Do women troll?

[lovecraft68]

Okay, to start I realize gender is never a certainty on the net, even when a person claims to be male/female etc...but I think its easy to tell judging by speech patterns combined with what the troll is bitching about whether or not they're a man.

Also factor in that the worst trolls here are in LW and always frothing about what the whores and bitches in those stories do and the limp wristed simps and cucks who let them, and that is definitely a 'man's gripe'

In fact most of the trolling I receive, other than the simple 'you suck, get an editor, why aren't you dead yet' almost everything is directed at either my female characters or the guys who have the nerve to want to have sex with those awful women. Keep in mind I'm not talking any type of femdom, just the woman-usually older in my stories-generally takes the lead and even though the young guy in the story gets the ride of a lifetime and is happy to get it, somehow he's a wimp. I'm a wimp, and she's a bitch who needs to get hers....that doesn't smack of a woman's viewpoint to me.

At the risk of generalizing, I'm guessing just about every nasty remark I've ever gotten here is from a man, and most of what I see people complaining about here seems to be from men

So....why? Why don't women troll? Not in the personality make up? Not nearly as easily offended as the 'men' here? More here for the sex and story than moral judgement?

 

[Smuttyandfun]

I think you're right. Most of the nasty comments I get are from men, taking umbrage at the thought of their lady behaving badly, at least in their eyes. For the most part, women I think, just enjoy the story and don't try to make it about them.

 

[TheRedChamber]

I'm sitting here about to be the first to comment on this thread (no! beaten to it while wading through the below disclaimer), but as I do so, I feel a sudden chill wind warning me to be cautious . This is possibly a dangerous topic. Speculating on it is going set me to wading into the murky waters of gender politics and that never ends well. Usualy disclaimers for this sorts of thing - not all women, not all men, differences between members of the same gender can be more than those between genders etc...

Firstly, the stereotype is that woman are most definitely as easily offended as men if not more so. My wife regularly spends whole car journeys talking about some slight where my only advice would be 'she probably didn't mean it in the way you are interpreting it, and even if she did, it would be better for your emotional health not to worry about it so much.' I don't like my current line manager very much, which is why I spend as little time thinking or talking about him as possible outside of work. My wife and her manager on the other hand...

Men have more testorerone, especially after reading sexual stories, so they may be more naturally aggressive.

Secondly, I'm reminded about Elaine's line from Seinfeld which goes something like "Women never punch each other - we'll just talk about her behind her back until she develops an eating disorder.' A certain kind of woman can be utterly vicious in discussing another person faults with other woman. In more traditional male circles, the other men probably wouldn't want to listen to such an attack and would probably say something like "If you've got a problem with this guy, just have it out with him, instead of moaning to me". Women don't tend to be as directly confrontational, at least, I'd hazard, unless they are sure there are others there to back them up. Women are probably more likely to call something out if they can phrase it according to it either being politically incorrect (on one hand), or against societial traditions (on the other). That said, there are certain female-based fan groups (i.e Justin Bieber) which are know to be bat-shit crazy as much as any toxically masculine group. The comments board on a Literotica story doesn't really lend itself to this though.

 

[Omenainen]

They might not troll here, but they definitely do troll. Maybe there just isn’t that many women reading. Based on nothing much I am under the impression that the majority of both writers and readers around here are old men.

 

[Rainblow]

Okay, to start I realize gender is never a certainty on the net, even when a person claims to be male/female etc...but I think its easy to tell judging by speech patterns combined with what the troll is bitching about whether or not they're a man.

Also factor in that the worst trolls here are in LW and always frothing about what the whores and bitches in those stories do and the limp wristed simps and cucks who let them, and that is definitely a 'man's gripe'

In fact most of the trolling I receive, other than the simple 'you suck, get an editor, why aren't you dead yet' almost everything is directed at either my female characters or the guys who have the nerve to want to have sex with those awful women. Keep in mind I'm not talking any type of femdom, just the woman-usually older in my stories-generally takes the lead and even though the young guy in the story gets the ride of a lifetime and is happy to get it, somehow he's a wimp. I'm a wimp, and she's a bitch who needs to get hers....that doesn't smack of a woman's viewpoint to me.

At the risk of generalizing, I'm guessing just about every nasty remark I've ever gotten here is from a man, and most of what I see people complaining about here seems to be from men

So....why? Why don't women troll? Not in the personality make up? Not nearly as easily offended as the 'men' here? More here for the sex and story than moral judgement?

Women don't troll because we're intellectually and morally superior to men.

 

[AlexBailey]

Gross generalization here,

The men I've know who were into trolling mostly did so anonymously to random people based on topics, while the women tended to be more personal and elaborate.

 

[lovecraft68]

Women don't troll because we're intellectually and morally superior to men.

I see what you did there.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm sitting here about to be the first to comment on this thread (no! beaten to it while wading through the below disclaimer), but as I do so, I feel a sudden chill wind warning me to be cautious . This is possibly a dangerous topic. Speculating on it is going set me to wading into the murky waters of gender politics and that never ends well. Usualy disclaimers for this sorts of thing - not all women, not all men, differences between members of the same gender can be more than those between genders etc...

Firstly, the stereotype is that woman are most definitely as easily offended as men if not more so. My wife regularly spends whole car journeys talking about some slight where my only advice would be 'she probably didn't mean it in the way you are interpreting it, and even if she did, it would be better for your emotional health not to worry about it so much.' I don't like my current line manager very much, which is why I spend as little time thinking or talking about him as possible outside of work. My wife and her manager on the other hand...

Men have more testorerone, especially after reading sexual stories, so they may be more naturally aggressive.

Secondly, I'm reminded about Elaine's line from Seinfeld which goes something like "Women never punch each other - we'll just talk about her behind her back until she develops an eating disorder.' A certain kind of woman can be utterly vicious in discussing another person faults with other woman. In more traditional male circles, the other men probably wouldn't want to listen to such an attack and would probably say something like "If you've got a problem with this guy, just have it out with him, instead of moaning to me". Women don't tend to be as directly confrontational, at least, I'd hazard, unless they are sure there are others there to back them up. Women are probably more likely to call something out if they can phrase it according to it either being politically incorrect (on one hand), or against societial traditions (on the other). That said, there are certain female-based fan groups (i.e Justin Bieber) which are know to be bat-shit crazy as much as any toxically masculine group. The comments board on a Literotica story doesn't really lend itself to this though.

I get the need for a disclaimer, but its a sad one, not everything has to be a war of the sexes. Men and women are different in their approaches to things. I agree women can be more long term vicious-hell hath no fury- than men. Back in my dumb days I recall myself and another guy beating the crap out of each other, then two days later buying each other drinks and laughing about it.

My mother still bitches to me about something my ex wife said to her 30 years ago.

You make an excellent point about that they call "Stans" on social media who will mindlessly attack anyone who has the audacity to not extoll the amazingness that is their fav celebrity, that does seem to be a more female things from what I've seen.

But I think your view of men being more willing to be confrontational is a thing of the past and blessed be the internet for this as its created a wild west safe haven for big mouths who will not get that beat down we would have back in the day. There was also the never accurate, but said anyway, that men don't whine....yeah, look at the type I'm talking about, all they do is whine and cry, whereas I think women, at least off the bat, tend to roll their eyes and not feel the need to chime in on the stupidity, but as you said, might stew over it for awhile.

This was something I noticed and wondered what other people thought. It probably is about the platform and content here that its more about men because-let's get back to the whining of today's 'man'-their insecurity really comes to the top here when a woman or man doesn't behave in the way they think they should.

They talk a lot of toxic masculinity these days and I find it kind of ironic because to me, men these days, especially younger ones, are lot softer, whinier, and all around more insecure than they used to be. Must be that whole feelings thing, having been raised in the 70's/80's I don't think people realize what toxic is, I often look back to myself in my younger days and thing "Wow, did I do/say that? What was wrong with me?

But we did/said to people, not from the keyboard. Maybe bandwidth courage is more accurate when it comes to toxicity.

 

[lovecraft68]

Gross generalization here,

The men I've know who were into trolling mostly did so anonymously to random people based on topics, while the women tended to be more personal and elaborate.

I agree, I always say my wife can tell someone to 100% go fuck themselves in such and articulate and non inflammatory manner that it takes them some time to process the fact she told them off.

Whereas if it takes me more than four words to drop the first F-bomb or insult, I'm slacking. Its more like guys have that knee jerk go off the deep end immediately style where women are better at plotting and making sure they're taken more seriously. I tell my daughter's no one takes you seriously if you start yelling and get angry....now that they're adults they're quick to point out its why they didn't pay me any attention....karma, am I right?

 

[SimonDoom]

I had never thought to ask this question. Now that I think about it, I cannot remember ever receiving a comment from a reader that identified herself as a woman that I would describe as "trolling." Seems to be a guy thing.

 

[Trionyx]

They might not troll here, but they definitely do troll. Maybe there just isn’t that many women reading. Based on nothing much I am under the impression that the majority of both writers and readers around here are old men.

Is there any reliable data about gender and ages of LE readers?

 

[Smuttyandfun]

I think you're right about the anonymity. Hiding behind a keyboard people feel braver about shooting off their mouths (or typing their little fingers blue). Whereas the same person might not feel as comfortable telling someone off in person.

 

[lovecraft68]

Is there any reliable data about gender and ages of LE readers?

Only that they're all over 18, cause the site makes you click you're over 18 and no one would lie about that!
But seriously, I don't think there is because all it would be based on is what people put in their profiles and biographies, and I wouldn't consider that reliable.

 

[Omenainen]

Is there any reliable data about gender and ages of LE readers?

Not to my knowledge. That’s why I said “based on nothing much.”

 

[stickygirl]

Mumsnet is female trolling.

I think women subscribe to the idea that revenge is a dish best served cold but male-trolls, safe behind a keyboard can pretend to be superior if they are perceived as failures IRL. It must be hard for guys being told as kids that they can do anything, that they're tough, they shouldn't cry, but the reality often falls a long way short. It's not easy to be tough and fulfil dreams and it's unrealistic to expect every man to be 'successful'. Instead the trolls can only drag other people down, to rubbish achievements and deride success out of sheer spite and jealousy.

 

[Winter_Fare]

Is using the Facebook care react on idiots trolling? Probably. I'm a 'concern' troll I guess. Can't be arsed to argue but I get a kick out irritating random people.

 

[lovecraft68]

Is using the Facebook care react on idiots trolling? Probably. I'm a 'concern' troll I guess. Can't be arsed to argue but I get a kick out irritating random people.

Once in awhile when the moods on me I troll on Twitter, I'll drop a tweet on a thread that I know will send them frothing, but I never go back and look. Its like throwing a cherry bomb into a toilet and running. I mean, not that I ever did that....

 

[Winter_Fare]

Once in awhile when the moods on me I troll on Twitter, I'll drop a tweet on a thread that I know will send them frothing, but I never go back and look. Its like throwing a cherry bomb into a toilet and running. I mean, not that I ever did that....

ADHD helps. Fire and forget! Literally in my case!

 

[lovecraft68]

Mumsnet is female trolling.

I think women subscribe to the idea that revenge is a dish best served cold but male-trolls, safe behind a keyboard can pretend to be superior if they are perceived as failures IRL. It must be hard for guys being told as kids that they can do anything, that they're tough, they shouldn't cry, but the reality often falls a long way short. It's not easy to be tough and fulfil dreams and it's unrealistic to expect every man to be 'successful'. Instead the trolls can only drag other people down, to rubbish achievements and deride success out of sheer spite and jealousy.

I recall being fivish and my father telling me only little girls and sissies cry. That was sadly the norm for 'my day', and I see now its not right, not fair, and a lot of men my age and older got caught up in it, showing feelings or weakness was wrong. We're men dammit

Having said that, as always we fall to how there seems to be no middle ground in anything and I see all these whiny men incel you tubers now blaming women that they can't show feelings-cause women are to blame for everything-and its their fault, not our misled fathers, or other male influences in our lives, that made it seem we can't have feelings, and they are way to far to the other extreme. The new game is to now pretend they're alone by choice, women aren't worth it...want a laugh check out some asshat named Better Bachelor on Youtube, just follow the stench of bitter men it takes you there faster than the link.

The LW trolling is definitely cold male insecurity driven, but I don't tie it all into the points you made, that takes introspection and effort to come to those terms, these are just hate filled little men who have decided as I said above to blame women for every issue they have in life, and their CMI manifests are raw vitriolic hate, and transports them into that "I'm a real man" they claim they shouldn't have to be...an endless loop of dysfunction.

I think I was in my mid teens and in a foster home when I received the best advice in regards to this topic from my foster dad. "Being a man is never worrying about what it means to be a man"

I would later add to it that all that matters is at the end of the day you can look in the mirror and tell yourself you did okay that day, and if you didn't tomorrow was another chance. That need not apply strictly to men, but anyone.

Another thing that's so simple, people screw it up.

 

[MsNatalie99]

Simplest answer... Yes. Women troll too. I've been trolled by men, women, gay, straight, left, right, religious, athiest, black, white, etc etc etc. I've also done my share of trolling. In every demographic there's always at least one asshole waiting to ruin your day.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Trolling in the classic sense of saying stuff you don't actually believe, or overstating a position, in order to trigger a reaction - yes, women do that, often very well. I couldn't possibly personally comment.

Maybe not as often just because not so many women spend so much time online.

Trolling in the sense of wanging out abusive messages to anyone who doesn't adhere to how they think the world should be? Much rarer, from women, I think. Or girls - I think a huge proportion of "fuck off with this simp cuck shit" level comments are from teenage boys, simply from how the amount of them used to rocket on certain sites like Mumsnet every half-term and school holiday...

Fear of doxxing could be part of it, too. I've had old Livejournal comments of mine appear on Mumsnet, for example (friend had crap security settings), so I'm under no illusions that someone who put the effort in couldn't guess at my identity from here or elsewhere on the internet, but I hope to have enough plausible deniability and room for doubt so as to avoid another stalker.

 

[Badvibez]

Okay, to start I realize gender is never a certainty on the net, even when a person claims to be male/female etc...but I think its easy to tell judging by speech patterns combined with what the troll is bitching about whether or not they're a man.

Also factor in that the worst trolls here are in LW and always frothing about what the whores and bitches in those stories do and the limp wristed simps and cucks who let them, and that is definitely a 'man's gripe'

In fact most of the trolling I receive, other than the simple 'you suck, get an editor, why aren't you dead yet' almost everything is directed at either my female characters or the guys who have the nerve to want to have sex with those awful women. Keep in mind I'm not talking any type of femdom, just the woman-usually older in my stories-generally takes the lead and even though the young guy in the story gets the ride of a lifetime and is happy to get it, somehow he's a wimp. I'm a wimp, and she's a bitch who needs to get hers....that doesn't smack of a woman's viewpoint to me.

At the risk of generalizing, I'm guessing just about every nasty remark I've ever gotten here is from a man, and most of what I see people complaining about here seems to be from men

So....why? Why don't women troll? Not in the personality make up? Not nearly as easily offended as the 'men' here? More here for the sex and story than moral judgement?

Women absolutely troll. Women usually direct it towards belittling a person due to jealousy or insecurity. Women can be vile to each other.

 

[stickygirl]

Big boys don't cry is the go-to for illustrating the inability of men to express emotions, but they suppress other emotions too. Men often insulate themselves from emotions because they perceive them as a loss of control - they don't like how they feel, so they try to stop them happening instead of accepting and embracing them. The emotions they are left with are negative ones: anger, jealous, depression and those are all kindling wood for aggression and violence.

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

Yes they do. They just do it differently than men.

 

[lovecraft68]

Simplest answer... Yes. Women troll too. I've been trolled by men, women, gay, straight, left, right, religious, athiest, black, white, etc etc etc. I've also done my share of trolling. In every demographic there's always at least one asshole waiting to ruin your day.

I like that you admit every demographic trolls. There are people here who claim every troll is from the "alt right" things like that are dangerous, gives the impression you should trust someone just because they're on 'your side' of whatever fence is being discussed. Shitty behavior is limited to one group...people.