Does the Left want US to loose in Iraq?

BlueEyesInLevis

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by Michael Barone

"This is just to cover Bush's (rear) so he doesn't have to answer questions" about things in Iraq, said Rep. Pete Stark, second ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee. "This insurgency is such a confused mess that one person, dead or alive at this point, is hardly significant today," said Rep. Jim McDermott, formerly the lead Democrat on the House ethics committee. The deceased, said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a candidate for the 2004 presidential nomination, was a small part of "a growing anti-American insurgency." He said the United States should get out of Iraq. "We're there for all the wrong reasons."

Such was the reaction of the left wing of the Democratic Party to the killing of al-Qaida terrorist Abu Masab Zarqawi in Iraq. It was not the dominant note sounded by Democrats. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and 2004 presidential nominee John Kerry all hailed the death of Zarqawi in unequivocal terms. And if Democrats also made the point that his death probably won't end the violence in Iraq, they were only echoing what George W. Bush said.

Nevertheless the Stark-McDermott-Kucinich reaction, echoed and amplified, often scatologically, by dozens of commenters on the popular dailykos.com and myDD.com left-wing Websites, tells us something disturbing about the Democratic Party -- and provides a clue why Democrats were unable to eke out a win in last week's special congressional election in the 50th congressional district of California.

It comes down to this: A substantial part of the Democratic Party, some of its politicians and many of its loudest supporters do not want America to succeed in Iraq. So vitriolic and all-consuming is their hatred for George W. Bush that they skip right over the worthy goals we have been, with some considerable success, seeking there -- a democratic government, with guaranteed liberties for all, a vibrant free economy, respect for women -- and call this a war for oil, or for Halliburton.

Successes are discounted, setbacks are trumpeted, the level of American casualties is treated as if it were comparable to those in Vietnam or World War II. Allegations of American misdeeds are repeated over and over; the work of reconstruction and aid of American military personnel and civilians is ignored.

In all this they have been aided and abetted by large elements of the press. The struggle in Iraq has been portrayed as a story of endless and increasing violence. Stories of success and heroism tend to go unreported. Reporters in Iraq deserve respect for their courage -- this has been an unusually deadly war for journalists, largely because they have been targeted by the terrorists. But unfortunately they and the Bush administration have not done a good job of letting us know that last pertinent fact.

We are in an asymmetrical struggle with vicious enemies who slaughter civilians and bystanders and journalists without any regard for the laws of war. But too often we and our enemies are portrayed as moral equivalents. One or two instances of American misconduct are found equal in the balance to a consistent and premeditated campaign of barbarism.

All of this does not go unnoticed by America's voters. The persistence of violence in Iraq has done grave damage to George W. Bush's job rating, and polls show that his fellow Republicans are in trouble. Yet when people actually vote, those numbers don't seem to translate into gains for the Democrats. In 2004, John Kerry got 44 percent of the votes in the 50th district of California. In the April 2006 special primary, Democrat Francine Busby got 44 percent of the votes there. In the runoff last week, she got 45 percent and lost to Republican Brian Bilbray.

The angry Democratic left set the tone for the 2003-04 campaign for the party's presidential nomination, and John Kerry hoped that it would produce a surge in turnout in November 2004. It did: Kerry got 16 percent more popular votes than Al Gore. But George W. Bush got 23 percent more popular votes in 2004 than in 2000.

In California's 50th, both parties made mammoth turnout efforts, but the balance of turnout and of opinion seems to have remained the same, even though Democrats had a seriously contested primary for governor and Republicans didn't. The angry Democratic left and its aiders and abettors in the press seem to have succeeded in souring public opinion, but they haven't succeeded in producing victory margins for the Democrats. Maybe they're doing just the opposite.
 
Absolutely. They don't give a shit how many soldiers die. They don't give a shit about how many Iraqis are tortured. Whatever they can do to make Bush and the Republicans look like failures so they can get back in power they will do.

Problem is, most of their lies end up backfiring on them. And people see right through their deceit. Their constant flip flopping. Their pitiful attempts to appeal to the religious right.

They are self imploding and its hilarious.
 
DevilishTexan said:
Absolutely. They don't give a shit how many soldiers die. They don't give a shit about how many Iraqis are tortured. Whatever they can do to make Bush and the Republicans look like failures so they can get back in power they will do.

Problem is, most of their lies end up backfiring on them. And people see right through their deceit. Their constant flip flopping. Their pitiful attempts to appeal to the religious right.

They are self imploding and its hilarious.


I wouldn't go that far.... I mean the avg. Lib probably doesn't feel that way but they would be happy if we just gave up.....
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
by Michael Barone

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It was not the dominant note sounded by Democrats.

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It comes down to this: A substantial part of the Democratic Party, some of its politicians and many of its loudest supporters do not want America to succeed in Iraq.

So he cherry picks a few people, admits up front that it's "not the dominant note sounded by Democrats", and then proceeds to write a whole column about this non-dominant note anyway.

Barone used to be a perceptive commentator on political trends, but he tipped way over to the right and is now so far up Bush's ass that you can see him waving whenever Dubya opens his mouth. Another pathetic shill.
 
I have to say, I really object to this. It's not a serious question.

Tell the little old ladies who even today stand outside the Marquette County courthouse every Saturday with signs saying "Bring our troops home." Tell THEM that "they don't care how many soldiers die," or that "they want us to lose in Iraq." Really, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

As a soldier, I'm all for having a strong, capable military that has the support of its people. But sometimes it's about MORE than just winning at any cost. Sometimes it's about having enough respect for us and our sacrifices to NOT send us to die for spurious reasons where diplomacy could have solved more. Not every war is just, and not every leader is noble.

Honestly, people, think before you say this shit.
 
huskie said:
I wouldn't go that far.... I mean the avg. Lib probably doesn't feel that way but they would be happy if we just gave up.....
No, the avg Lib doesn't want that. But they want what the Dems want. The Dems don't want to appear as if they want that either but truth be told they could care less.

Its the Vietnam war all over again. The North Vietnamese knew their war would be won not on the battlefield but in the court of public opinion. Kerry helped with that.
 
DevilishTexan said:
No, the avg Lib doesn't want that. But they want what the Dems want. The Dems don't want to appear as if they want that either but truth be told they could care less.

Its the Vietnam war all over again. The North Vietnamese knew their war would be won not on the battlefield but in the court of public opinion. Kerry helped with that.


Like everything else... here and the media want people to believe they ALL feel that way. They don't..... they simply believe we can get through life by ignoring global potential problems and be happy and safe forever.
 
Liberals don't give a shit about how many soldiers die?

Are you fucking serious?

That is utter horseshit - what candy-assed retard sent them to die in the first place? Not a liberal. Who didn't send enough troops? Not a liberal. Who didn't equip them properly beforehand? Not a liberal.

The only people showing evidence of wanting those kids to die are the same assholes who put them in danger, who didn't support them properly, who told the insurgents to - "Bring it On!"

Fucking hell.

Iraq was lost the day king George sent troops in there - without a plan, without a care in the world. If you want to start pointing fingers look to your God-damned leader - he's the one who thought shock and awe could ever help win hearts and minds.
 
The Dumoz want the US to lose and could care less about the US soldiers

If you dont agree

Why was Mile Moore sitting in the Presidential box at the DumOH! Convention?
 
The Dumoz want the US to lose and could care less about the US soldiers

If you dont agree

Why was Mile Moore sitting in the Presidential box at the DumOH! Convention?
 
The Dumoz want the US to lose and could care less about the US soldiers

If you dont agree

Why was Mike Moore sitting in the Presidential box at the DumOH! Convention?
 
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busybody said:
The Dumoz want the US to lose and could care less about the US soldiers

If you dont agree

Why was Mile Moore sitting in the Presidential box at the DumOH! Convention?

Who the hell is "Mile Moore"? - and why would there be a Presidential Box at the Democratic Convention?

You might be a fricken idiot BB, but to post the same incoherent shit three times in a row is a bit much even for you.
 
Why are we in Iraq? There's been so many different reasons given that I seem to have forgotten?

Why do so many protest this war? Maybe because we don't like seeing our troops dying over there for ... oh.... um ... what was that reason again?
 
Why do the Times and WAPO reveal secrets that harm the war effort?

Why do the DumOZ say Bush LIED about evidence when they themselves said the EXACT same thing BEFORE Bush ever got into office?

Why do they CONDEMN the troops for a massacre that never happened?
 
Define "lose" as it applies to a post-"Mission Accomplished" combat environment. If we pulled out now and Osama Bin Laden was made God-Emperor of Iraq, you could still make the case that we didn't "lose."
 
crazybbwgirl said:
Why are we in Iraq? There's been so many different reasons given that I seem to have forgotten?

Why do so many protest this war? Maybe because we don't like seeing our troops dying over there for ... oh.... um ... what was that reason again?

To change a dangerous dictatorship to something more peaceful and trustworthy.


protesting war cause they don't wanna see US troops dying..... yup,... course that would include any war fault for any reason and in a perfect world that would work. But as long as there are leaders in power like Hitler and Saddam and the likes with UNLIMITED sources of income..... there are gonna be wars like this.

I'm just glad it never got so far out'a hand that we had to invade the beaches of Saudi Arabia and fight our way up to Baghdad to win it.
 
Wow.

I'm no fan of Democrats, but this just makes Republicans look horrible. Is there no depth they won't sink to in order to save face?
 
Looking at the column again, what's so bad about the McDermott and Kucinich comments, anyway? McDermott said "this insurgency is such a confused mess that one person, dead or alive at this point, is hardly significant today." I don't think it's insignificant, but it's surely a lot closer to the truth than thinking this is some sort of huge turning point.

Howard Dean was absolutely savaged for saying that the capture of Saddam Hussein (waaaaaay back in December 2003) didn't make us safer. But that was dead on, wasn't it?
 
breakwall said:
Wow.

I'm no fan of Democrats, but this just makes Republicans look horrible. Is there no depth they won't sink to in order to save face?
Who mentioned the Repoz? :confused:
 
Siddhartha said:
I have to say, I really object to this. It's not a serious question.

Tell the little old ladies who even today stand outside the Marquette County courthouse every Saturday with signs saying "Bring our troops home." Tell THEM that "they don't care how many soldiers die," or that "they want us to lose in Iraq." Really, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

As a soldier, I'm all for having a strong, capable military that has the support of its people. But sometimes it's about MORE than just winning at any cost. Sometimes it's about having enough respect for us and our sacrifices to NOT send us to die for spurious reasons where diplomacy could have solved more. Not every war is just, and not every leader is noble.

Honestly, people, think before you say this shit.
I firmly believe those little old ladies care how many soldiers die. They are a one trick pony though so if losing in Iraq meant bringing the soldiers home sooner than completing the mission then they would root for losing in Iraq.

As to your diplomacy angle, where did diplomacy get us prior to 9/11? Was diplomacy keeping the vast oil dollars flooding into that region out of the hands of those who had designs on doing harm to the US? Was the diplomacy that was excercised prior to 9/11 likely to have been more fruitful for the interests of the US after 9/11?

This article hits a lot of nails squarely on the head as far as I'm concerned. The vast majority of people on the left that I read and listen to are absolutley rooting against the War On Terror simply because they see it as rooting against George Bush.
 
andystx said:
I firmly believe those little old ladies care how many soldiers die. They are a one trick pony though so if losing in Iraq meant bringing the soldiers home sooner than completing the mission then they would root for losing in Iraq.

As to your diplomacy angle, where did diplomacy get us prior to 9/11? Was diplomacy keeping the vast oil dollars flooding into that region out of the hands of those who had designs on doing harm to the US? Was the diplomacy that was excercised prior to 9/11 likely to have been more fruitful for the interests of the US after 9/11?

This article hits a lot of nails squarely on the head as far as I'm concerned. The vast majority of people on the left that I read and listen to are absolutley rooting against the War On Terror simply because they see it as rooting against George Bush.
Another fucking retard that thinks Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Why aren't you dickheads bombing the fuck out of Riyadh?
 
Wrong Element said:
Looking at the column again, what's so bad about the McDermott and Kucinich comments, anyway? McDermott said "this insurgency is such a confused mess that one person, dead or alive at this point, is hardly significant today." I don't think it's insignificant, but it's surely a lot closer to the truth than thinking this is some sort of huge turning point.

Howard Dean was absolutely savaged for saying that the capture of Saddam Hussein (waaaaaay back in December 2003) didn't make us safer. But that was dead on, wasn't it?


I disagree..... I believe the whole world is a hell of alot safer now because of this.
 
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