Drudge is reporting that the London Times

[SINthysist]

Has an article claiming the Saudi's paid Bin Lauden NOT to attack Saudi Arabian targets and that the money then went towards establishing terrorist training camps.

You Brits are still up.

What's the buzz, tell me what's a happenin'...

 

[Lasher]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk

 

[Lasher]

Wow, looks like the pricks make you register to actually read the damn articles.

 

[SINthysist]

Thanks Lasher, but the registration screen locked me up...

Got some C&P?

 

[SINthysist]

And I refuse to register.

I hate that trend, plus I now have to PAY to read The South China Morning Post!

Fawking Capitalists!

 

[MissTaken]

Please!

Do tell!

Where is our resident Brit with the lates "breaking" news?

Good morning, SYN!

 

[SINthysist]

Good Morning!

Story must be an exclusive, I am finding no mention of it.

But, if true, would be pretty much in line with how our allies behave towards us...

 

[bored1]

Has an article claiming the Saudi's paid Bin Lauden NOT to attack Saudi Arabian targets and that the money then went towards establishing terrorist training camps.

You Brits are still up.

What's the buzz, tell me what's a happenin'...

Morning SIN......I saw the Drudge headline lastnight, but couldnt access the site to read the article........When it is all said and done, we will see that our "friends" the Saudis provided more than 15 of 19 hijackers.

 

[MissTaken]

True enough.


Just a question from a tired lady who hasn't had enough coffee this morning?

If we attack Iraq, does that mean our efforts to find OBL are lessened in any way?

Personally, I think Iraq is a political maneuveur on the part of GWB.

Go finish Daddy's unfinished work and regain support?

 

[SINthysist]

OBL is dead. (IMHO)

Saddam still considers himself at war with the United States and his harbouring our enemies (witness Nidal).

He does need to finish his Dad's business this is true.

But I do not think this is political.

Ironically p_p_man may be correct in assessing George as a "simple" man. This "simple" man read the truth of what is going on and decided, as any real American would, that we have to get this bad man before he destroys many thousands of lives, maybe even the world as we know it now should he be able to reach out and mortally cripple Israel.

 

[SINthysist]

Yes bored1. It seems we need to watch our allies as closely as our enemies...

 

[bored1]

True enough.


Just a question from a tired lady who hasn't had enough coffee this morning?

If we attack Iraq, does that mean our efforts to find OBL are lessened in any way?

Personally, I think Iraq is a political maneuveur on the part of GWB.

Go finish Daddy's unfinished work and regain support?

I do not believe that the motivation to attack Iraq is to finish Dads unfinished work, I do believe that the powers that be have information not available to the general population that details Saddams activities regarding his weapons programs and his support for terrorism. I also believe that OBL is dead. Off to get my morning coffee!

 

[MissTaken]

Thanks, you guys.

I was just wondering what your take was on it, as I am embarrassed to say, I don't follow the blow by blow.

Sadaam is good riddance, any day, any time, we have always had reason enough.

And yes, the allies seem to be a fickle lot.

This is my ignorance speaking, but sometimes, I think that being the greatest world power and protector is tiresome and as far as protecting?

There are times you have to let the kids squabble, and times you shouldn't.

 

[SINthysist]

I favor a retreat to isolationism.

What I hate is the EU bragging about what an economic power they are while we foot the bill for the world's defense.

I say if they want to have that much say then they, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians can ALL get together and police everything outside of North and South America. We'll just take care of our turf and try to hold our part of the world together.

 

[bored1]

I favor a retreat to isolationism.

What I hate is the EU bragging about what an economic power they are while we foot the bill for the world's defense.

I say if they want to have that much say then they, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians can ALL get together and police everything outside of North and South America. We'll just take care of our turf and try to hold our part of the world together.

Because the cost of the EUs social programs are so high there will never be enough money to fund the developement of a proper defence force comparable to the US. I agree with you SIN perhaps a temporary retreat to isolationism would be a good thing.

 

[SINthysist]

Just militarily.

The President should still be out there running his mouth...,


... with the best of them!

 

[bluespoke]

From the Sunday Times, today.

Saudis paid Bin Laden £200m
Nick Fielding



SENIOR members of the Saudi royal family paid at least £200m to Osama Bin Laden’s terror group and the Taliban in exchange for an agreement that his forces would not attack targets in Saudi Arabia, according to court documents.
The papers, filed in a $3,000 billion lawsuit in America, allege the deal was agreed after two secret meetings between Saudi royals and leaders of Al-Qaeda, including Bin Laden. The money enabled Al-Qaeda to fund training camps in Afghanistan later attended by the September 11 hijackers.

The disclosures will increase tensions between the United States and Saudi Arabia. An analyst at the influential Washington-based Rand Corporation think tank recently told a Pentagon briefing that Saudi Arabia was the “kernel of evil”.

The documents, based on investigations by lawyers for the September 11 victims and hitherto unpublished information from intelligence agencies, shed light on Al-Qaeda’s funding, naming the Saudi royals and detailing the network of charities and businesses through which Bin Laden raised money.

According to the lawsuit, the Saudi princes were deeply worried over attacks by Islamic fundamentalists on American servicemen at a US army training facility in Riyadh in November 1995 and at the Khobar Towers barracks in June 1996, in which 19 US airmen died.

They feared Bin Laden’s men, who had recently relocated to Afghanistan from Sudan, would attempt to destabilise the kingdom because of their opposition to the presence of US troops. They therefore decided to come to an accommodation with the terrorist leader.

The court documents say the first meeting was in 1996, when Saudi princes and business leaders met in Paris and agreed to give funds to Bin Laden’s organisation. Saudi Arabia’s secret service, the Istakhbarat, had already decided in late 1995 to fund the Taliban, then based primarily in religious schools in Pakistan.

A further meeting in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in July 1998 led to the deal between Saudi Arabia and the Taliban. Those present included Prince Turki al-Faisal al-Saud, then chief of the Istakhbarat, Taliban leaders, senior officers from Pakistan’s ISI secret service and Bin Laden.

Turki knew Bin Laden well, not just through family connections but because in the early 1980s he had hand-picked the young Saudi to organise Arab volunteers fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

According to the documents, the agreement stated Bin Laden would not use his forces in Afghanistan to subvert the Saudi government. In return, the Saudis agreed to ensure that requests for the extradition of Al-Qaeda members and demands to close Afghan training camps by third countries were not carried out.

To reinforce the deal, the Saudis agreed to provide oil and financial assistance to both the Taliban and to Pakistan. The documents detail donations totalling “several hundred millions” of dollars.

The lawsuit also alleges that the Saudi royal family has supported charities with close ties to Bin Laden, including a $6m gift from the Saudi defence minister, Prince Sultan, to the International Islamic Relief Organisation, al-Haramain, the Muslim World League and the World Assembly of Muslim Youth.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I have often thought a nce repreive into a temporary 2-5 year isolationism.

Militarily and financially and any other food type aid would be well in order.

Watch what would be in order if the might and strength of the US didn't hold things together the way they have been.

Just take care of her own borders interests, prevent anything from getting in that is harmful, feed her own porr, destitute and homeless, educate her own illiterate. and screw the rest of the globe, keep a good defense up though to screw those who realize what a mistake it was to let her go as a friend

 

[fgarvb1]

The trouble with isolationism is that the terrorist will still come over here and kill and maim a lot of people.

They hate our way of life. They are not going to stop and we have an interest in stopping them.

Then there is Iraq. How long will it be before asshole gets the balls to to attack Israel? Thats when Israel will nuke the S.O.B. not that i'm against it if he and his cohorts were the only ones killed, but you know that is not what will happen. The shit will be in the wind then.

In the mean time he will be doing everything he can to suppress his people and fuck up everyone else in the world.

His mentor was Hitler... you know what to expect.

 

[SINthysist]

Yes, but they will attack Europe as well!

(I love old Longshanks!)



Thanks Blues. The more people truly understand our allies, the more likely we will get to the truth of terrorism. The Wahabbi (sp?) sect.

We need to take out Saddam, the Saud's, and turn Mecca into a controlled little place like Rome...

So isolationism is not practical, I agree, just what I would like to see. I know we must do the right thing and I argue here for taking out Saddam (and more!).

But in my heart, I don't want to deal with it. Just raise crops and God willing a family...

 

[SINthysist]

Once again, you can get it first at Lit!

Who needs anyother site!

Now if Todd would just get back to C&Ping Boortz, everything will be back to normal and we'll have all the information and commentary at our fingertips...

 

[Myrrdin]

The Times also claims that Abu Nidal , the notorious Palestinian terrorist was shot a few weeks ago,on the orders of Saddam Hussein after plotting with the Kuwaitis to topple the Iraqi leader.

Abu Nidal organised the Lockerbie bombing on the orders of Colonel Gadaffi of Libya, as reprisal for the American bombing of Tripoli in which Gadaffi's adopted daughter was killed. (This followed the bombing of a Berlin night club in which two soldiers were killed)
The bomb was timed to go off while the Pan Am 747 was over the Atlantic, but it exploded over the Scottish town of Lockerbie due too a delay in the flight taking off.

 

[SINthysist]

I saw a conjecture this A.M. that Osama bin Lauden was in Bahgdad!

 

[Weird Harold]

I saw a conjecture this A.M. that Osama bin Lauden was in Bahgdad!

Would even Saddam be that dumb?

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Good morning everyone! Another fine day in paradise. <Switching on Jimmy Buffet...a little too early for a marguarita though>