Does this bug anyone else?

[Carl East]

This morning I checked up on my 'Hell's Gate,' story to see how it was doing and was pleasantly surprised to see not only twelve votes, but that they were all 5.00's and my story was number one in the top lists.

Eight hours later, I wake to find just two more votes and that it's now 4.69 and on the second page. My point is though, how can just one or two bad votes make so much difference?

Ok, rant over. lol

Carl

 

[Guest]

This morning I checked up on my 'Hell's Gate,' story to see how it was doing and was pleasantly surprised to see not only twelve votes, but that they were all 5.00's and my story was number one in the top lists.

Eight hours later, I wake to find just two more votes and that it's now 4.69 and on the second page. My point is though, how can just one or two bad votes make so much difference?

Ok, rant over. lol

Carl

Mathematics.

But, I get your point. Pain in the arse, innit?

Lou

 

[oggbashan]

Simple mathematics.

Many stories reach 10 votes with a perfect score of 5.00 because the rating is not visible (except to the author) until you reach 10 votes.

One vote of 4.00 will drop the rating. One vote at 1.00 will make it plummet.

Og

 

[impressive]

Many stories reach 10 votes with a perfect score of 5.00 because the rating is not visible (except to the author) until you reach 10 votes.

Yup. This has happened to me three times. Inevitably, the 11th vote is *NOT* a "5"

Just BEING in the #1 spot on a Top List makes you a target.

 

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[Carl East]

I don't think I've ever given a '1' vote to anyone, in fact if I think the story isn't that good I won't vote at all. The only reason I like the voting system here is that it shows how many people are reading your work, which gives me a buzz. lol

Carl

 

[Boxlicker101]

As Lou suggested, I am doing the math and it doesn't add up. If you had 12 votes, all fives, and then two more votes were cast, it wouldn't come out to 4.69.

(60 + 6) /14 = 4.71

(60 + 5) / 14 = 4.64

I do know what you mean, however. Once the trolls are aware that a story is ranked at the top of its category, they cast their one-bombs. This has probably happened to all of us.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I don't know what criteria laurel uses for culling troll's, but it would seem to me a story that was carrying a five after ten votes would make a one very suspect. You might ask Laurel to look at the votes, if you are concerned about it. I don't usually pay close enough attntion to mine to know if they have been bombed, the exceptionbeing the one I had SDCed. It hit the top list for about a day before plumeting like a shooting star.

-Colly

 

[Guest]

As Lou suggested, I am doing the math and it doesn't add up. If you had 12 votes, all fives, and then two more votes were cast, it wouldn't come out to 4.69.

(60 + 6) /14 = 4.71

(60 + 5) / 14 = 4.64

I do know what you mean, however. Once the trolls are aware that a story is ranked at the top of its category, they cast their one-bombs. This has probably happened to all of us.

Yep, you're absolutely right.

It doesn't work out whichever way I try to do it. 4.69 X 14 = 65.66.

Carl, are you sure you got the actual figures right? This is bugging me now!

Even if, perhaps, for whatever reason, one or two eronious five votes were removed and you received three or four new votes, when you only thought you'd received two, it still doesn't work, in any combination. It's impossible to get two thirds of a vote. You cannot get a figure of 4.69 with 14 votes.

Befuddled and time wasting,

Lou

 

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[matriarch]

YOu've all got me bugged now.

Forgive my stupidity, but my basic maths tells me that if I mutliply my average score for a story by the number of votes, I should end up with a whole number, as no-one can vote anything other than a whole number.

Yes???

So someone tell me why every one of my scores x votes, comes out at a number ending in a wierd decimal:

328.3............145.86 (huh????)........173.9.........155.1.......324.99

Am I being ingenuously niaive here and missing something?

As far as I can make out, if I were to get votes of say.....4,5,3,3 and 4, that would add up to 19........divided by the 5 votes = 3.6. In reverse, multiply the 3.6 x 5 and I get 19. A whole number.

Am I doing something ridiculously wrong???

 

[impressive]

Laurel IS policing!

She sure is! I've even had "3" votes removed. Over the past few days, it's almost as if the bombs are being removed in real time. Amazing.

(Love the AV, RG!)

 

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[lilith1979]

I had, what appears to be a 4 or a 5 removed. I don't know why. It sucked. I went from only having one removed and the score being 4.07, to another being removed and the vote was 4.04. But, I'm sure Laurel has her reasons.

 

[impressive]

THEN Laurel reads our profiles and skews our scores based on how much she likes us.

ROFLMAO!

 

[Boxlicker101]

YOu've all got me bugged now.

Forgive my stupidity, but my basic maths tells me that if I mutliply my average score for a story by the number of votes, I should end up with a whole number, as no-one can vote anything other than a whole number.

Yes???

So someone tell me why every one of my scores x votes, comes out at a number ending in a wierd decimal:

328.3............145.86 (huh????)........173.9.........155.1.......324.99

Am I being ingenuously niaive here and missing something?

As far as I can make out, if I were to get votes of say.....4,5,3,3 and 4, that would add up to 19........divided by the 5 votes = 3.6. In reverse, multiply the 3.6 x 5 and I get 19. A whole number.

Am I doing something ridiculously wrong???

The average is always rounded off to two decimal places. If you have votes of five, five and four, this would total 14. The average would be listed as 4.67 but if you multiply that by 3, the result is 14.01. The average actually is 4.66666666666....and you can continue adding sixes until you run out of memory on the computer.

On the example you gave, by the way, the total would be 19 and the average would be 3.8 because 19 divided by 5 is 3.8. If you added one more vote of 4, the total would be 23 and divided by 6, that would be 3.833333etc. It would show as 3.83 but if you multiplied that by 6, it would come out to 22.98 because of the rounding off.

 

[Weird Harold]

Forgive my stupidity, but my basic maths tells me that if I mutliply my average score for a story by the number of votes, I should end up with a whole number, as no-one can vote anything other than a whole number.

You're forgettin the rounding or truncation that leave scores with two places of accuracy:

4.69 * 14 = 65.66

(60+5+1)/14 = 4.714285714 rounded to 4.71

(60+4+1)/14 = 4.642857143 rounded to 4.64

The possible numbers don't add up to anything that would result in 4.69 unles one or more of the original 12 votes changed -- but a typo in reporting a scoere 4.64 as a 4.69 is possible; transposing 4's and 9's isn't uncommon.

Also, the math routines that compute the scores might be flawed in some way that compunds rounding errors -- I can think of a couple of possible logical mistakes that might be made that would result in an average of 4.71 being reported 0.02 lower than the proper score; althoughthey wouldn't seem to apply inthis case unless a previous score was changed somehow.

 

[matriarch]

You're forgettin the rounding or truncation that leave scores with two places of accuracy:

4.69 * 14 = 65.66

(60+5+1)/14 = 4.714285714 rounded to 4.71

(60+4+1)/14 = 4.642857143 rounded to 4.64

The possible numbers don't add up to anything that would result in 4.69 unles one or more of the original 12 votes changed -- but a typo in reporting a scoere 4.64 as a 4.69 is possible; transposing 4's and 9's isn't uncommon.

Also, the math routines that compute the scores might be flawed in some way that compunds rounding errors -- I can think of a couple of possible logical mistakes that might be made that would result in an average of 4.71 being reported 0.02 lower than the proper score; althoughthey wouldn't seem to apply inthis case unless a previous score was changed somehow.

OK Box and WH............I give in !!!
Its way too late for this kind of discussion, my brain will explode.
I'll just accept the figures as they are and give up trying to justify them.

Thanks for the input though. Maybe, when I'm either more awake, or rat-assed, I might make sense of it.

 

[Carl East]

Yep, you're absolutely right.

It doesn't work out whichever way I try to do it. 4.69 X 14 = 65.66.

Carl, are you sure you got the actual figures right? This is bugging me now!

Even if, perhaps, for whatever reason, one or two eronious five votes were removed and you received three or four new votes, when you only thought you'd received two, it still doesn't work, in any combination. It's impossible to get two thirds of a vote. You cannot get a figure of 4.69 with 14 votes.

Befuddled and time wasting,

Lou

You're right, the only thing I got wrong though was that it was three more votes and not two which gave me a score of 4.69

Carl

ps So how many one's did I have to recieve to get dumped on like that. lol

 

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You're right, the only thing I got wrong though was that it was three more votes and not two which gave me a score of 4.69

Carl

ps So how many one's did I have to recieve to get dumped on like that. lol

Bah! Fuck knows, the figures still don't add up. It's not possible to get a score of 4.69 with 15 votes, either.

But, have heart, Carl mate. For a story with such few votes and a score of 5.00 it wouldn't actually take a 1 bomb for it to drop like that. It would merely take a couple of 4's and maybe a 3.

This happens all the time, to many many stories and most likely is not bombing, but sincere voting. That might smart a bit, but it's possibly the truth.

Lou

P.S. WhaddaIknow???

 

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[Boxlicker101]

Bah! Fuck knows, the figures still don't add up. It's not possible to get a score of 4.69 with 15 votes, either.

But, have heart, Carl mate. For a story with such few votes and a score of 5.00 it wouldn't actually take a 1 bomb for it to drop like that. It would merely take a couple of 4's and maybe a 3.

This happens all the time, to many many stories and most likely is not bombing, but sincere voting. That might smart a bit, but it's possibly the truth.

Lou

P.S. WhaddaIknow???

You're right, Lou. If you have 12 votes of five each, that would be a total of 60. If you add 11 to that total, which might be two more fives and a one-bomb, that would be a total of 71. divided by 15, the result would be 4.73.

If you had 60 and added 10, say a five, a four and a one-bomb, the total is 70. Divide that by 15 and the result is 4.67.

Those individual votes are just some of the possibilibies. Instead of two fives and a one, you might have gotten two fours from readers who thought your story was good but nothing special and a three from somebody who didn't care for it. The result would be the same, which goes to show that, when the vote total is low, even a few somewhat negative votes can knock a score way down.

 

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