Do your neighbors make you nervous?

I never understood the logic behind this. Like I'm going to not watch my daughter closely if there isn't one in my neighborhood? As if I'd tell her to just go to the neighbors for the day, even if he doesn't have kids? Gee, he must be OK since he's not on the list...:rolleyes: If the point is to try to run people out of the neighborhood, doesn't that mean that the perverts are next (i.e. a bunch of people who write smut and talk about sex all day)?
 
its been nearly a year and he still isnt on the registry. the reason for this, im told, is because his crime happened in another state so the process takes longer.

the reason why i want him on the registry is because:
he could be your best friend
he made his way through the ranks of the navy with ease
he can make you believe anything
you would trust him around your kids
you would never, ever imagine that he did what he did...ever.


i am a proponent of the registry. i will know if my child is spending the night at someone's house who has had a sexual conviction.
btw, not all sexual convicts look like scum.
 
vella_ms said:
its been nearly a year and he still isnt on the registry. the reason for this, im told, is because his crime happened in another state so the process takes longer.

the reason why i want him on the registry is because:
he could be your best friend
he made his way through the ranks of the navy with ease
he can make you believe anything
you would trust him around your kids
you would never, ever imagine that he did what he did...ever.


i am a proponent of the registry. i will know if my child is spending the night at someone's house who has had a sexual conviction.
btw, not all sexual convicts look like scum.

Exactly. Look at how many priests an religious leaders have been uncovered as pedophiles. Do you trust your priest? What about the people running our country? Congressmen are caught seemingly once a month. I want to know who lives in my neighborhood. There is one living in my appartment complex, I've seen him when I go to get my mail. It's scary.
 
what bothers me most, is the idealism that pedofiles can be reformed. obviously i can not say they 'can't' be but from experience both personal and professional, i've never seen it.
i don't believe in going after these people and hurting them or forming lynch mobs. i do believe in knowing who lives near you so that you can better protect your loved ones. sure, being diligent about your children's activities and 'normal' parenting should be enough but history has proven that this just isnt true.
 
Damn.

Thank you for posting this. There are quite a few around both our kid's schools.

:mad:
 
I'm of two minds on this...

I think that in some instances, the sex offender registry is often a terrible thing.

Yes, I want to protect my children, and I completely understand, and agree, with the need to know of convicted pedophiles that are living nearby.

On the other hand, there are people like this kid who did nothing that most other kids have done, yet he'll be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. People forget that pedophiles aren't the only people that are listed.

Who is listed, and why, needs to be rethought, and redone.
 
I first became aware of this site about a year and a half ago. I do not have any children of my own but I am always concerned about the safety of children concerning molestation or worse.

Fortunately I live in a town where compared to other places has relatively few "registered" offenders. However, I did notice one individual that was located RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, which I think is illegal in this state. I know that it was illegal in TN. But I'm not sure about FL. But one of my collegues told me he was going to check into it. So I left it to him.


vella_ms said:
what bothers me most, is the idealism that pedofiles can be reformed. obviously i can not say they 'can't' be but from experience both personal and professional, i've never seen it.
i don't believe in going after these people and hurting them or forming lynch mobs. i do believe in knowing who lives near you so that you can better protect your loved ones. sure, being diligent about your children's activities and 'normal' parenting should be enough but history has proven that this just isnt true.


Sorry, sweetie, I have absolutely NO patience or sympathy or any form of compassion for these societal rejects. I will NEVER waver in my opinion that every person who molests a child should be shot in the back of the head. No prison, no waste of taxpayers dollars to keep these motherfuckers alive, and no chance that they will ever have another opportunity to kill the soul of another innocent child.
 
What the site says:

90% of sexual assaults are committed against someone the perpetrator knows.



What the site doesn't say:

Most of those perpetrators are not the dude down the street that the victims befriend, but members of the victim's family or older kids they know from school.



I have no love for sex offenders. But fear mongering is fear mongering wherever it rears its head.
 
Okay, that's kinda creepy... a couple rapists, a couple sexual battery fellas.. hmm, sounds like a good place to be!
There are 11 on the map, and 4 that are 'unmappable'. Why is that I wonder.. ?
Anyhow, a total of 15 in my zip code..
And the closest one to a school is .58 miles. Is that legal?
 
EmeraldKitten said:
Okay, that's kinda creepy... a couple rapists, a couple sexual battery fellas.. hmm, sounds like a good place to be!
There are 11 on the map, and 4 that are 'unmappable'. Why is that I wonder.. ?
Anyhow, a total of 15 in my zip code..
And the closest one to a school is .58 miles. Is that legal?

In the area where I live there is a convicted pedophile living NEXT DOOR to an elementary school. No, it is not legal and is a violation of his parole. No, the scumbags won't do anything about it, because the poor pedophile has no place else to go. This last is a damn lie! The land East of Point Barrow Alaska is particularly beautiful this time of year and camping is permitted.
 
Please keep in mind, there are people on sex offender lists who are neither classic rapists nor pedophiles.

I have a client who now is in his late 30s. Twenty years ago he had what he believed was consentual sex with a woman/girl two years his junior. She complained and he served ten years.

He's been a model citizen since being released from prison (completed probation without a hitch, has held the same job for ten years, and has had no involvement with the police--except reporting quarterly as required by our state's laws). Now he's on the list, address, picture and all. He'll remain on that list for the remainder of his life.

Since his release from prison, he's married (with full disclosure), had a son, and divorced. He and his ex agreed they would share joint physical (translated equal time) custody of their son.

Recently his son entered kindergarten. His ex became angry with him over some trivial event and attempted to bar this man from his son's classroom based on a law in this state prohibiting sex offenders from appearing within some distance of a school.

Fortunately for him, both the local prosecutor and school authorities listened carefully and made special arrangements for him to spend time in his son's classroom just as any other parent would be permitted.

Please, click the link. Find out where the offenders live in your town. Just keep in mind, there are people on that list who never were pedophiles, who never will present any danger to a child, and perhaps, shouldn't be listed.
 
jakebarnes06:
What you have outlined is a classic example of a miscarriage of justice. A guy goes out with a girl, convinces her to agree to have sex and then finds out that she can't agree to have sex, since she is a minor child. The matter does not realistically make the guy a pedophile, but technically he is. [If he had to serve 10 year, there is probably more to the story than you have given us, since an 18-year-old guy screwing a 16-year-old girl typically does not result in 10 years in the slammer.]

The problem is that the law needs to distinguish between a pedophile who likes six-year-old girls and a normal man who might well be attracted to a 16-year-old girl for non pedophile reasons.
 
Jubal_Harshaw said:
Exactly. Look at how many priests an religious leaders have been uncovered as pedophiles. Do you trust your priest? What about the people running our country?
No, I don't trust any of them. I do not leave my daughter alone with an adult man, if it's possible to avoid it. I'm very careful about doing it with women. I talk to her about "Stranger Danger" and people touching innappropriately. Just because someone is not on the list DOES NOT make them safe. Just because someone is on the list doesn't make them dangerous. I agree with Liar completely. The list does nothing to tell you about the person's trial, if they could afford a decent attorney, etc... We just had a thread about the judicial system screwing over people and there were people who said you can't trust it. Now we have a thread where we take their opinion as gospel. Sorry, I distrust everyone equally. I don't care if you're on the list or not.
 
You're correct on all counts RR. There were aggravating circumstances in this man's situation. None of those circumstances had anything to do with either the girl or any sexual matter, so I didn't mention them because they were irrelevant to the issue at hand.

In my opinion, the sexual offender list laws are a classic example of the goverment's reacting with an overly broad solution to (at least in this case) an admittedly serious problem.
 
jakebarnes06 said:
You're correct on all counts RR. There were aggravating circumstances in this man's situation. None of those circumstances had anything to do with either the girl or any sexual matter, so I didn't mention them because they were irrelevant to the issue at hand.

In my opinion, the sexual offender list laws are a classic example of the goverment's reacting with an overly broad solution to (at least in this case) an admittedly serious problem.
And the problem is, if you object to it, you're, "In favor of pedophiles". This is the perfect storm of causes. Conservatives are on it because they're so tough on crime. Liberals are on it because of the children. People who are honestly concerned are willing to go along with it because they think it will help. In the end, a lot of decent people will be persecuted over it and someday, someone will expand it to include another group. I can't guess which one, but I guarantee it will happen. I'm all for keeping dangerous criminals in jail longer...it's a good use for my tax money. However, these lists don't make you safer. They might make you feel safer, but that's not a good reason to punish someone for the rest of their life. Anyone on the list could simply go to another area to commit a crime safely (which would occur to a criminal). If it's someone in your family, you obviously don't need the list to tell you. People who haven't gotten caught or convicted aren't on the list. Like I said before, I don't get it.
 
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R. Richard said:
an 18-year-old guy screwing a 16-year-old girl typically does not result in 10 years in the slammer

ya think?

Read the link in my post above. The poor guy got ten years just for letting girl that was 15 (I think) give him a blow job when he was 17.
 
cloudy said:
ya think?

Read the link in my post above. The poor guy got ten years just for letting girl that was 15 (I think) give him a blow job when he was 17.

I read the link. The guy was a juvenile, not an adult. If he had been able to afford a decent lawyer, he should have gotten off with a year in juvie. You can't make a teenager an adult by passing a law. They do get to try teenagers as adults when the crime results in grevious bodily harm, but there was no grevious bodily harm.
 
Slightly OT: When I was 17 (and remind you that the Age of Consent in England is 16) I dated a man who was 26 (with the blessing of my parents). I later found out that because I was under 18 and he was over 21 there was a legal grey area about our relationship - if I had wanted to, I could have made his life *very* difficult.

Its weird.
 
cloudy said:
I'm of two minds on this...

I think that in some instances, the sex offender registry is often a terrible thing.

Yes, I want to protect my children, and I completely understand, and agree, with the need to know of convicted pedophiles that are living nearby.

On the other hand, there are people like this kid who did nothing that most other kids have done, yet he'll be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. People forget that pedophiles aren't the only people that are listed.

Who is listed, and why, needs to be rethought, and redone.

OK, I do feel sorry for this kid, but am I the only one who found this amusing:
Wilson’s attorney, B.J. Bernstein,
I know. Perverted sense of humour.
x
V
 
Vermilion said:
OK, I do feel sorry for this kid, but am I the only one who found this amusing:

I know. Perverted sense of humour.
x
V

Oh V, not you really! A perverted sense of humor? :devil:

MJL
 
cloudy said:
I'm of two minds on this...

I think that in some instances, the sex offender registry is often a terrible thing.

Yes, I want to protect my children, and I completely understand, and agree, with the need to know of convicted pedophiles that are living nearby.

On the other hand, there are people like this kid who did nothing that most other kids have done, yet he'll be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. People forget that pedophiles aren't the only people that are listed.

Who is listed, and why, needs to be rethought, and redone.

Uh-huh.

That case, of course, is unusual, and a product of weird bad law.

But there is another point here; I agree that it seems that practicing paedophiles are rarely 'reformed' or 'cured' - it seems to be a habit that's very hard indeed to break. But I believe it's true that many - perhaps most - paedophiles are themselves victims of childhood sexual abuse. Of course that doesn't make paedophile behaviour OK. Of course that isn't an excuse. But it's the nature of evil that it's more complex than it seems. Individual paedophiles may be more sinned against than sinning; and support for them may do more to prevent them acting out their desires than demonising them. Of course people must protect their children, but if that turns us into an unquestioning lynch mob, that is in itself a triumph of evil.
 
Misty_Morning said:
Sorry, sweetie, I have absolutely NO patience or sympathy or any form of compassion for these societal rejects. I will NEVER waver in my opinion that every person who molests a child should be shot in the back of the head. No prison, no waste of taxpayers dollars to keep these motherfuckers alive, and no chance that they will ever have another opportunity to kill the soul of another innocent child.

John, 8:7
 
SimonBrooke said:
Uh-huh.

That case, of course, is unusual, and a product of weird bad law.

But there is another point here; I agree that it seems that practicing paedophiles are rarely 'reformed' or 'cured' - it seems to be a habit that's very hard indeed to break. But I believe it's true that many - perhaps most - paedophiles are themselves victims of childhood sexual abuse. Of course that doesn't make paedophile behaviour OK. Of course that isn't an excuse. But it's the nature of evil that it's more complex than it seems. Individual paedophiles may be more sinned against than sinning; and support for them may do more to prevent them acting out their desires than demonising them. Of course people must protect their children, but if that turns us into an unquestioning lynch mob, that is in itself a triumph of evil.

Agree that paedophiles are often abused, themselves, How do we stop the cycle? Great question. I am not sure we can and that's sad. Maybe one route would be getting rid of the incest stories on Lit? :devil:
 
SimonBrooke said:

Please don't take this the wrong way but

Yeah...yeah...yeah...


And until you've walked a mile in my shoes...you will never know the reason for my hatred of these people.

THAT'S how we break the cycle....get rid of the motherfuckers...permanently.
 
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