Don L'Orange and his mail order whore

[jaF0]

President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have both requested mail-in ballots for the upcoming Florida primaries despite the president's frequent criticism of mail-in ballot systems in the U.S., USA Today reported.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-after-railing

 

[rae121452]

it's rigged 'except in florida', don't you know. and i'm starting to like melania better after finding out that she refused to move into the white house unless the donald renegotiated her pre-nup.

 

[SpeareChucker]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-after-railing

They are requesting absentee ballots which is far different
from "mail-in" ballots.

Furthermore, I don't think President Obama
went to the polls either.

It would be disruptive to the voters.
I think all modern Presidents vote absentee
since they are usually busy in Washington instead of
being in their home state. Certainly no one expected that
President Obama would fly to Hawaii to vote in his home precinct...

Sound logical to you?
I would hope so...

 

[adrina]

They are requesting absentee ballots which is far different
from "mail-in" ballots.

Furthermore, I don't think President Obama
went to the polls either.

It would be disruptive to the voters.
I think all modern Presidents vote absentee
since they are usually busy in Washington instead of
being in their home state. Certainly no one expected that
President Obama would fly to Hawaii to vote in his home precinct...

Sound logical to you?
I would hope so...

No they're not. As someone who has done both mail in and absentee, they are the same.

Obama isn't railing against mail in voting while casting an absentee ballot.

 

[jaF0]

Nor did he deliberately try to slow the mail service by shutting automated sorting machines down just ahead of an election.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Yes, you are conflating the drive to make all voting mail-in with absentee balloting.

Here's the difference:

Absentee balloting requires an applicative process
whereas the advocated mail-in balloting would
be no more than a mass mailing of ballots;
a shotgun blast that will exclude some
and include others who should not
be voting and allow people to
steal and submit ballots
fraudulently.

It would require an up-to-date database of eligible voters
and their current residences and that is not
a probable set of circumstances.

This is not the proper methodology to make every vote count.

From NBC:

...

The request to vote remotely as a Palm Beach County, Florida, resident was confirmed Thursday night by White House Deputy Press Secretary, Judd Deere.

"The President supports absentee voting, not universal mail-in voting, which contain several safeguards that prevent fraud and abuse," Deere said by email....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...oting-trump-requests-absentee-ballot-n1236714

 

[adrina]

No. You are following your hate down your usual road.

The mail in ballots are from the voter rolls. They aren't from the general population or the phone book.

Do you know what the application process is in Florida?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Do you understand that in most of the States, the voter rolls are outdated?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/l...ets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf


Every vote should count, right?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...r_inaccurate_voter_registrations__142089.html



You need to show up in person and present identification.
Voting is not a right, it is a privilege.

Absentee ballots are for when this is simply not possible
but mail-in should never be considered because
"it is convenient."

 

[adrina]

Do you understand that in most of the States, the voter rolls are outdated?

Yes and they always are and always will be. I know that doesn't go with the voter fraud narrative but that's the truth. The voters rolls are ALWAYS out of date. Every day. Because people have birthdays and die. Every day. That's the reality.

It doesn't mean there is massive voter fraud.

Now, once again, do you know what the application process entails for Florida?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Okay, we don't have massive voter fraud under the current system.



Don't fix what ain't broke especially when
the "fix" might be more open to manipulation.

 

[adrina]

Voting is not a right, it is a privilege.

I just wanted to quote this. I can't believe an American said this. You sound like you belong in a very different country. One far more dictatorial and autocratic.

 

[adrina]

Do you know what the application process is in Florida?

I think you forgot something slick.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I just wanted to quote this. I can't believe an American said this. You sound like you belong in a very different country. One far more dictatorial and autocratic.

Prove that it is a right.
You can't, because it is not.
If it were a right, we could not deny anyone the "right" to vote,
but there is at least one class of people that have abdicated that privilege...

There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees that you get to vote.
Or did you not know that as a good, educated and politically aware American?

 

[bellisarius]

Prove that it is a right.
You can't, because it is not.
If it were a right, we could not deny anyone the "right" to vote,
but there is at least one class of people that have abdicated that privilege...

There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees that you get to vote.
Or did you not know that as a good, educated and politically aware American?

It seems that the belief is that if you say something often enough it becomes fact.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I think you forgot something slick.

No.

That is not applicable to the discussion.
President Trump was not just automatically sent a ballot by the State, now was he?

Florida:

Request your mail-in ballot with a mail ballot application.
Fill out the application completely.
Submit the request to your local election office. You should request your ballot as far in advance of the election as possible. The deadline to request a ballot by mail is (received by) Saturday, October 24, 2020.
When your ballot arrives, read it carefully and follow the instructions to complete it and return it.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It seems that the belief is that if you say something often enough it becomes fact.

It's more in the vein of,
if you believe it to be a fact,
then it is, in fact, a fact...

There is not one mention of an individual's right to vote
enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

 

[FGB]

When I first came here one needed asbestos underwear and a flame thrower.

This was required dress.

Now a rubber wetsuite is needed and a hammer because unless the lefties and trolls silence you, one pisses against the wind a great deal and kills idiot ideals.

And links proving your point was required.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Here's a link:

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...tion-actually-say-about-voting-rights/278782/
[A right-wing rag, to be sure.]

...

What, then, about the right to vote? The phrase appears for the first time in the Fourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

But whatever Section Two of the Fourteenth Amendment means, it really can't mean that everyone must be allowed to vote. It penalizes states that withhold the ballot but does not require them to grant it. The Fifteenth Amendment, however, does speak specifically of "the right of citizens of the United States to vote.

In this form, it will appear a total of three more times, each time now protected against abridgment, as an individual right "of citizens," one that can be enforced by both courts and Congress. Yet courts and citizens remain oddly am- bivalent about it; it is common to regard voting as a "privilege," an incident of citizenship granted to some but not all. The "privilege" over the years has been made dependent on literacy, or long residency in a community, or ability to prove identity, or lack of a criminal past. None of these conditions would be allowed to restrict free speech, or freedom from "unreasonable" searches, or the right to counsel, even though each of those rights is mentioned once in the Constitution. The right to vote of citizens of the United States remains a kind of stepchild in the family of American rights, perhaps because it is not listed in the Bill of Rights, and perhaps because Americans still retain the Framers' ambivalence about democracy....

 

[jaF0]

It doesn't mean there is massive voter fraud.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[jaF0]

"They want three and a half billion dollars for something that'll turn out to be fraudulent, that's election money basically. They want three and a half billion dollars for the mail-in votes. Universal mail-in ballots. They want $25 billion, billion, for the Post Office. Now they need that money in order to make the Post Office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots," Trump said, repeating his false claims that mail-in voting would be "fraudulent."

"But if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because you they're not equipped to have it," Trump added.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/polit...ion/index.html

 

[SpeareChucker]

We're not equipped.
This is a true statement.
It would take a long time to do so.
So one wonders why the artificial consternation
over not just immediately instituting it as if it were a national crisis...




There's no understanding/consensus even of what various posters here consider mail-in balloting.

 

[SpeareChucker]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Especially when you mirror-gaze with eyes shut wide open...

 

[jaF0]

We're not equipped.



There's no understanding/consensus even of what various posters here consider mail-in balloting.

They are equipped. His Pet DeJoy is intentionally de-equipping them. People are being confined to their homes and polling places are being eliminated in an election year when he knows he has to manipulate the vote to retain office. We used to have about 10 polling places in my county. For this past primary, we had one.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's a State issue.

And as an aside: in-person voting isn't all that great either. See, e.g. Florida.