Do You Forgive Him?

Lost Cause

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For fighting against us, and assisting in the killing of a CIA officer? For renouncing his country, but hiding behind it's laws when he was captured? If not prison, what you'd do with him? Deportation?

WASHINGTON (AP) John Walker Lindh wants Americans to forgive him for joining the Taliban military, where he met other Westerners and is now telling federal agents what he knows, his lawyers say.

Lindh's knowledge of other fighters he met, possibly including detainees held in Cuba, would be of interest to the United States in addition to places he had been in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Before his military training in Afghanistan, he spent time in a pro-Taliban border region of Pakistan.

Lindh, 21, is undergoing debriefings with several government agencies as part of a plea agreement. He would receive a maximum 20-year prison term if officials are satisfied with his cooperation and the judge approves the deal at an Oct. 4 sentencing proceeding. Multiple agencies are attending the debriefings.

The lawyers wouldn't say whether the Westerners included Americans. Authorities know of one other U.S. citizen who fought with the Taliban: Yaser Esam Hamdi, who was born in Louisiana and is being held by the military in Norfolk, Va. Lindh was in a Taliban unit consisting of non-Afghan fighters.

Lindh is being held in the Alexandria, Va., Detention Center and the government's rules of confinement do not permit him to give interviews.

He is confined to his cell virtually the entire day except for the debriefings, family visits and meetings with his lawyers. He hopes to soon be allowed in an outdoor prisoner area.

Still a devout Muslim, Lindh reads the Quran and prays every day.

He spends much of his day reading, picking books from a library cart sent to his cell. His choices have included biographies of Mohandas Gandhi and Nelson Mandela; works by Maya Angelou and James Joyce; and plays by William Shakespeare.

Lindh pleaded guilty July 15 to supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony.

He went to school in Pakistan. While living in a region dominated by Taliban supporters before Sept. 11, he became convinced the Taliban sought to establish a pure Islamic nation and joined their army because he believed in what they were doing.

Lindh would get out of prison when he's 41 if the plea bargain is accepted by a judge. He wants to raise a family in the United States, teach world history and translate Arabic books into English.

:D Say "Hi" to Bubba, Lindh!
 
Lost Cause said:
For fighting against us, and assisting in the killing of a CIA officer? For renouncing his country, but hiding behind it's laws when he was captured? If not prison, what you'd do with him? Deportation?

1. He did not fight against us.
2. He did not "assist" in killing that CIA officer.
3. You cannot deport a US Civillian.

But you, Lost Cause, if you ever come back to this thread, will say that he did # 1 and 2.

But if he did... Why wasn't he convicted of it? Why couldn't the US government prove that he did these thigns?
 
forgive him.....no....
now he's a traitor to two sides of the war. he gave up on America and he sang his heart out to the fed's. he'll be part of a family all right. his cell mate will draw tits on his back and make him wear a mop for a wig. Anyone wanna chip in and get him some lipstick and heels?
 
Spinner....

The CIA guy was killed just hours after talking with Lindh, who knew the guy was American, and why we were there (9-11). Lindh was captured with an AK and a HALF-FULL magazine! FACTS, NOT SPIN! He was fighting with the Taliban, who were absolutely anti-US! He knew American soldiers were occupying the prison, his fellow AMERICANS before the takeover by the prisoners (Lindh was one)! Jeebus, Spin! Do you just take a position to do it, or do you give thought to your questions?
Keep on spinnin'! :D
 
Re: Spinner....

Lost Cause said:
The CIA guy was killed just hours after talking with Lindh, who knew the guy was American, and why we were there (9-11). Lindh was captured with an AK and a HALF-FULL magazine! FACTS, NOT SPIN!

You're right. YOu have facts then you make a huge assumption. Yes, he talked to the guy, but does that mean that he killed him? Those bullets could have been used in any number of different ways.

Get some non-circumstancial evidence and we'll discuss thigns. :D
 
Re: Spinner....

Lost Cause said:
The CIA guy was killed just hours after talking with Lindh, who knew the guy was American, and why we were there (9-11). Lindh was captured with an AK and a HALF-FULL magazine! FACTS, NOT SPIN! He was fighting with the Taliban, who were absolutely anti-US! He knew American soldiers were occupying the prison, his fellow AMERICANS before the takeover by the prisoners (Lindh was one)! Jeebus, Spin! Do you just take a position to do it, or do you give thought to your questions?
Keep on spinnin'! :D

errrr. I saw the footage of lindh being treated by a doctor and interrogated while he was still a patient. American SpecOps immediately grabbed him up. This is on CNN file footage. as far as his weapon I didn't see one nor did I see one near him. the rest I agree with
 
Using that analysis....

An SS gate guard at Treblinka did not take part in the killings inside, right?
Really, the trial isn't until October, where the full case against him will be made. The details of Lindh's capture was by the on-scene journalist with the Special Ops troops. I'm glad he was taken prisoner, I would have killed him where he stood! :D
 
Re: Using that analysis....

Lost Cause said:
I'm glad he was taken prisoner, I would have killed him where he stood! :D

Jesus fucking Christ, what are you? An LA police officer? Over in afghanistan, if somebody kills an American, it MUST be an American! Nevmind that there were THOUSANDS of Taliban/Al-Qaeda troops hanging around.
 
A plea bargain is cut for many reasons, many of which may not be available in the press.

Justice is a higher moral concept and is subjective in nature. The American legal system's purpose is to provide confilct resolution, whether civil or criminal, within societally acceptable guidelines.

Since nobody on the board can possibly have all the facts, including the advice given by the attorneys for the Govt. and Lindh, debate on this matter is pointless except to express whether or not your subjective vision of justice agrees with the decision based upon the limited, often speculative, information you posess at the time you make your opinion.

Personally, I feel the point is moot.
 
Bush gave millions to the Taliban mere months before 9/11.

I would think that probably gave the "enemy" more "aid & comfort" than whatever lame-o Walker may or may not have provided.
 
He is a traitor, just as Jane Fonda was and is a traitor for her trip to North Viet Nam . He recieved the sentence he deserved for his behavior.Perhaps, if this spoiled upper middle class white kid, who had all the advantages, had been taught that there were consequences for the chioces we make, his life would have taken a different turn.
 
bored1 said:
He is a traitor, just as Jane Fonda was and is a traitor for her trip to North Viet Nam . He recieved the sentence he deserved for his behavior.Perhaps, if this spoiled upper middle class white kid, who had all the advantages, had been taught that there were consequences for the chioces we make, his life would have taken a different turn.

He was sentanced for carrying a grenade and bullets. How is that traitorous? Guess what the CIA agent had?
 
Spinaroonie said:


He was sentanced for carrying a grenade and bullets. How is that traitorous? Guess what the CIA agent had?

a red mustache??
 
how about on halloween we dress him up like a lobster and drop him in a pot of boiling water?

pay per view of course
 
You folks sound like you'd like Middle Eastern justice more than American justice. ;)

Me, I'm a big believer in due process and the rights of the individual.
 
I would have killed him where he stood!

Unless S-4 wanted to interrogate him first. Have you been in the military? If so, you should have understood my motive. I hope they have a live webcam in his cell with "Bubba"! :D
 
Laurel said:
You folks sound like you'd like Middle Eastern justice more than American justice. ;)

Me, I'm a big believer in due process and the rights of the individual.

well he did want thier lifestyle.... let him bask in all it's glory
 
Fuck Bubba, put him in a cell with Mike Tyson!:D

The Pay For View Event of the Fucking Year!

:D
 
marksgirl said:
Fuck Bubba, put him in a cell with Mike Tyson!:D

The Pay For View Event of the Fucking Year!

:D

ahhh cannibalism... slow and painful.... we'll get lindh some plastic surgery to make him look like robyn givens
 
You people seem to really want to derrive torture from this man..

But, I need to ask you...

How did this man hurt you?
How did this man cause you SO much grief that you call for such pain to be extracted.
How many days could you barely get out of bed before muttering his name under your breath?

Or perhaps he didn't hurt you, and maybe you barely thought about him except what the news told you.

Perhaps you're just a little tool.
 
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