Do we really do this, in our lives? Or here?

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[Liar]

Um. from where, and in what context was that quote taken?

Spontaneously, I'd say it sounds like amateur hour philosophy after chewing too much sunflower seeds. Along with karma and auras and astral bodes and whatnot. Works as belief, as long as it's treated that way. But it might make sense if it wasn't yanked out of context like that. Who said it, about what, and why?

 

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[CharleyH]

Got fascinated by the possibilities of this:

". . . the collective pain of humanity that goes back a long, long time.

This pain body is an energy field within you that sporadically takes you over because it needs to experience more emotional pain for it to feed on and replenish itself."

Is there such a thing as a collective pain? If so, has it really been here a "long, long time."? Does it operate in our lives? Do we have it here even?

Do we do things collectively like this and then they become embued with a life of their own which we provide it with?

What do you think? I'm really wondering about the possibilities that might be in this. Serious thoughts, as well as the usual gadflys welcome.

Peace.

Where there is belief in collective unconscious (JUNG) - I'm sure there must be belief in collective pain.

 

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[Liar]

Ah, good question. However, I prefer it to be "amateur hour" this time since most here are as myself, simply tyros. Let your mind go as if it was a most serious thing to consider, if you will, if you can.

Then my honest and serious answer as above stands. Sounds like baloney to cover something natural in hocus pocus to make it seem less scary.

 

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[Liar]

Thank you, kind squirrel. And beware, Charlie is prowling about . . .

Cue the Jaws theme.

 

[CharleyH]

Thank you, lovely. But do we ourselves create it with our own selves, give it reality of the "living?" And if so, how? What think ye, gorgeous one?

Well now ... difficult question- but, yes love, we can 'decide' to make it pain us.

 

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[CharleyH]

Thank you, kind squirrel. And beware, Charlie is prowling about . . .

Any other thoughts? Anyone? How about it having been here a "long, long time."?

PS - I have NOT seen a squirrel in Europe, yet. lol THANK GOD!

 

[The_Fool]

If a loved one is in pain, do you share the pain through sympathetic association?

In the event of a major catastrophe, do you grieve for others, even though you do not know them?

If you witness an injury, do you wince in empathy when pain is associated with the injury?

Now on to the collective part.

Do you maintain some memory of the feeling of pain, grief or sympathy after the incident is no longer relevant, assuming it is ever no longer relevant?


My interpretation of this is that it is less an aura or energy that affects and rather a memory that implants, reinforces and influences.

 

[CharleyH]

As a "collective" thing? As if an "evil" thing, so to speak, going about seeking to drain us with our pain so it may "live?"

How so? Tell me more? I do not believe in evil.

 

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[CharleyH]

Do you maintain some memory of the feeling of pain, grief or sympathy after the incident is no longer relevant, assuming it is ever no longer relevant?

My interpretation of this is that it is less an aura or energy that affects and rather a memory that implants, reinforces and influences.

I guess my first question is what does memory look like? My second is how does it differ from anything else?

 

[The_Fool]

I guess my first question is what does memory look like? My second is how does it differ from anything else?

Memory is data in storage, it is an electrical impulse. Pointing to that memory are ques that "remind" us of "something." That something can be a sensation associated with any, some or all of the five, six or seven senses, depending on what planet you grew up on. It can also be associative, in that the pain associated with being burned can be assocated with the memory of touching a hot stove.

We, as humans, respond to our environments. Reponses are based on current information as well as stored information. One form of stored information is memory. Another is instinct. For lack of better terms, I will use those. Memory is information that we have assimilated as part of life. Instinct is information that is "hardwired" into us from birth.

 

[CharleyH]

Remember the first post I made:

" This pain body is an energy field within you that sporadically takes you over because it needs to experience more emotional pain for it to feed on and replenish itself."

Is this possible. Now go to Fools post, and consider, just as an example, though not of evil in what we all felt, but our "collective" consciousness, if we had one, after 911, or any such as that. Do we create consciousnesses, some of which are painful to us "collectively," and them live as if independent lives?

I honestly can't feel it. I am sure I was empathetic during 9/11 but I am not so certain I am empathetic any more .... I think we all have personal pain ... but a collective pain? I was never sure Jung was correct, despite my questions to you. Yes, I think society creates a consciousness of pain, otherwise Germany in WW2 would never have occurred, I guess.

 

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[The_Fool]

That's interesting. The Fool says we are "hardwired" to react "instinctively."

How might the "hardwire" be considered? Is it something we created as a culture, or collective? Is instinct the way we "read" our "hardwiring?" Could this then be considered "collective?"

Lets take the computer metaphor a little further. Within most computing devices there are two types of memory. Memory that is constant and common across all like devices. ROM. And memory that is written and overwritten as necessary, dynamic in nature. Unique to each device and dependant upon its own individual operation. RAM. As changes are made in the program, information that has become common, relative and frequently used by all devices, can be moved from RAM to ROM.

Can this happen to humans too?

 

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[CharleyH]

That's interesting. The Fool says we are "hardwired" to react "instinctively."

How might the "hardwire" be considered? Is it something we created as a culture, or collective? Is instinct the way we "read" our "hardwiring?" Could this then be considered "collective?"

Culturally, love. Hard-wired is to be a slave of contemporary culture and I think most of us (putting ourselves in Nazi Germany) may have reacted the same as the German people did and as we do now, after all, and in context of Iraq, which had nothing at ALL to do with 9/11.

We are all cultural slaves until we decide we are not, I suppose.

 

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[CharleyH]

Now that's interesting. How might we "not" be cultural slaves if we are born into it? How do we decide to do that?

We make a choice.

 

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[CharleyH]

Sounds good. But if we have it inbred in us, it is habitual, and we don't normally see what is habitual, we just accept it for the most part.

It seems that it may be possible to have a "culture" of not only pain, perhaps, but of other things too (why stop at pain, huh?). If we can do it nationally, as seems possible, do we do it as a group? Here? And if so, does it feed on itself as with a life of its own?

You never answered my queries.