Down with ObamaCare! I want the same health insurance that Congressional GOPers get.

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As soon as members of Congress are sworn in, they may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). The program offers an assortment of health plans from which to choose, including fee-for-service, point-of-service, and health maintenance organizations (HMOs). In addition, Congress members can also insure their spouses and their dependents.

Not only does Congress get to choose from a wide range of plans, but there’s no waiting period. Unlike many Americans who must struggle against precondition clauses or are even denied coverage because of those preconditions, Senators and Representatives are covered no matter what - effective immediately.

And here’s the best part. The government pays up to 75 percent of the premium. That government, of course, is funded by taxpayers, the same taxpayers who often cannot afford health care themselves.

More Health Care Perks for Congress

And the Congressional perks don’t stop with the FEHBP. According to the article “Health care as good as Congress gets,” by John Barry, a staff writer for the St. Petersburg Times, “Members of Congress have their own pharmacy, right in the Capitol. They also have a team of doctors, technicians and nurses standing by in case something busts in a filibuster. They can get a physical exam, an X-ray or an electrocardiogram, without leaving work.”

Although members pay extra for these services - Representatives pay about $300 per month, and Senators about $600 - taxpayers end up kicking in another $2 million. That’s $2 million not being spent on those who need it.
House and Senate’s Health Care Legacy

Despite the services that members of Congress receive at the taxpayer’s expense, they’ve done little on behalf of those who cannot afford or cannot get health care. The Oakland Tribune article “Congress’ wild health care ride” (January 7, 2008) reports that Congress’ attention is instead focused on the financial well being of pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

To illustrate this point, the article states that, according to the Medicare Reform Act of 2004, Medicare is prohibited from negotiating with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices. However, not only is this negotiating power available to governments in other industrialized countries, it’s also similar to the power granted to the FEHBP, which itself is permitted to negotiate premiums and prices.

It's true that the U.S. Congress is talking up health care reform, but members of the House and Senate - both Republicans and Democrats alike - take millions of dollars in contributions from the health sector, which includes health providers, insurers, and pharmaceutical companies

In the meantime, millions of Americans are receiving inadequate health care, and millions more could lose their health insurance at any time. Those who’ve managed to maintain their insurance have seen their rates go up and their deductibles rise. Many end up medically bankrupt. Yet throughout all this upheaval, one thing has remained steady - the health care coverage afforded members of Congress. If they’ve proven nothing else, they’ve shown taxpayers that they know how to take care of themselves.
 
Hey why the title implying just the GOP get's the insurance, the Dem's get it too. You sure aren't unbiased are you. Actually the GOP tried to add an amendment to ObamaCare to include Congress critters in the plan but the Dem's voted it down. So get your story straight before you make accusations.
 
Hey why the title implying just the GOP get's the insurance, the Dem's get it too. You sure aren't unbiased are you. Actually the GOP tried to add an amendment to ObamaCare to include Congress critters in the plan but the Dem's voted it down. So get your story straight before you make accusations.
I am biased. And it is not a lie to say that the GOP, while trying to add that ObamaCare amendment, are in fact enjoying the same Government health insurance perks that they do not want normal Americans to have. Nothing I said was factually wrong.

If the GOP really believed in cutting Government they would sign off their Government-supplied health care and go private.
 
I am biased. And it is not a lie to say that the GOP, while trying to add that ObamaCare amendment, are in fact enjoying the same Government health insurance perks that they do not want normal Americans to have. Nothing I said was factually wrong.

If the GOP really believed in cutting Government they would sign off their Government-supplied health care and go private.

Sure, and if the Dem's believe ObamaCare is so great they should be the first in line to sign up...give me a break...I don't see any dem in line to switch.
 
Sure, and if the Dem's believe ObamaCare is so great they should be the first in line to sign up...give me a break...I don't see any dem in line to switch.
And I don't see any GOPer in Congress willing to give Americans the same health care plan that they have.

Aren't you guys the party of Less Government Spending? :rolleyes:
 
Here in Florida all politicians get free health insurance, as do most teachers. Everyone else, public employees, have to pay. The pols also get a real American person to talk to, and the person's only clients are pols.

The teachers are ready to riot cuz some school districts want them to pay a small fee to help pay for the health insurance.
 
And I don't see any GOPer in Congress willing to give Americans the same health care plan that they have.

Aren't you guys the party of Less Government Spending? :rolleyes:

Me, yes I am but I'm not a republican. And the GOP hasn't been the party of less for a whole bunch of years. :rolleyes:

Nor do I see any Dem's willing to give Americans the same plan.

We could argue silly shit like this all day and we are both right...the current and past administrations don't give a crap about the people they represent. The Congress surely doesn't care what happen to you or me, only the power they wield. They are stupid enough to think they can tax America to death and spend it on anything they want as long as they, the political class, gets what they want.
 
Nor do I see any Dem's willing to give Americans the same plan.
You have not been paying attention then. There are a whole bunch of them. They rolled out amendments for single-payer systems, public options, extending Medicare to a buy-in program, and yes, offering the FEHBP setup for all Americans. Among other progressive solutions.

But conservative Dems put their foot down, and the end result was the lowest common demoninator.
 
You have not been paying attention then. There are a whole bunch of them. They rolled out amendments for single-payer systems, public options, extending Medicare to a buy-in program, and yes, offering the FEHBP setup for all Americans. Among other progressive solutions.

But conservative Dems put their foot down, and the end result was the lowest common demoninator.

That's not the same plan that the congress critters have...not by a long stretch. No matter what you think or say you think the congress critters have a federally funded (taxpayer money) all inclusive plan that denies them nothing, all paid for 100%. So tell me what plan those liberal dems were proposing that was like that? Oh I don't have to pay a dime to see anyone I want for medical treatment, nor to I pay no more than what I normally due in taxes to get it.
 
That's not the same plan that the congress critters have...not by a long stretch. No matter what you think or say you think the congress critters have a federally funded (taxpayer money) all inclusive plan that denies them nothing, all paid for 100%.
Which includes the Republicans, who screamed and protested about giving something even CLOSE to that to American citizens.
 
Which includes the Republicans, who screamed and protested about giving something even CLOSE to that to American citizens.

Yeah that's it, giving...why is it always give, give, give with you people...how about earning it for once. You know medical insurance isn't a right guaranteed by any law, but you want and think you have a right to it through the government. How quaint. Take your bullshit and make some fertilizer then go out a buy you own insurance like everyone else.
 
Yeah that's it, giving...why is it always give, give, give with you people...how about earning it for once.
Exactly. So why are we giving Congressional Republicans FREE HEALTH CARE?

Can you answer that? Or do you want to keep dodging?

You know medical insurance isn't a right guaranteed by any law, but you want and think you have a right to it through the government. How quaint. Take your bullshit and make some fertilizer then go out a buy you own insurance like everyone else.
Everyone else? Uhm, WRONG. Republican Congressmen and Senators don't buy their own insurance, dumbass. Do I need to spell that out for you in crayon and sing some Teletubbies theme songs to make it sink in, you fucking hard headed freak!

I hope there's a civil war in this country. Between the blacks and the Mexicans we'll clean your kind out of here and put this country on the correct track for once.

We'll actually join the rest of the CIVILIZED WORLD, which uses SOCIALIZED health care. That's the ENTIRE civilized world, you inbred ASSCLOWN. Ever wonder why nobody wants America's piece of shit health care system? Because it SUCKS.

Now fuck off and die. And take your club footed FAMILY with you.
 
That's not the same plan that the congress critters have...not by a long stretch. No matter what you think or say you think the congress critters have a federally funded (taxpayer money) all inclusive plan that denies them nothing, all paid for 100%. So tell me what plan those liberal dems were proposing that was like that? Oh I don't have to pay a dime to see anyone I want for medical treatment, nor to I pay no more than what I normally due in taxes to get it.
No that IS the plan the congresscritters have.

Congressmen are federal employees. Their employer (the government) provided a health insurance deal, as employers do. Just like the goverment and tax payers pay for their, you know, salary.

This deal is called FEHBP. Exactly that, the FEBHP, was one of the things that some Democrats wanted to offer to other people who were not federally employed.
 
No that IS the plan the congresscritters have.

Congressmen are federal employees. Their employer (the government) provided a health insurance deal, as employers do. Just like the goverment and tax payers pay for their, you know, salary.

This deal is called FEHBP. Exactly that, the FEBHP, was one of the things that some Democrats wanted to offer to other people who were not federally employed.
*sigh* You and I both got suckered into trying to educate that fool...
 
Exactly. So why are we giving Congressional Republicans FREE HEALTH CARE?

Can you answer that? Or do you want to keep dodging?

For the same reason that the Democrats get it...you figure it out, Liar did.


Everyone else? Uhm, WRONG. Republican Congressmen and Senators don't buy their own insurance, dumbass. Do I need to spell that out for you in crayon and sing some Teletubbies theme songs to make it sink in, you fucking hard headed freak!

I hope there's a civil war in this country. Between the blacks and the Mexicans we'll clean your kind out of here and put this country on the correct track for once.

We'll actually join the rest of the CIVILIZED WORLD, which uses SOCIALIZED health care. That's the ENTIRE civilized world, you inbred ASSCLOWN. Ever wonder why nobody wants America's piece of shit health care system? Because it SUCKS.

Now fuck off and die. And take your club footed FAMILY with you.

Well as usual when confronted with the truth the liberal mindlessness will resort to name calling. Can't defend your position, call them names to deflect the truth. Mindless blathering about nothing.

And how does the health "care" system suck. I will wager that America has the best doctors and nurses in the world. We also have the best facilities in the world. So tell me why you think it sucks without calling anyone names.

Now the insurance system that everyone wants "for free" is a pipe dream thought up by the political class to appease the masses.

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

and

"You get what you pay for."

Should be the watch words of the masses. You think the healthcare system is bad now...it's about to get far worse than even your feeble little mind can imagine.
 
No that IS the plan the congresscritters have.

Congressmen are federal employees. Their employer (the government) provided a health insurance deal, as employers do. Just like the goverment and tax payers pay for their, you know, salary.

This deal is called FEHBP. Exactly that, the FEBHP, was one of the things that some Democrats wanted to offer to other people who were not federally employed.

My mistake...you are right that is their plan and how much does that plan cost the American taxpayer now? Now how much will that plan cost if the entire country was covered?
 
"You get what you pay for."

Should be the watch words of the masses. You think the healthcare system is bad now...it's about to get far worse than even your feeble little mind can imagine.
The Europeans, Canadians and British get far better service from their system than we get from ours. Which is why absolutely no one, anywhere, wants any part of America's system.

Idiot. You're a serious case study in learning disabilities.
 
The Europeans, Canadians and British get far better service from their system than we get from ours. Which is why absolutely no one, anywhere, wants any part of America's system.

Idiot. You're a serious case study in learning disabilities.

Still all you can do is call people names!

Tell me, give me proof, of how, European, Canadian and British healthcare is better than American healthcare.

Then once you have...move there if you don't like living here.

As for people not wanting to come here for medical care, why is it I always read stories about European, Canadians and British coming to America for medical treatment that they can't get at home? As of today I have never read a new story about and American going to one of those systems for care.

And you call me an idiot. All you can do is make accusations without basis or foundation.
 
As for people not wanting to come here for medical care, why is it I always read stories about European, Canadians and British coming to America for medical treatment that they can't get at home? As of today I have never read a new story about and American going to one of those systems for care.

Americans increasingly travel abroad for procedures they can't afford here in the U.S. They go because they either can't afford insurance and need an expensive procedure, or they have insurance but insurance won't cover it, or won't cover enough. (The term is "medical tourism" and it's actually a worldwide industry, it's not an exclusive phenomenon to the U.S.)

http://financialedge.investopedia.c...-Can-Americans-Go-for-Cheaper-Healthcare.aspx
http://www.surgicalpatientsafety.facs.org/news/medicaltourism.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1196429,00.html
https://www.healthbase.com/hb/pages/medical-tourism.jsp

And so on.

Incidentally, I have (had?) a co-worker who recently moved back to Canada because he can't afford medical care for his children here.
 
... As of today I have never read a new story about and American going to one of those systems for care.

Apparently, Zeb, you need to read more. Or find more balanced sources from which to educate yourself on current events. I hardly watch any TV at all, and even I saw a piece recently on Mexico's medical tourism industry.

http://www.health-tourism.com/mexico-medical-tourism/

And you call me an idiot. All you can do is make accusations without basis or foundation.

Now that we have basis and foundation for calling you an idiot, would you like to accept the honor? A speech would be nice, especially if you could include the part about how the rain forests are expanding. :D
 
My mistake...you are right that is their plan and how much does that plan cost the American taxpayer now? Now how much will that plan cost if the entire country was covered?
You are asking how much federal and state employees' health insurance costs the tax payer? I dunno. It's probably a hefty sum. But you know what? It's part of their employment contract. Just like your employer pay for your health insurance if you work for a private company.

Are you saying that federal and state employees should NOT get health insurance through their jobs like so many others do?

The proposal was of course not to PAY for insurance via FEHBP for the general public with tax money. The proposal was to allow private employers and citizens who are not insured via their job to access the FEHBP insurance options at market price. It's not a charity, it's a market place, a way to access a multitude of insurers and plans. Thus forcing insurers to compete more actively with price and services.
 
We tried something locally that worked well while it lasted.

We passed a Penny sales tax increase to fund medical care in the county; all you needed was proof of residency to access medical care and dental care. No charge. If you insisted on using health insurance from work, more power to you. But free care was available.

The county created clinics at all the community centers, and staffed them with MDs, RNs, and LPNs. If your problem was beyond the resources of the local clinic you went to the general hospital first.

BUT! And there's always a big but in every noble endeavor, the CEO of Color for the general hospital depleted all its cash and went begging at the County Commission. GIVE US ALL YO MONEY AND MO MONEY AN WE'SE GWINE TAKE CARE OB DEH PEEPLES FO FREE!

So they gave the CEO $158 million dollars of tax money from the medical care tax, and dat wuz deh end uf duh free treatments fo deh peeples. Nowadays deh hospital mens wanna know WHAZZ EN YO WALLET, SUCKA?

We still have the tax, though.
 
You are asking how much federal and state employees' health insurance costs the tax payer? I dunno. It's probably a hefty sum. But you know what? It's part of their employment contract. Just like your employer pay for your health insurance if you work for a private company.

Are you saying that federal and state employees should NOT get health insurance through their jobs like so many others do?

The proposal was of course not to PAY for insurance via FEHBP for the general public with tax money. The proposal was to allow private employers and citizens who are not insured via their job to access the FEHBP insurance options at market price. It's not a charity, it's a market place, a way to access a multitude of insurers and plans. Thus forcing insurers to compete more actively with price and services.

Yes my employer provides access to a policy or several which I choose one, by they don't pay for it completely, there is a portion...up to 50%...that I have to pay for. There are employers that require you to pay 100% of the policy "premium". But I have yet to be employed where the employer paid 100%. Except while I was in the military service. But then I was a government employee and in the military it socialized medicine. The only choice I had was to go to the base dispensary or hospital for treatment. I could have gone to a civilian doctor, but I would have had to pay out of my pocket all the charges.
 
Yes my employer provides access to a policy or several which I choose one, by they don't pay for it completely, there is a portion...up to 50%...that I have to pay for. There are employers that require you to pay 100% of the policy "premium". But I have yet to be employed where the employer paid 100%. Except while I was in the military service. But then I was a government employee and in the military it socialized medicine. The only choice I had was to go to the base dispensary or hospital for treatment. I could have gone to a civilian doctor, but I would have had to pay out of my pocket all the charges.
I wonder why Zeb responded to Liar, but seemed to totally avoid these points:

Americans increasingly travel abroad for procedures they can't afford here in the U.S. They go because they either can't afford insurance and need an expensive procedure, or they have insurance but insurance won't cover it, or won't cover enough. (The term is "medical tourism" and it's actually a worldwide industry, it's not an exclusive phenomenon to the U.S.)

http://financialedge.investopedia.c...-Can-Americans-Go-for-Cheaper-Healthcare.aspx
http://www.surgicalpatientsafety.facs.org/news/medicaltourism.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1196429,00.html
https://www.healthbase.com/hb/pages/medical-tourism.jsp

And so on.

Incidentally, I have (had?) a co-worker who recently moved back to Canada because he can't afford medical care for his children here.

Apparently, Zeb, you need to read more. Or find more balanced sources from which to educate yourself on current events. I hardly watch any TV at all, and even I saw a piece recently on Mexico's medical tourism industry.

http://www.health-tourism.com/mexico-medical-tourism/
 
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