Does it count if it's a Hologram?

[PhoenixLord]

I'm thinking of writing a fanfic set in the Star Trek Universe, where an Ensign goes to the holodeck to jerk off. A friend walks in on him fucking a beautiful woman, thinking the woman is real, but after he gets caught, the Ensign reveals it's a hologram, but the friend jokingly says "It still counts, congrats you're not a virgin anymore".

The thing is, does it count? Is he still a virgin if the woman is a projection of light?

 

[LupusDei]

As silly as a question it is, I think not. Does a doll count? Of course, now, we can go into the territory of virtual doubles and physically-feelable projections virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, and the only reason it shouldn't count is that he knew it's not real, that the stimulation is provided by the holodeck. But had the real woman sneaked in, he wouldn't know and it would "count" anyway? Becomes messy real fast.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm thinking of writing a fanfic set in the Star Trek Universe, where an Ensign goes to the holodeck to jerk off. A friend walks in on him fucking a beautiful woman, thinking the woman is real, but after he gets caught, the Ensign reveals it's a hologram, but the friend jokingly says "It still counts, congrats you're not a virgin anymore".

The thing is, does it count? Is he still a virgin if the woman is a projection of light?

How about if she is a ghost?

https://classic.literotica.com/s/amelia-of-finley-hall

I don't know if ghosts have a "physical" presence, assuming they exist at all. I've heard a story of how one could open a door. I wouldn't even try to explain that.

 

[gunhilltrain]

As silly as a question it is, I think not. Does a doll count? Of course, now, we can go into the territory of virtual doubles and physically-feelable projections virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, and the only reason it shouldn't count is that he knew it's not real, that the stimulation is provided by the holodeck. But had the real woman sneaked in, he wouldn't know and it would "count" anyway? Becomes messy real fast.

In science fiction, there are androids, "artificial humans" (Blade Runner, Aliens, etc.) Perhaps they were cloned from human DNA; I don't remember that being specified. So there is a line between human and artificial, but that is beyond my ability to speculate.

 

[Carnevil9]

Many terms in human language become obsolete as technology evolves. I suspect this is a prime example. Eventually society will decide what counts as a virgin in this brave new world.

 

[PhoenixLord]

In science fiction, there are androids, "artificial humans" (Blade Runner, Aliens, etc.) Perhaps they were cloned from human DNA; I don't remember that being specified. So there is a line between human and artificial, but that is beyond my ability to speculate.

There are Androids in Star Trek as well. Soong-type androids specifically (Data, Lore, etc) were originally constructed in a lab on a Federation colony world. Later variations of them were created to look and sound so human, they were nearly indistinguishable. I think a Picard Era android would have fully functional parts that would count toward losing one's virginity to an android...And no, I doubt very much that the only person to test that theory was a virgin when she slept with Data in TNG (Tasha Yar).

 

[jaF0]

There was .. 'Minuet'.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There are Androids in Star Trek as well. Soong-type androids specifically (Data, Lore, etc) were originally constructed in a lab on a Federation colony world. Later variations of them were created to look and sound so human, they were nearly indistinguishable. I think a Picard Era android would have fully functional parts that would count toward losing one's virginity to an android...And no, I doubt very much that the only person to test that theory was a virgin when she slept with Data in TNG (Tasha Yar).

Almost every story about robots and androids, going back to the original stage play R.U.R. in the 1920's, ponders the line between human and artificial. Rod Sterling did it in a 1959 Twilight Zone episode "The Lonely." I took it further by making Alicia into a android, not a robot as Serling did. It both versions, the male convict (Corey) is finally convinced that the entity with him can be defined as a "human."

https://classic.literotica.com/s/penitentiary-planet

 

[gunhilltrain]

There was .. 'Minuet'.

I had to look that one up. That was in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Oh God, do they still have those disco balls that far into the future?