Do the press think were fucking stupid?

[Frimost]

Do they actually think that just because they don't officially brand the LA airport shooting as a terrorist attack were are going to be so god damned dumb that we can't connect the dots and figure it out for ourselves?

They just identified then man who was the shooter.

-He is a 41-year-old Egyptian man

-He attacked on the 4th of July, the dumbest day for any criminal to make any move as security would be at its tightest.

-He attacked an Israeli airline ticket booth.

-He was not after just one man as he shot several people, so it was not some personal target he was after but just a high body count.

-He was found carrying two guns and a 6-inch knife.


Gee, I don't think it has anything to do with terrorism, duh....

And as for profiling, gee maybe we should frisk and do full cavity searches on Indian women, its not like all the terrorist attacks in the last million years have been by Arab men or nothing.

 

[Guest]

Yes.

So does the government.

What else is new?

 

[sch00lteacher]

It changes from time to time so I can't tell you right now off the top of my head what grade level the average newspaper is written towards. Maybe someone else knows what it is today.

It is usually around an 8th grade level, right?

So do they think we are stupid? Yup.

 

[Nora]

Frimost, although you've said basically what I've been thinking since the reports hit, I'm gonna disagree with one thing.

I don't think we can claim at this point that it was a terrorism related attack. I think it was pretty much a given that the murderer was going to be of arabic decent. But terrorism involves conspiracy. I think at this point all we can say is that it's most likely a hate crime. It just doesn't seem organized enough to be terrorism.

 

[Frimost]

I didn't say he was part of any formal terrorist group (although he probably is).

Terrorism doesn’t have to involve intrigue, it is simply an act, a crime perpetrated on innocent civilians with the express goal of killing people to incite fear and paranoia in the general population.

 

[Angelus]

In a word, yes.

 

[Frimost]

Well, I suppose terrorist attacks withstanding we still have it relatively great off compared to this crappy country.

With all the talk of a few casualties here and there in Israel, far more important news gets drowned out by their Palestinian/Israeli rhetoric

Why the killing of a single Israeli gets more coverage than this is beyond me

I HATE the press, they only cover the news THEY want to cover and show an obvious bias and favoritism in slanting the news the way that they want to portray it or just flat out refusing to cover important news they don't want to hear about.

It always pisses me off when a bomb or shooting in Israel or another Western country gets top billing at the head of a news broadcast. When at the same time a massive battle erupts in the third world were literally hundreds or even thousand lose their lives, but they fail to even mention it at all.

 

[Guest]

Israel and Egypt are both United States allies. If this event was a terrorist attack, it was a terrorist attack on Israel, not on the United States. This person attacked Israelis, not Americans. If America didn't give Israel so much welfare money then America wouldn't have been attacked last year.

No real conservative or libertarian supports the welfare state that Israel has become. Every person in Israel relies on United States welfare to live. Israel is like a poor person in the United States inner city if that poor person tried to tell the people in the rich parts of the city how to live while taking their tax money. If we do not support welfare or criminal activities in the United States then we must not support them overseas for a country that's actions continue to bring attacks on Americans.

George Bush said that he would focus on America and stop worrying about so much of the rest of the world. The first priority should be to get the United States out of Israel and Africa. As long as we give welfare to these countries who are too weak to survive on their own then we have no one to blame but our own self when our citizens get killed defending these welfare states. America is stronger when we are supporting our own people, instead of giving welfare to the rest of the world.

 

[Frimost]

Isn't it funny how when we accidentally bomb some Muslims the press is all over it like flies on shit but when Islamic fighter planes deliberately bomb Christians in Southern Sudan purposely inflicting death and destruction on the innocent civilians there is not a single peep from the fucking media?!

Sudan bombs village

Sudan bombs aid station

Sudan bombs towns and school

Sudan bombs market

Sudan bombs relief stations

US official condems Sudanese bombing of civilians

Sudan bombs during cease-fire

Sudan bombs hospital

Sudan bombs medical charity

Sudan bombs refugee camp

Sudan bombs another hospital

more hospital and civilian bombings

UN compound bombed by Sudan

Sudan uses chemicle weapons on Southerners

footage of Sudan bombing school children

UN investigates Sudanese chemicle weapons attack

Sudan denies use of chemicle weapons but evidence points to foul play

and on, and on, and on, and on....

 

[Guest]

Do they actually think that just because they don't officially brand the LA airport shooting as a terrorist attack were are going to be so god damned dumb that we can't connect the dots and figure it out for ourselves?

They just identified then man who was the shooter.

-He is a 41-year-old Egyptian man

-He attacked on the 4th of July, the dumbest day for any criminal to make any move as security would be at its tightest.

-He attacked an Israeli airline ticket booth.

-He was not after just one man as he shot several people, so it was not some personal target he was after but just a high body count.

-He was found carrying two guns and a 6-inch knife.


Gee, I don't think it has anything to do with terrorism, duh....

And as for profiling, gee maybe we should frisk and do full cavity searches on Indian women, its not like all the terrorist attacks in the last million years have been by Arab men or nothing.

Jumping to conclusions achieves nothing.

 

[SINthysist]

Yeah, Fri, first news is best news, eh...

The morning's reports show that the hostilities began after the man was challenged on his paperwork. A variation of air-rage.

I think the important story you will not hear from the press is,

"BUSH ADMINISTRATION KEEPS AMERICA SAFE FOR FOURTH OF JULY FESTIVITIES"

 

[Vinny]

If it's not terrorism then what was ot?

Come on now, he walks into an airport terminal and kills people. When they find his apartment there is a note that says "Read the Quoran"

Whether he is afiliated with a particular cell or not, he was bent on killing innocent people and sending FEAR to the Jewish Community.

I call this terrorism and not just an Isolated Incident

 

[Frimost]

No fucking shit!
And he shoots a BUNCH of people including innocent civilians, NIT JUST the person who challenged his paperwork.
And he CAME to the airport with TWO guns and a knife, ready to Rock 'n' Roll!
Plus the airlines he shot up was closed, as it didn't even have any flights arriving or departing at the time.

I guess some of us here really can't figure some things out without the press actually waling them through it in little baby steps.

 

[sexy-girl]

if a lesbian go's on a gun rampage does that mean its terrorism by lesbians


its a terrible crime ... its not terrorism ... terrorism and hate crimes are very different


just my opinion

 

[Rooster]

You have to ask yourself, did it fit the criteria below?

Terrorism, the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change. All terrorist acts involve violence or—equally important—the threat of violence. These violent acts are committed by nongovernmental groups or individuals—that is, by those who are neither part of nor officially serving in the military forces, law enforcement agencies, intelligence services, or other governmental agencies of an established nation-state.

Not taking a position, basiclly I turned it off when the news began to over analyze.

Let's say a person runs a public official off the road and kills him/her.

If that person was just having a bad day ..... and pushed him out of the way ... it's called road rage ..then maybe charged with involunatry manslaughter.

If that person ran him off the road because it was part of a gang initiation, he'd probably be charged with murder

If that person ran him off the road and killed him because the offical didn't vote a certain way... then he'd be charged with muerder AND under the Terrorism Act.

*Shrugs* .... That's my humble, yet unqualified opinion

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

if a lesbian go's on a gun rampage does that mean its terrorism by lesbians

It might if she targeted some traditional enemy of lesbianism, say Jerry Falwell and his congregation, and left a note in her apartment saying she was going to strike a blow for all lesbians.

Terrorism or not, if the news media quit playing up such incidents then maybe some terrorists wouldn't commit such atrocities. I mean really, someone in LA shoots two people - is that really news worthy from a national perspective? Probably happens in LA at least once a week if not once a day. The only reason national news carried it was due to the shooter's nationality. So Fri, they are not ignoring the terrorism aspect of it, I personally would say that they and you are making more of it than is necessary.

 

[patient1]

I don't think that the press thinks of us as "fucking stupid", so much as less clever than they are, which amounts to the same thing

I think that there is such a thing as "free-lance" terrorism, as in the case of the unibomber, and I think that's the source of the anthrax as well. Probably some nut-job that got their chain jerked once too often & decided to make a point.

 

[sexy-girl]

It might if she targeted some traditional enemy of lesbianism, say Jerry Falwell and his congregation, and left a note in her apartment saying she was going to strike a blow for all lesbians.

but he didnt target an enemy he targeted random jewish people and thats what i feel makes it a hate crime

just the same as if a white nazi would go to a black area and shoot black people and leave a note saying white power or something

im not trying to play it down at all because i think its horrible what happened ... but to call everything terrorism is wrong in my opinion and dangerous

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

but he didnt target an enemy he targeted random jewish people and thats what i feel makes it a hate crime

just the same as if a white nazi would go to a black area and shoot black people and leave a note saying white power or something

im not trying to play it down at all because i think its horrible what happened ... but to call everything terrorism is wrong in my opinion and dangerous

In his mind they were probably just as much the enemy as the terrorists who did 9/11 viewed the innocent and random people in the WT towers as enemies - but I am just speculating, I don't know his motives.

I think terrorism and hate crimes are two peas in a pod, they are usually both used to incite fear in the targets. Usually hate crimes involve a smaller number of people who are perpetrators and victims, but the motives and desired results are often very similar - it seems to just be a matter of scale.

Personally I think it is a mistake to label such crimes as hate crimes or terrorism; it takes away from the actual crime in that it somewhat tends to legitimize the crime in some peoples eyes (hence the saying about one person's terrorist is another person's liberation fighter), and takes people's attention away from the crime (if we just called Al Queda/Taliban members the bunch of mass murderers they really are, would anybody take their side?).

 

[Private Vasquez]

I, for one, don't fuck Stupid. And the press has no business knowing about it in the first place.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Oh and Fri, to answer your question - yeah, the press thinks "we" (as in the American people) are stupid - because we are; we read and believe their reports don't we? Any adult who believes more than half of what they read, see or hear in the news is a total ignoramus.

 

[Frimost]

HATE CRIMES ARE BULLSHIT

Anyone who you kill no matter what race, creed, or religion you must have deep contempt and hatred for.

Hate crimes are just a bullshit label created by the politically correct politicians to politicize crime!

Hatred is the fuel of all murders, if I killed a white man would it be any worse than if I killed someone of another race, would I have hated that person any more or less? No murder and hate go hand in and in all crimes!

 

[Private Vasquez]

Serial Killers don't often kill because of hate...not for their victims, at least.

 

[Frimost]

wake-up sexy-girl!

but he didnt target an enemy he targeted random jewish people and thats what i feel makes it a hate crime

Get a clue, Judaism WAS his enemy and Israel was his target!
Jeez, do we have to spell this out for you?

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Re: HATE CRIMES ARE BULLSHIT

No murder and hate go hand in and in all crimes!

In many crimes maybe, but not in all; there are numerous motivations for murder including power, money and fear. I do agree that "hate crimes" are a political label to further someone's agenda - but it doesn't really bother me that much; if it puts away murderers for a longer time then I think the end result comes out on the plus side.