Does Literotica have a written policy that forbids grammar programs?

[SoCalAshley]

Some available grammar programs are Grammarly, QuillBot, Wordtune Editor, and ProWriting Aid. Can someone let me know if Literotica has a written policy forbidding writers from using any of these programs?

 

[EmilyMiller]

Nope. Lit has a problem with poor grammar.

Em

 

[MillieDynamite]

No, nada, Nee, Non, Nein, Nie, Нет or Nu. No está prohibido.

 

[Euphony]

Some available grammar programs are Grammarly, QuillBot, Wordtune Editor, and ProWriting Aid. Can someone let me know if Literotica has a written policy forbidding writers from using any of these programs?

I'm legitimately wondering how they'd know other than if your program has AI components that go a little further than basic grammar checks/minor restructures.

Hemingway works clean too if that's a tool you try later.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I use Grammarly, but I don't accept all of the suggestions. Often, I write dialog with intentionally bad grammar. My editor uses ProWriting Aid, Grammarly, and AutoCrit. He usually doesn't need Grammarly for my writing, but he does for Mary's.

 

[ElectricBlue]

There's no policy against using grammar check software tools. The site is currently struggling with adequate methods to identify AI generated text, and that appears to be causing some confusion. But grammar checking is different to AI generated text - they're two different things.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm trying to imagine how this would be possible. How would they ever know?

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm trying to imagine how this would be possible. How would they ever know?

Based on some recent threads, I think some people are misreading the "check your grammar" rejection notices, which point to the FAQs, which in turn point to and suggest the use of tools such as Grammarly. It's getting mixed up with AI text generation issue.

 

[onehitwanda]

Don't forget, though, that on the third Wednesday evening of odd-numbered months, we all band together and pick a grammar mangler and feed him feet-first through the Mangle-Wurzler.

Afterwards, there's cake and dancing.

 

[Fatdog25]

Don't forget, though, that on the third Wednesday evening of odd-numbered months, we all band together and pick a grammar mangler and feed him feet-first through the Mangle-Wurzler.

Afterwards, there's cake and dancing.

Oh, shit...

Searching furiously for dimension that won't ship me back.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Some available grammar programs are Grammarly, QuillBot, Wordtune Editor, and ProWriting Aid. Can someone let me know if Literotica has a written policy forbidding writers from using any of these programs?

Nope.
Even if Lit had such a policy, you could probably get away with using those aids. Lit isn't big on upholding its own policies

 

[MillieDynamite]

And since they don't watermark the presence, how would Lit know? AI doesn't watermark its presence either, and the detectors don't detect with any degree of accuracy.

Nope.
Even if Lit had such a policy, you could probably get away with using those aids. Lit isn't big on upholding its own policies

 

[SoCalAshley]

Perhaps I should be more specific as to why I asked the question. My last story was rejected. Below is the notice I received. I use the free version of Wordtune Editor, which gives me 10 writing suggestions per day. I took a few of those suggestions for the story that was rejected. Perhaps a better question is: are the suggestions given by the Wordtune editor considered AI? If you read the AI Policy, it says, “Literotica explicitly does not grant any person or entity (commercial, non-profit, or other) the legal right to train AI on any works published on Literotica.”

I did not do that.

Dear Writer,

Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site . However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.

• Literotica is a storytelling community centered on the sharing of human adult fantasies. While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. spellcheck, grammar suggestions, etc.), we do ask that all work published on the site at this time be created primarily by a human. Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai

Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. You can find a list of Volunteer Editors here.

Please consult our Writer's Resources section and make sure you read our submission guidelines.
If you have any questions on these, please let us know.

Thanks for your time, and look forward to reading you again!

 

[Bamagan]

Perhaps I should be more specific as to why I asked the question. My last story was rejected. Below is the notice I received. I use the free version of Wordtune Editor, which gives me 10 writing suggestions per day. I took a few of those suggestions for the story that was rejected. Perhaps a better question is: are the suggestions given by the Wordtune editor considered AI? If you read the AI Policy, it says, “Literotica explicitly does not grant any person or entity (commercial, non-profit, or other) the legal right to train AI on any works published on Literotica.”

I did not do that.

Dear Writer,

Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site . However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.

• Literotica is a storytelling community centered on the sharing of human adult fantasies. While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. spellcheck, grammar suggestions, etc.), we do ask that all work published on the site at this time be created primarily by a human. Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai

Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. You can find a list of Volunteer Editors here.

Please consult our Writer's Resources section and make sure you read our submission guidelines.
If you have any questions on these, please let us know.

Thanks for your time, and look forward to reading you again!

The general feeling around here is that the site is probably using an AI detection program on submissions as part of their review process. If that is true (and it's not just the editor going with gut feelings), the site is basically feeding some or all of the story to a bot and effectively asking it, "Does this look like something you would have written with the right prompts?" There are still a lot of ways to get false positives doing that, especially for erotica where we might be inclined to write short, choppy sentences during a sex scene, and either use words like cock and pussy a lot, or else choose colorful euphemisms to avoid that issue, all of which are behaviors we share with bots. Given that you accepted some suggestions from a grammar program, there's a reasonable chance another bot could look at those sentences and think, "That's exactly what I would have said!" thereby triggering it.
If you tell the editor what you just told us when re-submitting, you will probably get passed through, unless there are other problems that they didn't notice because it got bounced back before they looked at it more carefully.
Good luck!

 

[Bramblethorn]

Perhaps I should be more specific as to why I asked the question. My last story was rejected. Below is the notice I received. I use the free version of Wordtune Editor, which gives me 10 writing suggestions per day. I took a few of those suggestions for the story that was rejected. Perhaps a better question is: are the suggestions given by the Wordtune editor considered AI? If you read the AI Policy, it says, “Literotica explicitly does not grant any person or entity (commercial, non-profit, or other) the legal right to train AI on any works published on Literotica.”

There are two different issues here:

• Training an AI: this is what happens when the makers of GPT/etc. use a huge volume of material scraped from the internet to teach their software how to string words together.
• Writing via AI: this is what happens when somebody uses GPT/etc. to write some or all of their story for them.

The "training AI" part of the policy isn't relevant to you, because you're not training an AI.

• Literotica is a storytelling community centered on the sharing of human adult fantasies. While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. spellcheck, grammar suggestions, etc.), we do ask that all work published on the site at this time be created primarily by a human. Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai

I'm not familiar with Wordtune, but the website describes it as a "generative AI" and from their example screenshots, it looks as if it goes beyond mere "spellcheck/grammar suggestions" - it looks to be rewriting and changing style.



That being the case, I don't think it's accurate to describe it merely as a "grammar tool" and I wouldn't expect it to be covered by that permission. It may well be considered an "AI" for moderation purposes.

That said, I do agree that the FAQs aren't entirely consistent with the rejection message, and it also seems like quite a few stories are getting this rejection even when they're not using such tools. It'd be great if L&M would clarify this issue.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It is difficult to impossible to tell AI text from a real live person's writing. Not because it is great in its writing but because writers have varied ways of writing. Some people come off as wooden in their writing (instant flag for being AI). Others don't have a command of the language they writing, another instant flag. Some writers use too many short sentences or one-word sentences. Though I personally doubt that an AI would do that, it still might kick it as an AI when you do that.

I would suspect that AI would slip by AI before some of our English as a Second Language writers' work would. I think this will continue to be an issue here where it isn't an issue when you are publishing professionally, (or at least are publishing stuff for sale). The old AI printed bits and pieces, whole hog, and didn't worry about copyright, but it was blatant plagiarism, and the stories those early gens produced made no sense. But the new stuff is better. I don't like what I've read. My publisher insists we write every word of our stories without AI assistance or having it write the work for us.

But if a human reads it and kicks it as AI or an AI kicks it as AI, it is still an opinion. Wither intellectual or Artificially Intellectual, it's an opinion.

There are two different issues here:

• Training an AI: this is what happens when the makers of GPT/etc. use a huge volume of material scraped from the internet to teach their software how to string words together.
• Writing via AI: this is what happens when somebody uses GPT/etc. to write some or all of their story for them.

The "training AI" part of the policy isn't relevant to you, because you're not training an AI.



I'm not familiar with Wordtune, but the website describes it as a "generative AI" and from their example screenshots, it looks as if it goes beyond mere "spellcheck/grammar suggestions" - it looks to be rewriting and changing style.

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That being the case, I don't think it's accurate to describe it merely as a "grammar tool" and I wouldn't expect it to be covered by that permission. It may well be considered an "AI" for moderation purposes.

That said, I do agree that the FAQs aren't entirely consistent with the rejection message, and it also seems like quite a few stories are getting this rejection even when they're not using such tools. It'd be great if L&M would clarify this issue.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Don't forget, though, that on the third Wednesday evening of odd-numbered months, we all band together and pick a grammar mangler and feed him feet-first through the Mangle-Wurzler.

Afterwards, there's cake and dancing.

Thank God it's only the men...
We can just sit back and enjoy the cake.

 

[BobbyLaker]

Don't forget, though, that on the third Wednesday evening of odd-numbered months, we all band together and pick a grammar mangler and feed him feet-first through the Mangle-Wurzler.

Afterwards, there's cake and dancing.

Cake... cake you say?

 

[tenyari]

The general feeling around here is that the site is probably using an AI detection program on submissions as part of their review process. If that is true (and it's not just the editor going with gut feelings), the site is basically feeding some or all of the story to a bot and effectively asking it, "Does this look like something you would have written with the right prompts?" There are still a lot of ways to get false positives doing that, especially for erotica where

Given that chatbots are trained by using stolen content from writers... the odds of getting false positives should likely be absurdly high...

I'm actually a little surprised this hasn't ended up being an issue because I would have suspected a chatbot to start thinking almost everything was something it wrote...

 

[Bramblethorn]

Given that chatbots are trained by using stolen content from writers... the odds of getting false positives should likely be absurdly high...

I'm actually a little surprised this hasn't ended up being an issue because I would have suspected a chatbot to start thinking almost everything was something it wrote...

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...ssor-flunks-students-false-claims-1234736601/

Not that the actual "AI detectors" work quite that way, but still...

 

[Duleigh]

As the mentor of several contest and event support threads, I insist on using them. (I'm not happy with Grammarly but I like Prowriting Aid)

 

[tenyari]

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...ssor-flunks-students-false-claims-1234736601/

Not that the actual "AI detectors" work quite that way, but still...

Yeah. That's more like what I'd be expecting.

I guess we're semi-safe over here as long as the ChatBots are have all those morality limits on them, maybe they haven't scraped erotica sites for training yet. Kind of like how the Ai Art tools can't figure out how to draw a vagina (but are great for drawing furries with penises because 'reasons').

But once the floodgates open, we're all gonna get copied and then flagged.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Yeah. That's more like what I'd be expecting.

I guess we're semi-safe over here as long as the ChatBots are have all those morality limits on them, maybe they haven't scraped erotica sites for training yet. Kind of like how the Ai Art tools can't figure out how to draw a vagina (but are great for drawing furries with penises because 'reasons').

But once the floodgates open, we're all gonna get copied and then flagged.

I'm pretty sure they did scrape erotica sites along with everything else they could get their hands on. Common Crawl is a major source of training data for large language models, and when I checked Lit's robots.txt file a while back, I didn't see anything in it then to opt out of CC. Checking now, it looks as if they've recently changed that file with the intention of keeping Lit out of future training sets, but that won't help with models already trained on the older version.

From playing around with GPT, my best guess is that the model is capable of writing erotica (at the same level of quality that it writes anything else) but it has filters that attempt to detect naughty prompts or naughty outputs and block those. They're not very good and can sometimes be bypassed with creative prompting (cf. the "napalm grandma" exploit) and I think some folk here were mentioning unfiltered versions.

The number of people reporting wrongful "AI" rejections suggests that Lit might already be getting a lot of AI submissions. (Or at least they think they are.)

 

[Stimtheone]

I've been using Grammarly on all my works (save for some initial ones that led to people recommending I use it) so I can't say they do. But I did hear that stories with too many grammar problems can be rejected.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Oh, shit...

Searching furiously for dimension that won't ship me back.

I like cake and dancing.