Do you think Mueller should be fired?

[Rightguide]

And so it begins:


U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case
Sarah N. Lynch

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia said.

At tense hearing at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, the judge said Mueller should not have “unfettered power” in his Russia probe and that the charges against Manafort did not arise from the investigation into Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ounsels-powers-in-manafort-case-idUSKBN1I51WE

 

[BBIV]

all who voted NO

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are INSANE

 

[TalkRadio]

Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump

A federal judge on Friday harshly rebuked Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team during a hearing for ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort – suggesting they lied about the scope of the investigation, are seeking “unfettered power” and are more interested in bringing down the president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...am-lying-trying-to-target-trump-cmon-man.html

 

[TalkRadio]

Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump

(CNN) — A federal judge expressed deep skepticism Friday in the bank fraud case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, at one point saying he believes that Mueller's motivation is to oust President Donald Trump from office.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html

 

[Rightguide]

The judge also demanded Mueller's un-redacted authorization letter from Rosenstein. Prosecutors tried to say they couldn't because it was "classified." The Judge told them they had two weeks to produce it and that he'd be the judge of whether or not it's classified or not.

 

[richard_daily]

all who voted NO

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are INSANE

Sorry you don't respect the rule of law.

 

[Adre]

all who voted NO

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are quite competent and likely have busybody on ignore

Fixed.

 

[BBIV]

Sorry you don't respect the rule of law.

You spelled CuntCLinton wrong

 

[about_average]

Iif you actually could think beyond what you've been told, you'd know that Trump's actions are LEGAL. They may look bad, but that doesn't mean they're unlawful. What YOU and others may believe is the "reason he did it" is irrelevant unless you have FACTS to support that belief. So far the facts we have don't.

Fact - Trump said he fired Mueller because the Russia investigation bothered him

This is all designed to take the eye off the ball, namely did TRUMP collude with the Russians to affect the election. You have no evidence of that. Nor does Mueller. Nor does Congress.

Fact - The Trump campaign attempted to work with the Russian government to affect the 2016 election. Isolated incident?

The rest of your speel is more of your typical nonsense. Such as the part about you wanting the tax returns. Trump doesn't HAVE to produce his tax returns to satisfy your prurient interests in his financial affairs. That you HAVE TO HAVE THEM or else he's "hiding something" once again shows your ineptitude in logical processing of facts.

Trump is always claiming people who don't release information are "hiding something". At least we agree Trump is inept at logical processing of facts.

Like I said, you deflect when you can't prove your point.

Neither can you or vette or any of the others claiming there's no evidence of anything. None of you have access to all of Mueller's information.

 

[HisArpy]

Fact - Trump said he fired Mueller because the Russia investigation bothered him

Fact - The Trump campaign attempted to work with the Russian government to affect the 2016 election. Isolated incident?

Trump is always claiming people who don't release information are "hiding something". At least we agree Trump is inept at logical processing of facts.

Neither can you or vette or any of the others claiming there's no evidence of anything. None of you have access to all of Mueller's information.

FACT:

Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo recommending the firing of Comey and outlined several reasons why it should be done immediately. Some of which the recent IG report substantiates. Trump has repeatedly said he followed the recommendation of Comey's superior.

FACT #2:

There is NO EVIDENCE that the Trump campaign attempted to unlawfully change the outcome of the 2016 election. Even those who are stridently against Trump have publicly said they haven't seen any evidence of collusion between Trump, his campaign, and the Russians.

I don't have to have the inside dope from Mueller's team to listen to the words from those who would dance in the streets if Trump were impeached, AND who have actual access to that inside information, when those same people say they haven't seen any evidence.

When those who are supposed to know say there isn't any evidence, I have to trust that there isn't any evidence. Even if Twitter, the MSM, and you, say there must be.

 

[richmondman]

FACT:

Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo recommending the firing of Comey and outlined several reasons why it should be done immediately. Some of which the recent IG report substantiates. Trump has repeatedly said he followed the recommendation of Comey's superior.

FACT #2:

There is NO EVIDENCE that the Trump campaign attempted to unlawfully change the outcome of the 2016 election. Even those who are stridently against Trump have publicly said they haven't seen any evidence of collusion between Trump, his campaign, and the Russians.

I don't have to have the inside dope from Mueller's team to listen to the words from those who would dance in the streets if Trump were impeached, AND who have actual access to that inside information, when those same people say they haven't seen any evidence.

When those who are supposed to know say there isn't any evidence, I have to trust that there isn't any evidence. Even if Twitter, the MSM, and you, say there must be.

As to "Fact #1", Trump had his team together and launched into a tirade against Comey, and Stephen Miller took notes and from them followed by drafting a firing memorandum using Trump's arguments. Rosenstein and I believe someone else took that memo and stripped it way down to a vanilla statement. A couple of days later, Trump goes on NBC and confirms the reason, consistent with at least part of his reasons stated in the Miller memo. The memo exists, and Mueller has it.

As to "Fact #2", nobody knows what Mueller has on "collusion," which actually, if something comes of it, is likely to be conspiracy to commit one or more specific crimes (computer, election fraud). Seems as though there's a lot of smoke, and we'll have to see what comes from his investigation. I will say, however, that the Trump Tower meeting and DTJR's admitted comments are suspicious (at least) about coordination. That being said, does any of this tie to Trump personally? Don't know. I do know that Mueller isn't going to give anyone a list of what he's learned and what he can prove pretty decisively until there is a report, indictment or withdrawal.

 

[BBIV]

^^^Lunatic

 

[phrodeau]

FACT:

Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo recommending the firing of Comey and outlined several reasons why it should be done immediately. Some of which the recent IG report substantiates. Trump has repeatedly said he followed the recommendation of Comey's superior.

FACT #2:

There is NO EVIDENCE that the Trump campaign attempted to unlawfully change the outcome of the 2016 election. Even those who are stridently against Trump have publicly said they haven't seen any evidence of collusion between Trump, his campaign, and the Russians.

I don't have to have the inside dope from Mueller's team to listen to the words from those who would dance in the streets if Trump were impeached, AND who have actual access to that inside information, when those same people say they haven't seen any evidence.

When those who are supposed to know say there isn't any evidence, I have to trust that there isn't any evidence. Even if Twitter, the MSM, and you, say there must be.

There actually is some evidence that the Trump campaign attempted to unlawfully change the outcome of the election.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/07/steve-curtis-voter-fraud-conviction/

 

[BBIV]

This is what you have???????????

 

[Hypoxia]

Gargle for Klein conspiracy

Hit on Prosecuting Criminal Conspiracies - Dept of Justice (pdf)

It is a federal crime “if two or more persons conspire . . . to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.” 18 U.S.C. § 371 (2013). This language is the second clause (or “defraud prong”) of the federal conspiracy statute that creates criminal liability for anyone who conspires “either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States . . . .” Id. (emphasis added).

Team Tromp conspired with Kremlin agents to defraud the Federal Elections Commission. Jail-em.

 

[doowdniw]

It's hard to see much at all when your head is buried in the sand.

 

[Adre]

Now Pence is advising the Special Counsel when his work should wrap up. Mike, why don’t you shut up and put your head back where it belongs.

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

The judge also demanded Mueller's un-redacted authorization letter from Rosenstein. Prosecutors tried to say they couldn't because it was "classified." The Judge told them they had two weeks to produce it and that he'd be the judge of whether or not it's classified or not.

That's not what was said. You didn't even read your own article.

 

[schism666]

That's not what was said. You didn't even read your own article.

stop educating him and ruining our fun

I swear that guy is a plant sent here by the current co-presidents, hillary and barry.

 

[HisArpy]

As to "Fact #1", Trump had his team together and launched into a tirade against Comey, and Stephen Miller took notes and from them followed by drafting a firing memorandum using Trump's arguments. Rosenstein and I believe someone else took that memo and stripped it way down to a vanilla statement. A couple of days later, Trump goes on NBC and confirms the reason, consistent with at least part of his reasons stated in the Miller memo. The memo exists, and Mueller has it.

Somewhat incorrect.

Trump drafted a termination letter with Miller assisting him. Said letter was then given to white house counsel McGhan to review. He opposed it because of content and style and the draft letter was given to Rosenstein who drafted his own letter.

https://www.nytimes.com Comey firing letter

Rosenstein defends his termination recommendation letter on the basis of the FACTS surrounding Comey's job performance and testimony.

the series of public statements about the email investigation, in my opinion, departed from the proper role of the FBI director and damaged public confidence in the bureau and the department,” Rosenstein said.
Rosenstein defends his controversial letter firing Comey

So your version of events is mostly skewed rather than correct. That Mueller has the draft memo means NOTHING because it doesn't deal with "Russian Collusion" other than Trump's thoughts about Comey's (mis)handling of the collusion investigation as well as the Clinton server fiasco.

As to "Fact #2", nobody knows what Mueller has on "collusion," which actually, if something comes of it, is likely to be conspiracy to commit one or more specific crimes (computer, election fraud). Seems as though there's a lot of smoke, and we'll have to see what comes from his investigation. I will say, however, that the Trump Tower meeting and DTJR's admitted comments are suspicious (at least) about coordination. That being said, does any of this tie to Trump personally? Don't know. I do know that Mueller isn't going to give anyone a list of what he's learned and what he can prove pretty decisively until there is a report, indictment or withdrawal.

Here you're flat wrong.

House Intel panel says there's no evidence Trump colluded with Russia

The Intel committee looked at ALL the available documents that Mueller also looked at/has possession of and concluded there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

Then there's this:

“Have you seen any evidence that this dirt, these emails, were ever given to the Trump campaign?” CNN’s Jake Tapper asked California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Sunday.

“Not so far,” replied the Democrat, who is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Dianne Feinstein says she still hasn't seen evidence of collusion

Feinstein has access to the same information Mueller has. If she, a RANKING INTEL COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT, says she's seen no evidence, then there's no evidence. On this you are completely wrong.

 

[Rightguide]

As to "Fact #1", Trump had his team together and launched into a tirade against Comey, and Stephen Miller took notes and from them followed by drafting a firing memorandum using Trump's arguments. Rosenstein and I believe someone else took that memo and stripped it way down to a vanilla statement. A couple of days later, Trump goes on NBC and confirms the reason, consistent with at least part of his reasons stated in the Miller memo. The memo exists, and Mueller has it.

As to "Fact #2", nobody knows what Mueller has on "collusion," which actually, if something comes of it, is likely to be conspiracy to commit one or more specific crimes (computer, election fraud). Seems as though there's a lot of smoke, and we'll have to see what comes from his investigation. I will say, however, that the Trump Tower meeting and DTJR's admitted comments are suspicious (at least) about coordination. That being said, does any of this tie to Trump personally? Don't know. I do know that Mueller isn't going to give anyone a list of what he's learned and what he can prove pretty decisively until there is a report, indictment or withdrawal.

Fact #3: Hillary, the Democrat Party, and officers of the Obama administration, did conspire with agents of a foreign government to affect the outcome of the election and to frame the President of the United States, Donald Trump.

Here's what we do know about Fact # 2. There was no collusion between Trump or his campaign with the Russians to undermine the election. We know this is true because neither Mueller or his Hillary supporting team has leaked it to the press.

 

[Hypoxia]

The Intel committee looked at ALL the available documents that Mueller also looked at/has possession of and concluded there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

1. Collusion is not a crime. Conspiracy is, and has been established.
2. Mueller's brief is to intensively investigate tampering, not collusion.
3. You have no idea what info Mueller and other probes have gathered.
4. Evidence will be presented with indictments and Mueller's report.
5. Chickens flap and squawk frantically as the fox nears the henhouse.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

1. Collusion is not a crime. Conspiracy is, and has been established.
2. Mueller's brief is to intensively investigate tampering, not collusion.
3. You have no idea what info Mueller and other probes have gathered.
4. Evidence will be presented with indictments and Mueller's report.
5. Chickens flap and squawk frantically as the fox nears the henhouse.

Hence, Fox News.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Somewhat incorrect.

Trump drafted a termination letter with Miller assisting him. Said letter was then given to white house counsel McGhan to review. He opposed it because of content and style and the draft letter was given to Rosenstein who drafted his own letter.

https://www.nytimes.com Comey firing letter

Rosenstein defends his termination recommendation letter on the basis of the FACTS surrounding Comey's job performance and testimony.



So your version of events is mostly skewed rather than correct. That Mueller has the draft memo means NOTHING because it doesn't deal with "Russian Collusion" other than Trump's thoughts about Comey's (mis)handling of the collusion investigation as well as the Clinton server fiasco.




Here you're flat wrong.

House Intel panel says there's no evidence Trump colluded with Russia

The Intel committee looked at ALL the available documents that Mueller also looked at/has possession of and concluded there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

Then there's this:


Feinstein has access to the same information Mueller has. If she, a RANKING INTEL COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT, says she's seen no evidence, then there's no evidence. On this you are completely wrong.

But, your article says:

The report’s conclusion is fiercely opposed by Democrats on the committee, who say the panel did not interview enough witnesses or gather enough evidence.

Democrat on the committee, issued a scathing statement. Republicans, he said, had “a fundamentally flawed approach to the investigation”, the conclusions of which he said were “superficial and political”.

The California Democrat went on: “Throughout the investigation, committee Republicans chose not to seriously investigate – or even see, when in plain sight – evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, instead adopting the role of defense counsel for key investigation witnesses.”

The New York Times reported, meanwhile, that the Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort at Trump Tower in June 2016, promising compromising information on Hillary Clinton, has closer ties to the Russian government than she has previously admitted.

Natalia Veselnitskaya reportedly told NBC News in an interview to be broadcast on Friday she was “a lawyer and … an informant” for Russia’s prosecutor general.

Also, Giuliani says that you are incorrect.

Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's new attorney, said in an interview on Fox News that Mr. Trump fired Comey last year "because Comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn't a target" of the special counsel's Russia investigation. The explanation was at least the third offered by Mr. Trump and his advisers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/giulia...dnt-say-trump-wasnt-a-target-of-russia-probe/

 

[Rightguide]

But, your article says:



Also, Giuliani says that you are incorrect.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/giulia...dnt-say-trump-wasnt-a-target-of-russia-probe/

Here's Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey's firing:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767