in the poo all the time.

 

[RejectReality]

I watched drugs destroy most of my childhood friends. Two of them are dead as a direct result of it. One ODd, and the other was shot by another junkie. Another jumped out of his car at a routine traffic stop, fled into the woods, and hasn't been heard from in two years.

I don't like reading stories where drug use is glorified either. It hits way too close to home to find anything pleasurable in the story.

I'd still never drop a 1-bomb on a story because of it, or even consider it as an option, because I know the damage a single 1-vote does to a story. If it's a constant thread running through the story, there's even less reason to do so than if it's dropped on you halfway.

Suffice to say that considering it as an option is going to leave you without much sympathy from other authors when someone blasts your work.

 

[Handley_Page]

I consider drug usage an absolute turn off, and stop reading any story that has it. May start giving 1 star instead of ignoring.

Yes, you may. But I ask you to consider the following.
1] This is a board for writers of erotica, and we put our stories out for others to read in the hope that, [a] it gives some pleasure in the reading, we gain knowledge as authors as to how to write a better story from 'constructive' feedback.
2] 'Constructive' feedback does not, I think, include behaving like a mindless troll.

As many of the stories state; 'if you don't care for it, look elsewhere'.

Wow.

How anyone who writes here can think it's acceptable to 1-bomb a story over a single plot element just baffles me.

Quite!

There's a big difference between expressing your views and sabotaging someone's story as a means to do so. Expressing your view is protesting. A 1-bomb is throwing a molotov cocktail through the front window.

And just as pointless, IMO.

I do live with it, every damned day.
Today I posted a rant on it, I didn't do it yesterday and probably won't do it tomorrow.
Funny how I let many things go by to the keeper (catcher) but when I occasionally say something everyone gets offended.
I don't give a rats toss if you write about drugs, or use them. I just do not want to read a out it. My preferences, my opinion, my option.
You have your guiding principles, I have mine.
Sometimes I cannot keep things bottled like good little sheep. Yes it gets me in the poo all the time.

Perhaps you might consider being a little more careful of wording in your 'rantings'.
For example, your guiding principles should [perhaps] be essentially private, not blasted all over the board like so much advertising or even proselytising like a TV evangelist.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My parents used drugs and alcohol a lot, and I tried drugs in the early 70s. But I get no pleasurable effects from drugs or alcohol. Morphine makes me indifferent to pain but it does shit if I feel okay. Nothing happened on LSD. Pot and hash are like smoking a cigarette. So I have no sense of how drugs affect most people. I mean, I saw how drugs affected my patients, fresh from collisions with the cops, but I didn't envy them. If I used drugs in a story it would be to depict encounters with cops, where 3 big cops tote a large naked woman to the seclusion room for restraints.

 

[Hypoxia]

I read a story issued recently and a main character voluntarily took ecstacy in about the third paragraph. I hate drug use of this type and to be started so early then I can only assume drug use is the most important thing in this story. They had not even thought about sex before the drugs started. I stopped reading it for this reason.

So you didn't finish the story and thus have no idea whether the drug use was later shown to be self-destructive?

I recall the film ALL THAT JAZZ. The Bob Fosse character was an unscrupulous womanizer who started every day with a jolt of illegal stimulants. Bad man... and later we see the first on-screen presentation of open-heart surgery, showing that his amphetamine-alcohol-nicotine-fuckfest lifestyle was Not A Good Idea.

Sometimes drug stories are morality plays.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I was trained in psychology and brain pathology, and have an understanding that's different from many. I don't buy Freud's construct of personality. What I buy is a construct of a central train station that manages whatever comes along. Some of it leaves the station as is, plenty goes into the dumpster. Drugs change the rules for what leaves the station. And that's their purpose. They stop things and let things thru.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I consider drug usage an absolute turn off, and stop reading any story that has it. May start giving 1 star instead of ignoring.
I am sure that there are websites for writers of drug use stories, this site is for erotic sex. How could drugs be ever considered remotely sexy or erotic. You lose your self with drugs, there is never any gain.
.

Hm. On the one hand I'm a big fan of people speaking out about things they find unethical or even just repulsive, as long as they are not anonymous about it. So it's hard for me to complain about someone leaving a 1 on a story as long as they leave a non-anon comment explaining why. I don't do this myself - if I did, I'd "one" every incest story and some non-con on ethical grounds, every GM story because I find that repulsive, etc.

On the other hand... I've talked to women who find the date-rape drug scenario deeply erotic as a fantasy (even while hating it as a real practice). (Many women find non-con in general hot, as long as it's a fantasy and it's the right male doing it.) And I've read stories where drug use was intended to make a bad-ass character seem more macho - big black dude gets his hands on a pretty white ice queen, slaps her around, makes her snort cocaine, and does her hard, etc. It does nothing for me but again I know women who groove to that kind of thing. G, you might not like the subject but how can you fail to see that other people do?

Geh. I'm coming down on the side of saying G's got every right to drop a one on a story he finds unerotic and unethical, even if I think he's being unreasonable by not understanding there's a broader appeal to some subjects than he appreciates. I mean drugs do fuck people up. And if I ran across an otherwise decent story with a scene of a guy doing a girl on top of a pile of rotting garbage, I might well give a low score and a comment as well because seriously, thanks for ruining the moment, author. Maybe one man's pile of rotting trash is another man's cocaine.

Scoring is useless anyway. Some people will 5 anything that repeatedly hits their fetish no matter how badly written. Some will 2 anything written by a given author. There are voting cliques here that 5 each other's stories. The idea of scoring a story on literary merits and deep insights is total fiction.

Meh, let's face it, lots of readers think like G and score based solely on their personal kink getting stroked or ignored; how else do you explain the crap writing that permeates kink stories, getting so many reads and high scores. 5 means "I came" and 1 means "you ruined my high" and no how authors want it otherwise, that's reality.

 

[lovecraft68]

I used coke and Heroin in SWB along with heavy drinking because the female lead was an addict. I feel I showed the darker side of it rather than glorifying it and that it fit the story.

Otherwise I've used coke in a couple of stories and pot once or twice, but in a recreational party sense.

The site has no issue with it that I can tell.

And I agree with RR that it sucks someone will bomb a story simply for encountering something they don't like. Can't say it hasn't happened to me, but I simply click off, I don't drop a bomb.

But I can get the frustration of a device that can show up in any story.

If you don't like incest or non con or GM or whatever you can stay out of those categories and avoid it, but something like drugs can be in any story so I guess it causes a knee jerk reaction to some.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Lot of talk about ages in stories, what about use of drugs. Being a really old stick in the something, is it ok for lit stories to have illegal drugs used. In some stories have noticed they needed them before sex, and I do not mean viagra.
Should the use of illegal drugs be banned in stories the same way underage sex is done. Ok if say it happened in the past, but cannot be happening in current time in story.

I'm boringly straight-edge about drugs. Never smoked, rarely drink even alcohol or caffeine and that sparingly, never used anything illegal, don't even like to use prescription painkillers more than I absolutely have to. I generally find it boring or uncomfortable to be around people who are drugged (including alcohol).

So my tastes are fairly close to yours on this one. But I think banning "illegal drug" content would be a really bad idea.

For one, it'd be inconsistent with the site's general approach to depiction of illegal activity. We have at least five categories devoted to activities that are illegal in parts of the world (NC/R, Gay, Lesbian, BDSM, Loving Wives) plus a heap of crime drama etc in other categories. We do have the ban on under-18 sexual activity but this is an exception to how illegal activity is generally handled.

For another - What do you mean by "illegal"? Or "drugs", for that matter?

tl;dr real-world drug laws are a gigantic illogical hypocritical complicated mish-mash, so basing site rules on them would also be a gigantic illogical etc etc.

Longer version: In Bhutan it's illegal to grow or sell tobacco. Alcohol is illegal in several Islamic countries; historically, some have banned coffee.

Some drugs are legal on prescription, with varying degrees of control, e.g. heroin as a very effective pain medication or for addicts. US law on peyote has an exemption for Native American religious use.

Many drugs used to be more widely available than they are now. There was nothing illegal about Sherlock Holmes shooting up with cocaine. Heroin was legal in Australia until around the 1950s or 60s. Marijuana was legal in the USA for many years until it got tangled up in racial politics, and now the pendulum is swinging back towards legalisation.

Then there are the new synthetic drugs that aim to mimic the effects of illegal drugs but aren't yet illegal, because chemists come up with new formulations faster than authorities can add them to the forbidden list, and trying to draft legislation broad enough to cover all drugs leads to embarrassment ("so why DO we have an exception for alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and nutmeg?")

Then there's sci-fi and fantasy. If a magic potion has the same effects as opium, if a Space Succubus secretes pheromones that mimic the effects of ecstasy, what do we do with that?