do they know what poetry is?

[WickedEve]

I just read a new poem. Actually, it's a non-poem (IMO). And since it's online for the entire internet public to read, then I'd like to discuss it.

A BDSM Haiku
by moonglowkitten ©

Whip me, beat me
make me cum.
You’re my Master.

It's not haiku. It isn't what haiku is about. It isn't even poetic. It's a statement with line breaks, but already it has one good feedback. Do you think the majority of people no longer know what poetry really is? How do you even tell a new poet that she just wrote something that isn't a poem? At least, in my opinion, it's not. I know many lit members don't really care about poetry. All they want is to submit their group of words for one reason or the other--like for their master, lover, to see their words online, etc.

I suppose I shouldn't let it concern me. I know there are other forums and sites that more about poetry than lit, but I think the readers of lit represent the average reader. And the average reader and writer wants TV dinner poetry--easy and instant gratification.

 

[flyguy69]

I just read a new poem. Actually, it's a non-poem (IMO). And since it's online for the entire internet public to read, then I'd like to discuss it.

A BDSM Haiku
by moonglowkitten ©

Whip me, beat me
make me cum.
You’re my Master.

It's not haiku. It isn't what haiku is about. It isn't even poetic. It's a statement with line breaks, but already it has one good feedback. Do you think the majority of people no longer know what poetry really is? How do you even tell a new poet that she just wrote something that isn't a poem? At least, in my opinion, it's not. I know many lit members don't really care about poetry. All they want is to submit their group of words for one reason or the other--like for their master, lover, to see their words online, etc.

I suppose I shouldn't let it concern me. I know there are other forums and sites that more about poetry than lit, but I think the readers of lit represent the average reader. And the average reader and writer wants TV dinner poetry--easy and instant gratification.

What time's dinner? I'll bring a box of wine.

 

[eagleyez]

I just read a new poem. Actually, it's a non-poem (IMO). And since it's online for the entire internet public to read, then I'd like to discuss it.

A BDSM Haiku
by moonglowkitten ©

Whip me, beat me
make me cum.
You’re my Master.

It's not haiku. It isn't what haiku is about. It isn't even poetic. It's a statement with line breaks, but already it has one good feedback. Do you think the majority of people no longer know what poetry really is? How do you even tell a new poet that she just wrote something that isn't a poem? At least, in my opinion, it's not. I know many lit members don't really care about poetry. All they want is to submit their group of words for one reason or the other--like for their master, lover, to see their words online, etc.

I suppose I shouldn't let it concern me. I know there are other forums and sites that more about poetry than lit, but I think the readers of lit represent the average reader. And the average reader and writer wants TV dinner poetry--easy and instant gratification.

Can't Stand TV Dinners,
Chicken Pot Pies
I truly despise.

Nor Tater Tots
With Catsup and Pepper,
Now put the Pennies on my eyez.......

 

[flyguy69]

Can't Stand TV Dinners,
Chicken Pot Pies
I truly despise.

Nor Tater Tots
With Catsup and Pepper,
Now put the Pennies on my eyez.......

I may not know much, but that's a poem!

 

[Sara Crewe]

Can't Stand TV Dinners,
Chicken Pot Pies
I truly despise.

Nor Tater Tots
With Catsup and Pepper,
Now put the Pennies on my eyez.......

Are tater tots baby potatoes?

Should we protest their consumption the same way people do with veal and lamb?

 

[WickedEve]

As soon as I wrote it, I thought TV Dinner Poetry would be a good title for a poem.

And I really shouldn't have signaled out the one word group. It's just one example of many word groups being called poetry. Over the years, I have learned to be passive here on the literotica poetry board. I feel like a subdued mushroom who whispers, "Nice poem." Or "Good effort." That's not how I learned to write better poetry. But god help me, you can't be very honest with most poets anymore. You try to leave constructive feedback for a newbie, and someone will swoop down to defend their words and call you a troll for not seeing the brilliance in a cliche statement that's pretending to be a poem.

Okay, people. Write your poetry about TV dinners.

 

[TheRainMan]

Do you think the majority of people no longer know what poetry really is?

I know you're not supposed to answer a question with a question, but your question implies that at some time, somewhere in the world, the majority of people knew what poetry was . . .

When would that have been, exactly?

How do you even tell a new poet that she just wrote something that isn't a poem? At least, in my opinion, it's not.

It isn't in my opinion, either.

I suppose you just tell them, and try to explain why -- but often that doesn't work around here. They simply won't care, or think you're putting them down, or being elitist, or come up with some rebuttal that makes sense to them but not to you.

I suppose I shouldn't let it concern me. I know there are other forums and sites that more about poetry than lit, but I think the readers of lit represent the average reader. And the average reader and writer wants TV dinner poetry--easy and instant gratification.

Yep.

So have some wine instead . . . from a glass bottle, preferably.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

You try to leave constructive feedback for a newbie, and someone will swoop down to defend their words and call you a troll for not seeing the brilliance in a cliche statement that's pretending to be a poem.

.

You forgot about rabid dogs...I am know I have been branded as one but you know what I say? Piss-off if they can't take it, if you didn't want it to be commented on or critiqued then you shouldn't have put it out there for everyone to read. I'm not going to candy coat anything. <except Fly, >

 

[WickedEve]

I know you're not supposed to answer a question with a question, but your question implies that at some time, somewhere in the world, the majority of people knew what poetry was . . .

When would that have been, exactly?

1923, late summer.

 

[TheRainMan]

1923, late summer.

thanks.

 

[WickedEve]

You forgot about rabid dogs...I am know I have been branded as one but you know what I say? Piss-off if they can't take it, if you didn't want it to be commented on or critiqued then you shouldn't have put it out there for everyone to read. I'm not going to candy coat anything. <except Fly, >

Candy-coated fly is a delicacy in Myanmar.

 

[eagleyez]

Are tater tots baby potatoes?

Should we protest their consumption the same way people do with veal and lamb?

*Brilliant*

Yes, and Fish Sticks too.
Old School Catholic children
Deserve the papal recrimination, for
Somewhere its Friday at the Zoo.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

Candy-coated fly is a delicacy in Myanmar.

want some?

 

[WickedEve]

want some?

I heard candy-coated fly has been nibbled so much that it's best not to even take a lick.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

I heard candy-coated fly has been nibbled so much that it's best not to even take a lick.

laughing...

it still tastes pretty good though, here have one of the wings

 

[minsue]

Warning - threadjack interrupted with serious question

What is poetry anyway?

I honestly don't know. I don't consider most of what I have posted on Lit to be poetry. It's doodling with words and pictures. A couple of them I even really like, but I don't consider them to be poetry.

So what is poetry? The more I try to define it, the more confuzzled I become.

O masters, please help. (oddly, there is no sarcasm in that statement)


[/threadjack interruption]

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

you can thank Tzara for this one

Do not forget that a poem, though composed in the language of information, is not used in the language-game of giving information.—Zettel

What is poetry anyway?

I honestly don't know. I don't consider most of what I have posted on Lit to be poetry. It's doodling with words and pictures. A couple of them I even really like, but I don't consider them to be poetry.

So what is poetry? The more I try to define it, the more confuzzled I become.

O masters, please help. (oddly, there is no sarcasm in that statement)


[/threadjack interruption]

 

[Maria2394]

As soon as I wrote it, I thought TV Dinner Poetry would be a good title for a poem.

And I really shouldn't have signaled out the one word group. It's just one example of many word groups being called poetry. Over the years, I have learned to be passive here on the literotica poetry board. I feel like a subdued mushroom who whispers, "Nice poem." Or "Good effort." That's not how I learned to write better poetry. But god help me, you can't be very honest with most poets anymore. You try to leave constructive feedback for a newbie, and someone will swoop down to defend their words and call you a troll for not seeing the brilliance in a cliche statement that's pretending to be a poem.

Okay, people. Write your poetry about TV dinners.

Eve, ya know, its a sad day when that is true but it is. I was reading some of the poems yesterday and thought...oh no, I wanted to make comments, but...

so many of the new names, I dont know them, I dont feel like stepping into, causing inadvertantly, or being accidentally being embroiled in another TRoll scandal, it sucks and it made me thinkk, you know, the people that care about poetry seeek out FB, so I wont take any pains to offer it. I am ashamed of myself...I really am...I was helped by so many here and now I am afraid to help out, fee like its almost a waste of time.

and EE, IM with you, tater tots are NASTY!!!!

 

[Liar]

What is poetry anyway?

Poe-try: Attempting to do what Edgar did.

 

[minsue]

you can thank Tzara for this one

Do not forget that a poem, though composed in the language of information, is not used in the language-game of giving information.—Zettel

Poe-try: Attempting to do what Edgar did.

Very helpful.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

Very helpful.

Poetry is different for each of us, much like garden plants. Some poems are structured elements, giving backbone to the whole scheme. These poems show their strength in form, the evergreens if you will.
Some poetry is summer, like roses, blossom filled beauty and will catch your breath just to behold them. Some shaped and pruned, some free form and whimsical ...all poems have their place, albeit some have their place in a refuse bag with the clippings but they all have their place none the less...

canned version: poetry is what you want it to be, no more, no less.

 

[minsue]

canned version: poetry is what you want it to be, no more, no less.

Kinda my point

I suppose it's like porn - I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

 

[Liar]

Ok then. here's a serious answer.

Here is the Liar Analoge poetryness scale, with the two poliatities:

prose -------------------------------------- poetry

Prose in it's is purest form is denotative text, that prints out exactly the facts that it wants to deliver, and only that. It's designed to inform.

Poetry in it's purest form is connotative text, that prints out exactly that which will cause the desired emotional reaction in the reader. It's designed to inspire.

The poem Eve mejntioned, I'd place about... here.

prose -X------------------------------------ poetry

It's about as prosey as it gets. If I was the "Master" it was adressed to, I'd react with "Well, duh. I know that already."

But then again, I'm not said master. (S)he might get all mushy from reading it, what do I know?

 

[minsue]

Ok then. here's a serious answer.

Here is the Liar Analoge poetryness scale, with the two poliatities:

prose -------------------------------------- poetry

Prose in it's is purest form is denotative text, that prints out exactly the facts that it wants to deliver, and only that. It's designed to inform.

Poetry in it's purest form is connotative text, that prints out exactly that which will cause the desired emotional reaction in the reader. It's designed to inspire.

The poem Eve mejntioned, I'd place about... here.

prose -X------------------------------------ poetry

It's about as prosey as it gets. If I was the "Master" it was adressed to, I'd react with "Well, duh. I know that already."

But then again, I'm not said master. (S)he might get all mushy from reading it, what do I know?

I knew there was a reason I bowed to you.

 

[WickedEve]

I knew there was a reason I bowed to you.

He strapped a load of firewood to your back, and you couldn't stand up straight?