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Posted: 17 hours ago



MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A boy who wanted to compete on his high school's girls' gymnastics team cannot sue for gender discrimination, a state appeals court ruled Thursday.

The District 4 Court of Appeals upheld a judge's dismissal of Keith Michael Bukowski's lawsuit against the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association, which has a rule prohibiting boys from competing in girls' sports.
Bukowski filed the lawsuit as a junior at Stevens Point Area High School in 2004. He argued the WIAA rule preventing him from trying out for and competing on the girl's gymnastics team discriminated against him because his school did not have a boys' team.

Bukowski argued that the rule violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution as well as a federal law known as Title IX, which prohibits sex discrimination in schools that receive federal funds.

In a 3-0 ruling, the court said Bukowski failed to show that WIAA, a nonprofit organization of public and private high schools that sets rules for sports competition, could be sued under either argument.

Bukowski didn't prove WIAA was an arm of the state that could be sued for the constitutional violation or that it received federal funding as required in a Title IX claim, the court said. The ruling backed a Portage County judge who came to a similar conclusion.

Courts have previously ruled that letting boys compete on girls' teams jeopardizes opportunities for girls.

Bukowski's attorney, Jared Redfield, said he would likely appeal to the state Supreme Court. He said the ruling means "the WIAA can discriminate at will, which doesn't make any sense at all."

But Bukowski, who had competed in gymnastics at a local YMCA, argued the case was similar to recent examples of girls who were allowed to compete on boys' teams in football and wrestling.

Redfield said female sports no longer deserved what he called a privileged status because participation among women has increased sharply in recent decades.

"Why not treat the genders equally?" he asked. "If women can go on our football team and they can wrestle in tournaments, why in the world if there's no access for a male to participate in gymnastics should they not be on the girls' team?"

But WIAA executive director Doug Chickering said females remain underrepresented in sports. He said allowing Bukowski to compete would have put pressure on WIAA to grant frequent requests from boys who want to play on girls' volleyball teams.

"Our fundamental reason for denying participation was that we didn't want to see girls displaced from girls' teams by boys," he said.

Bukowski graduated earlier this year so the legal fight by him and his mother would affect only other students in the future. Hundreds of students at his school signed a petition backing his efforts to compete in 2004 but courts rejected his attempts for a faster ruling that would have allowed him to compete.

Bukowski, a student at University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, may have lost an opportunity for a college scholarship as a result, Redfield said.

Principal Mike Devine said the school does not have a boys' team because of lack of interest and he was following the WIAA rule in refusing to allow Bukowski on the girls' team. He said the school recently hired Bukowski as an assistant coach for the girls' gymnastics team.

"We're glad to have Keith working with our kids right now. He does have some talent in gymnastics," he said. "Even though he couldn't compete with us, he's teaching our kids. That's a somewhat positive outcome for this."







When I read this story, it made me feel sad. In high school, I was a wrestler. The boys on the team accepted me. My brothers played football and I always cheered them on. I played flag football with the girls and excelled at it. My father and brothers were always supportive of me.


Yet, when I see what some women are doing today, it saddens me. There are more women than men in college, yet the state continues to favor women over men. They cut the men's sports teams for any reason.
Trying to placate the campus feminists. Small wonder many men don't like school anymore. Too many man-haters and wimpy men who kowtow to them !!!



My uncle has a rookie rugby team for boys and girls at the YMCA and he treats both male and female players equally.


I think Title IX has gone too far and now discriminates against men. I think it needs to be changed. Pronto !!!
 
The decision isn't for or against Title IX, it only says he can't sue based on it's guidelines because of the group he was trying to sue. Had it been a different situation then he would clearly have been able to compete under Title IX so I don't understand why you think it's a problem. It makes it fair to women and men both where without it there was no chance for womens sports at all.
You'd rather that only the male sports get money?

Anyway, this story really has nothing to do with Title IX so I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at.
 
KRCummings said:
The decision isn't for or against Title IX, it only says he can't sue based on it's guidelines because of the group he was trying to sue. Had it been a different situation then he would clearly have been able to compete under Title IX so I don't understand why you think it's a problem. It makes it fair to women and men both where without it there was no chance for womens sports at all.
You'd rather that only the male sports get money?

Anyway, this story really has nothing to do with Title IX so I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at.



Title IX forces men's sports teams to accept women but women's sports teams reject qualified male applicants. That's an ugly double-standard. Like, at my college, there were six men's sports teams but eight women's sports teams yet the feminists were still whining about equality.
Give me a break !
 
PredatorSmile said:
Title IX forces men's sports teams to accept women but women's sports teams reject qualified male applicants. That's an ugly double-standard. Like, at my college, there were six men's sports teams but eight women's sports teams yet the feminists were still whining about equality.
Give me a break !
It forces schools to provide equal facilities, programs, academics, policies and opportunities to men and women. It does not force mens teams to accept women unless the woman has no reasonable alternative. It does allow for men to join womens sports when they do not have an alternative but that is rarely if ever the case.
The case you cited was not about Title IX, it was about whether he could sue under it and he could not.
 
PredatorSmile said:
Title IX forces men's sports teams to accept women but women's sports teams reject qualified male applicants. That's an ugly double-standard. Like, at my college, there were six men's sports teams but eight women's sports teams yet the feminists were still whining about equality.
Give me a break !


I HATE this Title 9 shit :mad:
 
In general guys shouldn't be allowed to compete in a woman's sport.

Guys would physically dominate the women and have an unfair advantage. A gymnastic event, in this case, that required more flexibility and was not based on strength would be something where a woman could hold their own ( I think )

Overall in most sports if you let guys go against the women, it just isn't fair at all. There are only a few women that can actually compete equally against a man, it is just the basic physical differences in the sexes.
 
huskie said:
I HATE this Title 9 shit :mad:
So you're cool with women not getting the same education, paying more, getting substandard athletic facilities, fewer academic programs and in general a 2nd class education?
 
huskie said:
I HATE this Title 9 shit :mad:

You weren't a girl in school before it.

Title 9 happened in 1972. The year I graduated from highschool...
 
ksmybuttons said:
You weren't a girl in school before it.

Title 9 happened in 1972. The year I graduated from highschool...
It was before my time (I graduated in '86) but even now you can see schools that try to get away with things in the area of sports because male sports make more money. They don't much in the academic areas because they've come to realize that women compete just fine there and bring in just as much if not more money.
 
KRCummings said:
So you're cool with women not getting the same education, paying more, getting substandard athletic facilities, fewer academic programs and in general a 2nd class education?


well.....if that's what it takes to bring back college wrestling teams and there scholarships. Then ...yes.

No go cook me dinner and bring me a beer.

:D


Yes I'm joking but my joking response makes about as much sense as your post and you know it. Title 9 has done little but take from mens sports in college and given it to womens sports for nothing more than spite.
 
KRCummings said:
It was before my time (I graduated in '86) but even now you can see schools that try to get away with things in the area of sports because male sports make more money. They don't much in the academic areas because they've come to realize that women compete just fine there and bring in just as much if not more money.

I lubs ya but your Dreaming......
 
huskie said:
well.....if that's what it takes to bring back college wrestling teams and there scholarships. Then ...yes.

No go cook me dinner and bring me a beer.

:D


Yes I'm joking but my joking response makes about as much sense as your post and you know it. Title 9 has done little but take from mens sports in college and given it to womens sports for nothing more than spite.
Yeah, really took a lot from mens sports. :rolleyes:
How much does college football make?
How about March Madness?
If they don't wanna put that money into other sports then that's an issue with the school, not the law. As long as men and women both have an equal opportunity then the rest is an institutional issue.
 
KRCummings said:
Yeah, really took a lot from mens sports. :rolleyes:
How much does college football make?
How about March Madness?
If they don't wanna put that money into other sports then that's an issue with the school, not the law. As long as men and women both have an equal opportunity then the rest is an institutional issue.


ya know what REALLY bothers me......is how schools use this title 9 stuff to NOT have some mens sports and take that money to line their own pockets with.

I know (or have a real good idea) how much it cost to have a Girls Volley ball team and a wrestling team (which DOES allow for women to be on the team).

That cost to include there scholarships is small, next to nothing, compared to other sports or clubs for that matter and their scholarship programs.

Title 9 is a fucking joke and has done more to hurt college sports and student athletes.

oh....and don't you dare roll your eyes at me, missy!
 
huskie said:
ya know what REALLY bothers me......is how schools use this title 9 stuff to NOT have some mens sports and take that money to line their own pockets with.

I know (or have a real good idea) how much it cost to have a Girls Volley ball team and a wrestling team (which DOES allow for women to be on the team).

That cost to include there scholarships is small, next to nothing, compared to other sports or clubs for that matter and their scholarship programs.

Title 9 is a fucking joke and has done more to hurt college sports and student athletes.

oh....and don't you dare roll your eyes at me, missy!
So they don't have a sport. There is no law against that.
Lots of schools don't have any sports or only a few. How many have basketball teams but not football because basketball is cheaper to maintain?
Sports are only one part of Title IX and they are the least important.
 
huskie said:
ya know what REALLY bothers me......is how schools use this title 9 stuff to NOT have some mens sports and take that money to line their own pockets with.

I know (or have a real good idea) how much it cost to have a Girls Volley ball team and a wrestling team (which DOES allow for women to be on the team).

That cost to include there scholarships is small, next to nothing, compared to other sports or clubs for that matter and their scholarship programs.

Title 9 is a fucking joke and has done more to hurt college sports and student athletes.

oh....and don't you dare roll your eyes at me, missy!

Academics should be the first priority of a school.

In Canada we don't put anywhere near the same money to our college sport, because we see the academic side of school as the important side. College sport is good, but you don't pour millions of dollars into that in Canada.

Better to build a new laboratory building or education centre, then to build a football stadium or hockey rink in a Canadian University usually
 
KRCummings said:
So they don't have a sport. There is no law against that.
Lots of schools don't have any sports or only a few. How many have basketball teams but not football because basketball is cheaper to maintain?
Sports are only one part of Title IX and they are the least important.


The schools DID have the sport but took them away due to title 9..... used title 9 as their excuse anyway.
 
hotguy1234 said:
Academics should be the first priority of a school.

In Canada we don't put anywhere near the same money to our college sport, because we see the academic side of school as the important side. College sport is good, but you don't pour millions of dollars into that in Canada.

Better to build a new laboratory building or education centre, then to build a football stadium or hockey rink in a Canadian University usually
Exactly and before Title IX women did not always get the same education as men. Sometimes sports played a part in that and sometimes it was just pure sexism.
 
KRCummings said:
Exactly and before Title IX women did not always get the same education as men. Sometimes sports played a part in that and sometimes it was just pure sexism.



I think you are a Feminazi Bitch. I hate you and all others like you.


Women discriminate against men when they got power. Why ? Because they're evil rotten bitches without a sense of fairness, or conscience.


Time for men to WAKE UP and fight for their rights !!!
 
hotguy1234 said:
Academics should be the first priority of a school.

In Canada we don't put anywhere near the same money to our college sport, because we see the academic side of school as the important side. College sport is good, but you don't pour millions of dollars into that in Canada.

Better to build a new laboratory building or education centre, then to build a football stadium or hockey rink in a Canadian University usually


The real money for those types of academic improvements comes from what the schools athletics raise for them.

Personally I think a good school is only good if they are well rounded. Not just academics but in sports and other activities.
 
Samuelx said:
I think you are a Feminazi Bitch. I hate you and all others like you.


Women discriminate against men when they got power. Why ? Because they're evil rotten bitches without a sense of fairness, or conscience.


Time for men to WAKE UP and fight for their rights !!!
Sounds like somebody got dumped. Poor baby.
 
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