Do they HONESTLY Think...

[PastMaster]

I have been told, by someone on here, who I actually quite like and respect that LW stories are written by trash, for trash. However that aside - some comments that I got for my latest offering in that catagory has made me wonder if readers struggle to separate fiction and reality. Having written a story about a hitman who killed cheating spouses - I've been lectured on the morality of cheating versus murder, been acused of being a mass murderer, and even here, in an authors forum where I thought that people would actually be able to tell the difference, been subject to some quite 'interesting feedback'
What surprises me even more is that the so called violence in my story isnt actually particularly graphic, its a killing true - but when put up against say the brutal rape and snuff scene i read in another story on this site (Even though snuff is supposed to be banned - as is torture) it's practically kindergarten. Even against modern mainstream media - computer games and movies - I doubt it would rate more than a PG15 certificate.
So what is it about this particular story is it that is triggering people? and why is it that people don't seem to be able to distinguish what someone might write in a story - and what they might do in real life.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

There are some very lovely, very well-written tales in LW, but there is also a lurking subculture which reveals a disturbing amount about our society. I wouldn’t dream of writing there, frankly. And, yes, there are people who absolutely cannot tell fact from fiction.

 

[PastMaster]

Just another "Oh, look at Me! I posted in LW, and now people are reacting!" Wasn't it time for underage now?

really?
If you must know the first stories i've been posting int LW all along, and have had reactions all along - but the reaction to this particular story has been particularly vehement. And since you appear to be particularly looking for a fight..... You're not even worth it.

 

[IWillEndYou]

I've spent time on these boards in the last few days, so I've noticed certain exchanges go down and I feel the need to break my usual silence by offering an honest characterization of what this OP is claiming.

The OP claims that a particular poster described LW stories as trash written for trash. This is mischaracterized. What the poster actually said, is that the LW revenge stories that center on violence and murder inflicted on cheating wives, are trash written for trash. This description was not extended to every LW story in existence.

The relevant thread is here: https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-competition-for-“most-extreme-violence”-heats-up.1583102/

Also note from both that thread and this one, that the OP is quick to hurl vitriol at other posters, even when their remarks contained no personal attacks.

That is all.

Carry on, folks.

 

[PastMaster]

I've spent time on these boards in the last few days, so I've noticed certain exchanges go down and I feel the need to break my usual silence by offering an honest characterization of what this OP is claiming.

The OP claims that a particular poster described LW stories as trash written for trash. This is mischaracterized. What the poster actually said, is that the LW revenge stories that center on violence and murder inflicted on cheating wives, are trash written for trash. This description was not extended to every LW story in existence.

The relevant thread is here: https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-competition-for-“most-extreme-violence”-heats-up.1583102/

Also note from both that thread and this one, that the OP is quick to hurl vitriol at other posters, even when their remarks contained no personal attacks.

That is all.

Carry on, folks.

the op claims exactly what happened the actual comment was

No you put it in LW to get the adoration of the garbage you seek to inspire. As I've said many times and will again just for you. These stories are written by trash for trash.

that is their entire post. so there is nothing about them being centred on violence or murder.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Oh look, another argument. Such fun - not.

Em

 

[PastMaster]

nope - not engaging

 

[MajorRewrite]

I started that thread over in Story Feedback. My aim wasn’t to dump on your story in particular. I was pointing out the many violent revenge stories written by and for the BTB guys in the LW category and how the violence is escalating over time.

I referenced two stories in the thread. In one, a man’s fingers were chopped off in front of his innocent wife’s eyes. And in your story, the “hero” is a serial killer.

Yes, I know it’s fiction, and there is a lot of violence in fiction. But I also know this is an erotic story site so I think the potential for readers getting their jollies off of violence is real and disturbing.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I will just repeat in different words what I've already said about your story. I haven't read the story, so I am basing this only on how the story was described in the other thread.
Murder and death and torture are not the issue here. The fact that there is an air of satisfaction, that the character was justified in doing it is what is the problem. Once again, that is the impression I have gotten from the thread and if that is true, then yes, it deserves strong criticism. If that is not the case then all of this is void. You might actually make me read the category I never read, so I could say my opinion with far more conviction.
Damn, is this your way of popularizing the story?

 

[PastMaster]

I started that thread over in Story Feedback. My aim wasn’t to dump on your story in particular. I was pointing out the many violent revenge stories written by and for the BTB guys in the LW category and how the violence is escalating over time.

I referenced two stories in the thread. In one, a man’s fingers were chopped off in front of his innocent wife’s eyes. And in your story, the “hero” is a serial killer.

Yes, I know it’s fiction, and there is a lot of violence in fiction. But I also know this is an erotic story site so I think the potential for readers getting their jollies off of violence is real and disturbing.

Your post wasn't one of the ones to which I was referring. I actually agree with all you say as i said on the thread.

I can't say why others read these stories. It may be as you say that they are sitting beating off thinking of the pain and suffering. That is a very disturbing thought.

The escalation of violence in the stories on here may be just a reflection of the way things are going in society as a whole. But again - my story - in the scheme of things wasnt particularly violent -
as another poster said...

[your story is ] Not really promoting violence in the usual sense, no. I bet my own stories have much more death and fighting than yours,

I was just curious as to why this story seemed to have caused such a severe reaction - Try reading Bobby Brandts Heavy Traffic - and see what goes on in there. then tell me my story is violent.

The final thought -again is that what happened in the story is within the posting rules of Literotica.

 

[PastMaster]

I will just repeat in different words what I've already said about your story. I haven't read the story, so I am basing this only on how the story was described in the other thread.
Murder and death and torture are not the issue here. The fact that there is an air of satisfaction, that the character was justified in doing it is what is the problem. Once again, that is the impression I have gotten from the thread and if that is true, then yes, it deserves strong criticism. If that is not the case then all of this is void. You might actually make me read the category I never read, so I could say my opinion with far more conviction.
Damn, is this your way of popularizing the story?

The MC did what he did in the story - It's upto the reader to decide if they are satisfied or appalled with his action.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Then don't get surprised when you get angry feedback. I've just read the last half of your story, and yes you are making it as if your MC was acting righteously in doing what he did. It is not a chaptered story and we won't be seeing the MC falling further into darkness and then see his pain and regret for doing what he did, nor we will see him going on some redemption path. You ended the story basically by giving a sense of justification for your MC hitman for torturing and killing the man who slept with his wife, and then for killing that same wife, even though she even shows some regret and says she never meant to hurt the MC.
Once again, it is your choice to write such a story, but your surprise at the reactions is mind-boggling to say the least. If I was one of your readers, I would criticize the fucked up morality of your story. Yet the fact that the story has such a good score for LW category says a lot about the readership there. I am really starting to believe that LC's disdain LW readers is not exaggerated at all.

 

[PastMaster]

for torturing and killing the man who slept with his wife,

He didnt torture him - he just sat and chatted to him, actually quite amicably sharing a beer with him, He didnt do anything other than kill him. - no torture at all.

I am really starting to believe that LC's disdain LW readers is not exaggerated at all.

It really isn't

 

[Defluer]

I didn't read the story either but... JUST LIKE WITH OUR STORIES IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR THE SUBJECT OF THE FORUM POST DON'T CONTINUE READING IT!!!!!!!! AND FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER DEITY YOU BELIEVE IN... DON'T REPLY WITH STUPID CONDESCENDING COMMENTS!!!

As far as getting on a high horse about what happens in certain types of stories... Read the caps sentence above. Isn't that exactly what we think of the Trolls in LW? They don't like it so they call it Garbage. We say, "Why do they bother wasting their time reading it and then commenting on how they hate X or Y about it. They can just read another story!" Then we flip it in here? Say, "I hate it when the Trolls do that but can you believe this Trash is being written?" I'm baffled at where this world is going sometimes. Everyone is so addicted to feeling superior to other people. To proving that their opinion is better than others.

Stories of hitmen and murderous revenge are not for me. I don't Yuck Somebody's Yum as long as their Yum isn't actually hurting anybody or anything then... What of it?

You could probably do serious psychological deep dives into every Genre of Literotica and come away with, "This maybe fucking people up!" I mean consider that 90% of the stories here involve Hour Glass figure women with huge tits and perfect asses and described something like, "The hottest woman in town!" Or that guys are fit have giant 10+ Inch dicks that get hard instantly at a person they're attracted to being in the room. We're perpetuating IMPOSSIBLE STANDARDS! We're passing it off as the norm, story after story. That seems more dangerous to me. It could be construed we're saying, most people have no place having sex.

How about story after story where a spouse should just get used to their Significant Other cheating on them, fucking people literally right in front of them!! Being emotionally tortured like that week after week, year after year. By somebody they love. Is that something that we want? Isn't that, "Real and disturbing"?

I write incest, you don't even have to go into that to know most people would think that, "Real and disturbing"

A crazy Hollywood movie plot of a serial killer who murders cheaters gets filed away in a whole other part of my brain.

But yes, we've all been saying that some commenters can't read the room. This is just another case of that and there ain't nothing we can do about it. But if anyplace is the place for venting. This is it. Let people vent who want to vent and if you've "transcended above that petty topic" then simply don't be a part of it.

It really is simple. Don't bother reading it. Don't fathom responding. Move along, move along.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

He didnt torture him - he just sat and chatted to him, actually quite amicably sharing a beer with him, He didnt do anything other than kill him. - no torture at all.

I haven't really read that part of the story, although I thought I remembered someone saying in the other thread that torture was involved. My bad.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I haven't really read that part of the story, although I thought I remembered someone saying in the other thread that torture was involved. My bad.

There were two different stories. "The Hit Man" didn't have torture; the other, "500 Times Revenge," by a different writer, absolutely did.

 

[lovecraft68]

I have been told, by someone on here, who I actually quite like and respect that LW stories are written by trash, for trash. However that aside - some comments that I got for my latest offering in that catagory has made me wonder if readers struggle to separate fiction and reality. Having written a story about a hitman who killed cheating spouses - I've been lectured on the morality of cheating versus murder, been acused of being a mass murderer, and even here, in an authors forum where I thought that people would actually be able to tell the difference, been subject to some quite 'interesting feedback'
What surprises me even more is that the so called violence in my story isnt actually particularly graphic, its a killing true - but when put up against say the brutal rape and snuff scene i read in another story on this site (Even though snuff is supposed to be banned - as is torture) it's practically kindergarten. Even against modern mainstream media - computer games and movies - I doubt it would rate more than a PG15 certificate.
So what is it about this particular story is it that is triggering people? and why is it that people don't seem to be able to distinguish what someone might write in a story - and what they might do in real life.

Short answer, yes they seem to think these are real life situations and project themselves into it, especially anything with a revenge motif because it gives the turds this feeling of "yes, exactly what a real man like me would do"

Then the opposite when its a cheating story and they're acting as if its them being cheated on by a person who end of the day isn't even real.

Thing is I think even in a positive way people sometimes want to see stories as real, especially ones with a fun or romantic angle, that's why they're always asking for more, or suggesting what so and so could do next

But in LW its just about mostly in the negative sense.

 

[alohadave]

Then the opposite when its a cheating story and they're acting as if its them being cheated on by a person who end of the day isn't even real.

I've wondered more than once if some of these commenters have been cheated on and want some kind of vicarious retribution.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've wondered more than once if some of these commenters have been cheated on and want some kind of vicarious retribution.

That's my guess going by how worked up they get. I also think over the last few years the incels have swarmed the category and they hate women in general, and just use the cheating aspect(and is it really cheating in many of the stories?) to justify their anger.

 

[Lifestyle66]

What gets me are these ever repeated threads of "What to do to STOP/FIX these 1-bombers." Or "How should we handle these anonymous hateful comments? "They must be from some type of trolls who were ______ in the past, and now overly obsessed thinking this is real!"

Really? And you're all not seeing pot-kettle?

Put it in perspective: 5,000 people view a story ... ONLY about 100-150 might bother to click a star rating ... and only about 2 or 3 of those will type a comment. And people obsess over the opinions of 2 or 3 readers? Out of thousands?

 

[lovecraft68]

If I was one of your readers, I would criticize the fucked up morality of your story. .

Some readers would, and maybe did. But the BTB type relish this type of story.
That's the thing with that category, something that appalls some is the sweet spot for the other faction and vice versa.

I've posted things there that tick off one faction-the woman hating/cuck hating type-but I would never post anything to encourage them, but that's me.

I've mentioned my last story there is below 3. But I bet if I were to have ended the story with the husband getting fed the fuck up with the wife and her lover and whipping out a Glock and shooting both of them I'd be over a 4 because I think the shitheads are growing over time and the decent readership is dwindling because they're tired of getting attacked in comments by lunatics and also tired of some of the crap some authors are churning out to appease the jackals.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just to show the double standard here. There's a lot of BTB torture style stories. They seem to continue to exist and be published. I know of one years ago reported by multiple people for some horrific content and last I checked was still there.

Now in my time here I have had one story kicked back, and it was after being live for a few months. It was kicked back for violent content after being reported. Thing is it was violent but the violence was directed at men by the woman getting revenge for being gang raped.

So some POS guy who got offended that a woman can get bloody revenge had to report the story, meanwhile women just deal with all the trash in LW and the full blown rape stories in NC because...well they're not whiny pussies who complain...you know, like certain types of men do.

I'd love to see a "hitwoman" version and see how bad that was trashed and most likely reported, at least in LW. Horror it would be fine because pretty much anything is.

Also, as a side conversation, what do people here think the percentage of female readers is in LW? I'm thinking rather low.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Some readers would, and maybe did. But the BTB type relish this type of story.
That's the thing with that category, something that appalls some is the sweet spot for the other faction and vice versa.

I've posted things there that tick off one faction-the woman hating/cuck hating type-but I would never post anything to encourage them, but that's me.

I've mentioned my last story there is below 3. But I bet if I were to have ended the story with the husband getting fed the fuck up with the wife and her lover and whipping out a Glock and shooting both of them I'd be over a 4 because I think the shitheads are growing over time and the decent readership is dwindling because they're tired of getting attacked in comments by lunatics and also tired of some of the crap some authors are churning out to appease the jackals.

The categories I write in are almost boringly vanilla in comparison. One more reason to stay away from LW .

 

[TheRedChamber]

I have been told, by someone on here, who I actually quite like and respect that LW stories are written by trash, for trash. However that aside - some comments that I got for my latest offering in that catagory has made me wonder if readers struggle to separate fiction and reality. Having written a story about a hitman who killed cheating spouses - I've been lectured on the morality of cheating versus murder, been acused of being a mass murderer, and even here, in an authors forum where I thought that people would actually be able to tell the difference, been subject to some quite 'interesting feedback'
What surprises me even more is that the so called violence in my story isnt actually particularly graphic, its a killing true - but when put up against say the brutal rape and snuff scene i read in another story on this site (Even though snuff is supposed to be banned - as is torture) it's practically kindergarten. Even against modern mainstream media - computer games and movies - I doubt it would rate more than a PG15 certificate.
So what is it about this particular story is it that is triggering people? and why is it that people don't seem to be able to distinguish what someone might write in a story - and what they might do in real life.

Firstly, I suspect (no, I know) that if you had ended you story with the Hitman reconsiling with his wife, you'd have gotten a much lower score than you did. (For bonus minus points, have him watch as his wife cucks him with the guy he could have blown away but didn't). As it is your story is only a sliver away from getting a H rating, a honour only 3% of Loving Wives stories recieve. It's been well recieved no matter what any of us say on this forum - and most of those points will have come from its, ahem, 'hard-line' approach to cheaters.

On all but the blandest of stories you're going to get people complaining about something. I'd characterise myself as amungst the most easy going writing on Lit, but I've still gotten comments that are against my male characters getting romantically involved with sex workers, incest couples not being exclusive, characters taking part in dogging or prostitution role-play and so on. It's inevitable.

People are not, as far as I can tell, bothered by the graphicness of the story, but the morality. (I commented about this on the other thread.) To respond to AwkwardlySet...

Murder and death and torture are not the issue here. The fact that there is an air of satisfaction, that the character was justified in doing it is what is the problem.

This is the problem as I saw it. It reads as a simple "Killing cheaters is perfectly fine," morality tale. If it was intended to be more, a la Breaking Bad which suckers us into rooting for Walter White before bringing us up short by reminding us that its a monster, then it didn't land for me. To Kumquat the thread, if Star Wars is enjoyable for watching the good guys triumph over space nazis and doesn't need to be deeper, in your story the enjoyment seemed to be derived from watching cheaters be killed, which requires the reader to at some level think this is okay - and maybe for those who have been cheated this is theraputic at some level or maybe its unhealthy.

 

[Lifestyle66]

The categories I write in are almost boringly vanilla in comparison. One more reason to stay away from LW .

There's no good reason to avoid writing and posting to LW, if that's the category which best fits your story.

If you need the ratings and good comments feedback for your writing to feel good, you give power to those who can 1-bomb it and say something bad.

Stop empowering the ignorant! Look for constructive feedback and ignore the rest.