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'Don't discuss polar bears": memo to scientists

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

Thu Mar 8, 5:27 PM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Polar bears, sea ice and global warming are taboo subjects, at least in public, for some U.S. scientists attending meetings abroad, environmental groups and a top federal wildlife official said on Thursday.

Environmental activists called this scientific censorship, which they said was in line with the Bush administration's history of muzzling dissent over global climate change.

But H. Dale Hall, director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said this policy was a long-standing one, meant to honor international protocols for meetings where the topics of discussion are negotiated in advance.

The matter came to light in e-mails from the Fish and Wildlife Service that were distributed by the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Center for Biological Diversity, both environmental groups.

Listed as a "new requirement" for foreign travelers on U.S. government business, the memo says that requests for foreign travel "involving or potentially involving climate change, sea ice, and/or polar bears" require special handling, including notice of who will be the official spokesman for the trip.

The Fish and Wildlife Service top officials need assurance that the spokesman, "the one responding to questions on these issues, particularly polar bears" understands the administration's position on these topics.

Two accompanying memos were offered as examples of these kinds of assurance. Both included the line that the traveler "understands the administration's position on climate change, polar bears, and sea ice and will not be speaking on or responding to these issues."

ARE POLAR BEARS 'THREATENED'?

Polar bears are a hot topic for the Bush administration, which decided in December to consider whether to list the white-furred behemoths as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act, because of scientific reports that the bears' icy habitat is melting due to global warming.

Hall said a decision is expected in January 2008. A "threatened" listing would bar the government from taking any action that jeopardizes the animal's existence, and might spur debate about tougher measures to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that spur global warming.

Hall defended the policy laid out in the memos, saying it was meant to keep scientists from straying from a set agenda at meetings in countries like Russia, Norway and Canada.

For example, he said, one meeting was about "human and polar bear interface." Receding Arctic sea ice where polar bears live and the global climate change that likely played a role in the melting were not proper discussion topics, he said.

"That's not a climate change discussion," Hall said at a telephone briefing. "That's a management, on-the-ground type discussion."

The prohibition on talking about these subjects only applies to public, formal situations, Hall said. Private scientific discussions outside the meeting and away from media are permitted and encouraged, he said.

"This administration has a long history of censoring speech and science on global warming," Eben Burnham-Snyder of the Natural Resources Defense Council said by telephone.

"Whenever we see an instance of the Bush administration restricting speech on global warming, it sends up a huge red flag that their commitment to the issue does not reflect their rhetoric," Burnham-Snyder said.
 
Polar bears are a hot topic for the Bush administration, which decided in December to consider whether to list the white-furred behemoths as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act, because of scientific reports that the bears' icy habitat is melting due to global warming.

Hall said a decision is expected in January 2008. A "threatened" listing would bar the government from taking any action that jeopardizes the animal's existence, and might spur debate about tougher measures to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that spur global warming.

Hall defended the policy laid out in the memos, saying it was meant to keep scientists from straying from a set agenda at meetings in countries like Russia, Norway and Canada.
Waiiit... so the government agrees that greenhouse gas emissions cause global warming now? Or was that just an under-the-radar tongue slip from Mr Hall?

I thought the polar caps melting was pretty self evident, and that the denial from Bush-esque directions were about the human influence on that.



Or maybe there's something even more sinister going on...

First rule of Fight Club is...
 
I'd never talk about Polar Bears...

First off, I know little to nothing about them and secondly, I'd probaBLE PISS THEM off by accidentally hitting the cap lock.... or saying something that they consider a slur... Them big white bears are some mean mothers, so I hear.

so now everyone can sleep easier with no one talking about the you know whats..... :rolleyes:
 
How many Polar Bears are there in the continental US?

I presume there are some in Alaska. Surely Polar Bears are more of a problem for Canada?

This report seems unbelievable. Why not ban discussion on Manatees? They are also threatened.

Banning Scientists from discussing a particular topic brings comparisons with George Orwell's Newspeak.

Og
 
The polar bears seem to be disappearing. I believe it has to do with the FBI and a little know section of the Homeland Security Act. :eek:
 
They're starving, cut off from the seals that they normally live on, due to the ice melting. Some of them have resorted to cannibalism.
 
Those are not your polar caps that are melting.
 
Liar said:
Waiiit... so the government agrees that greenhouse gas emissions cause global warming now? Or was that just an under-the-radar tongue slip from Mr Hall?
I thought the polar caps melting was pretty self evident, and that the denial from Bush-esque directions were about the human influence on that.
Or maybe there's something even more sinister going on...

First rule of Fight Club is...

I think you've hit on it, Liar.
It's wrong to discuss anything about anything that might lead to difficult questions for BushCo.
So long as scientists steer clear of that iceberg, their berths on the Titanic are secure. :devil:
 
You know... you people just aren't looking at this the right way.

It's not that they're AGAINST polar bears... it's that they're FOR fish.

More water, bigger playground for those cute little fishies.
 
Polar bears are subversive. Unlike penguins, who are cheerfully apolotical.
 
elsol said:
You know... you people just aren't looking at this the right way.

It's not that they're AGAINST polar bears... it's that they're FOR fish.

"It's not that people are getting stupider; it's that fewer stupid people are getting eaten by bears."

~ Bill Maher
 
shereads said:
"It's not that people are getting stupider; it's that fewer stupid people are getting eaten by bears."

~ Bill Maher

Aha!

See... they're also FOR stupid people.

Save the Stupids! Let the Polar Bears become extinct!
 
oggbashan said:
Why not ban discussion on Manatees?


Try to think like George W. Bush.

No, really.

Manatees need a warm-water habitat. Global warming turns ice into warm water. Therefore, global warming is a way of saving the manatee.
 
elsol said:
Aha!

See... they're also FOR stupid people.

Save the Stupids! Let the Polar Bears become extinct!
Yoiks!
I used to read to my son about The Stupids!
And the Polar Bears were major attractions at the Zoo.
Damn you, Global Warming!
 
shereads said:
Try to think like George W. Bush.

No, really.

Manatees need a warm-water habitat. Global warming turns ice into warm water. Therefore, global warming is a way of saving the manatee.

So I'm right!

It's a choice.

Polar Bears on one side.

Manatees, Fish, and stupid people on the other.

Touch choice... but I'm a REALLY big sushi guy so I'm going to have to go with favoring the fish.
 
elsol said:
...Touch choice... but I'm a REALLY big sushi guy so I'm going to have to go with favoring the fish.
And you're SURE that the Japanese have stuck to finned vertebrates [Goh-zih-rah, cough...] as those square plates come around on the conveyor belt....
 
oggbashan said:
This report seems unbelievable. Why not ban discussion on Manatees? They are also threatened.
It's only relevant to ban discussion on stuff that people can relate to. Most common folksies can't tell a manatee from a school of herring.

More to the point, can Bush?
 
Liar said:
It's only relevant to ban discussion on stuff that people can relate to. Most common folksies can't tell a manatee from a school of herring.

More to the point, can Bush?

First you must find a school of Herring...... Days gettin scares themselves :rolleyes:
 
TxRad said:
First you must find a school of Herring...... Days gettin scares themselves :rolleyes:

It's the darn greedy wildlife! Do you know how many tons of herring a polar bear can consume between meals? Neither do I. But you get my point, right? Nature is its own worst enemy. Something has to be done.
 
Pure said:
Polar bears, sea ice and global warming are taboo subjects, at least in public, for some U.S. scientists attending meetings abroad, environmental groups and a top federal wildlife official said on Thursday.

Environmental activists called this scientific censorship, which they said was in line with the Bush administration's history of muzzling dissent over global climate change.

Wouldn't you know, this statement is in direct contradiction to these scientists here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml

Make no mistake: this is a full-scale war, and the fanatics are out in droves on each side, vying for the attention of the normal person, hoping to fill the heads with their own slant. "Buyer" beware.
 
Has it occured to anyone that it's possibly the Polar Bears fucking that's causing the melting of the polar ice caps? Just think of an 800 pound bear panting and humping while pounding away with his 10 pound cock creating massive amouts of friction heat, and hot breath. Put that together with a few thousand fucking polar bear couples and you could heat a small city :eek:
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Has it occured to anyone that it's possibly the Polar Bears fucking that's causing the melting of the polar ice caps? Just think of an 800 pound bear panting and humping while pounding away with his 10 pound cock creating massive amouts of friction heat, and hot breath. Put that together with a few thousand fucking polar bear couples and you could heat a small city :eek:

Studies have shown that the polar bears are fucking less because they're on antidepressants because the melting polar caps worry them. :cool:
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Has it occured to anyone that it's possibly the Polar Bears fucking that's causing the melting of the polar ice caps? Just think of an 800 pound bear panting and humping while pounding away with his 10 pound cock creating massive amouts of friction heat, and hot breath. Put that together with a few thousand fucking polar bear couples and you could heat a small city :eek:
Ah-hah. The polar caps ain't melting. They're shaking apart.
 
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