Dinosaur question
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Todd? Did you read my thread of this morning?
"We" know didely sqaut. We got some bones. We got some loose dates. We got some speculations, many of which might be true.
But - we may never know - cause we weren't there.
"We" know didely sqaut. We got some bones. We got some loose dates. We got some speculations, many of which might be true.
But - we may never know - cause we weren't there.
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By the way Todd?
Same as the bible.
Same as the bible.
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Good night Todd. Good night all.
Been here too long as usual. Sleep tight and you other side folks have fun at work.
Been here too long as usual. Sleep tight and you other side folks have fun at work.
I take a couple of weeks off from here and come back to one of these questions. Oh well, Sparky is right in that nobody knows the exact answers regarding dinosaur physiology but since we classify them as reptiles it is fair to look at how reptiles get along today without big nostrils and large respiration rates.
Reptiles are cold-blooded (and yes, I know of some theorists who propose dinosaurs to be warm-blooded but the overwhelming preponderance of similar critters is cold-blooded and most evidence would support lumping Barney into the cold-blooded family). Think of why warm-blooded animals (mammals, for example) respire so much - we have larger brains to support and it takes a large amount of energy to keep oneself at constant temperature. Hence, your mammals breathe hard. Compare your breathing rate to a snake or iguana and it becomes obvious that you are different, if you had no other evidence. Reptiles also have moisture-proof skins that exchange less material with the environment and you end up with a critter that just doesn't need as much oxygen to get along.
That being said, your original question of friction being a problem is not really a huge concern. Compressibility of gases and the low friction created by passing any gas over a membrane would keep things okay. And obviously, they evolved along and managed to survive for awhile. Now, whether their size and inefficiency led to their demise and the rise of mammals is certainly defensible.
Reptiles are cold-blooded (and yes, I know of some theorists who propose dinosaurs to be warm-blooded but the overwhelming preponderance of similar critters is cold-blooded and most evidence would support lumping Barney into the cold-blooded family). Think of why warm-blooded animals (mammals, for example) respire so much - we have larger brains to support and it takes a large amount of energy to keep oneself at constant temperature. Hence, your mammals breathe hard. Compare your breathing rate to a snake or iguana and it becomes obvious that you are different, if you had no other evidence. Reptiles also have moisture-proof skins that exchange less material with the environment and you end up with a critter that just doesn't need as much oxygen to get along.
That being said, your original question of friction being a problem is not really a huge concern. Compressibility of gases and the low friction created by passing any gas over a membrane would keep things okay. And obviously, they evolved along and managed to survive for awhile. Now, whether their size and inefficiency led to their demise and the rise of mammals is certainly defensible.
RonG said:
ok fair enough but I know when I go running or exercising which is sort of what they would do for dinner i get breathing hard just to fill my little lungs and my throat and noses burns from breathing so fast and so hard
so what I am think is what if there was a water canaopy around the planet that would make the planet like a huge hyperbaric chamder?
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The blue whale, alive today, is larger than any dinosaur that ever lived, and he breathes with hundreds of pounds of water pressure pushing on all sides. I'm missing what's so amazng about Dinosaurs breathing? Is there a hidden "maybe dinosaurs never existed" crackpot please-make-it-so-because-it-would-help-Genesis theory behind all this?
sorry to ruin your idea Dixon
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The REAL question..
Yeah, but do these so-called 'blue whales' really exist?
Surely, if they were so damn blue, they'd've offed themselves ages ago from depression. Frankly, a diet of nothing but slimy plankton strained through my beard would cause me to give pretty damn quick.
Yeah, but do these so-called 'blue whales' really exist?
Surely, if they were so damn blue, they'd've offed themselves ages ago from depression. Frankly, a diet of nothing but slimy plankton strained through my beard would cause me to give pretty damn quick.
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HOW can anyone able to read and think and discern and walk across the street and chew bubblegum at the same time think that a billion paleontologists, archaeologists, zoologists, pharmacologists, biologists, chemists, and anthropologists could be so profoundly and frighteningly wrong about the timeline.
Dinsosaurs and Man walked together. (!) Pardon me while I go outside and scream.
Todd, I kinda' like you, which is why I'm begging you, PLEASE get some air.
Dinsosaurs and Man walked together. (!) Pardon me while I go outside and scream.
Todd, I kinda' like you, which is why I'm begging you, PLEASE get some air.
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Dixon Carter Lee said:
I don't blame you for screaming. Any fool knows that man and dinosaur didn't walk together. It's perfectly obvious, even to little children, that Alley Oop always RODE Dinny instead of walking with him.
DCL.....
Please man....stop screaming the noise ordinance authorities are gonna come down hard on ya'!
Besides, I thought everyone knew that not only did man and dinosaur walk together, they also ate together, the females of the human and dinosaur species went to the bathroom together, and the real reason for extinction was that they started cross-breeding! And where do you think the game "FETCH" that we play with our dogs originated from? DUH!!
Please man....stop screaming the noise ordinance authorities are gonna come down hard on ya'!
Besides, I thought everyone knew that not only did man and dinosaur walk together, they also ate together, the females of the human and dinosaur species went to the bathroom together, and the real reason for extinction was that they started cross-breeding! And where do you think the game "FETCH" that we play with our dogs originated from? DUH!!
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As for man and dino's walking together......
Of course. Just take a look at......
The Flinstones.
Of course. Just take a look at......
The Flinstones.
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all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth. (wouldn't they be dead?)
off topic a little but found this piece of weird science
The Great Flood.
At this time in history, there was one land mass(1). Europe, Africa, America, and all other lands were connected. There were lakes and rivers that dotted the landscape, but most of the water was well beneath the earth's surface. The flood started with torrential rains followed by the opening of the earth(2).
Pressure on the earth's crust caused it to crack northward and southward. The earth was split open at a rate of 3 miles per second encircling the globe in approximately 2 hours. This split created continental plates that divided east from west.
The compressed rock beneath the continental plates was forced upward creating the mid-Atlantic ridge currently located in the center of the Atlantic Ocean. As the ridge was pushed upward, the continental plates were pushed apart at rates up to 45 miles per hour. The two continental plates eventually collided with other plates causing the land to move upward or downward. The upward movement created the mountainous regions of the world. The downward movement resulted in deep trenches in the ocean floors. This explains why major mountain regions and ocean trenches are parallel to one another(3).
Waters that were initially released from the earth burst forth into the atmosphere at supersonic speeds. As the water went higher and higher into the atmosphere, much of it became solid ice. Rain, hail, and snow fell on the earth for forty days and forty nights. All life forms that found themselves on tops of mountains were instantly frozen in time. This explains the fish and animal fossil remains in nearly every mountain region of the world, and how some were completely preserved. The so called "ICE AGE" was in fact just a matter of days.
Sediment from displaced earth rapidly settled trapping animal and plant life beneath it. The once thriving cities disappeared under tons of rock and then mud. The decomposed remains of plants, trees, and animals beneath this sediment currently provide the world's oil supply.
After one hundred and fifty days, the water receded and dry land appeared. Noah and his family came out of the ark 370 days after the flood began. The ark rested on Mount Ararat where some believe it remains to this day in northern Turkey.
Jewish historians as well as many ancient civilizations throughout the world spoke of the great flood. Scientists have proven conclusively that there was indeed a flood that covered the entire earth and this occurrence is carved in stone or clay in nearly every ancient civilization. The Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, and the Chinese all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth.
Thousands of individuals have reportedly seen the ark. In recent history, there were two major sightings of the ark. In 1883, the Turkish military found the ark while investigating damage caused from a massive earthquake. They not only found and entered the ark, but also returned with pieces of wood from the structure. Because of the acceptance of Darwin's theory of Evolution, the find was ignored by most in the western world. However, in 1917, the Czar of Russia sent an expedition to find and document the location of the ark. It was found and photographed. Unfortunately, the Czar's government was overthrown by the communists and documentation was either destroyed or hidden in Kremlin safes. The Czar's daughter spoke of the expedition years later, and had a cross made from the wood of the ark. Since this time, numerous sightings have been reported. Ethnic fighting and terrorist camps in the area have restricted recent attempts to locate the ark. This territory is currently under the control of Kurdish terrorists.
The US military obviously know the location and have satellite photographs of the ark. to prove it. Because of security reasons, they will not release these photographs. American Air force navigators used the ark as a marker while on bombing raids during World War II.
God promised Noah He would never destroy the earth in a flood again. He made a covenant with man and placed the rainbow in the clouds as a sign. Each time the rainbow is observed, it is a reminder of this covenant God made with man(4).
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For a detailed discussion of the Great flood, refer to Dr. Walter Brown's web page on the Hydroplate Overview. The information above was from his video seen on a CBS broadcast.
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Footnotes
(1) Genesis 1:9. Return to text
(2) Video, "In Search of Noah's Ark, 1993" Return to text
(3) Genesis 7:11; All scientists agree that the earth was indeed split in two. The disagreement lies in how and when it happened. Some scientists believe that giant meteorites hit the earth with such an impact that it caused the split and separation in a matter of weeks. The evolutionist believe the separation has occurred over a 250 million year period. How is unknown. Return to text
(4) Genesis 9:8-17.
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e-mail address = hollaway@ghgcorp.com -- Last updated September 2, 1996
off topic a little but found this piece of weird science
The Great Flood.
At this time in history, there was one land mass(1). Europe, Africa, America, and all other lands were connected. There were lakes and rivers that dotted the landscape, but most of the water was well beneath the earth's surface. The flood started with torrential rains followed by the opening of the earth(2).
Pressure on the earth's crust caused it to crack northward and southward. The earth was split open at a rate of 3 miles per second encircling the globe in approximately 2 hours. This split created continental plates that divided east from west.
The compressed rock beneath the continental plates was forced upward creating the mid-Atlantic ridge currently located in the center of the Atlantic Ocean. As the ridge was pushed upward, the continental plates were pushed apart at rates up to 45 miles per hour. The two continental plates eventually collided with other plates causing the land to move upward or downward. The upward movement created the mountainous regions of the world. The downward movement resulted in deep trenches in the ocean floors. This explains why major mountain regions and ocean trenches are parallel to one another(3).
Waters that were initially released from the earth burst forth into the atmosphere at supersonic speeds. As the water went higher and higher into the atmosphere, much of it became solid ice. Rain, hail, and snow fell on the earth for forty days and forty nights. All life forms that found themselves on tops of mountains were instantly frozen in time. This explains the fish and animal fossil remains in nearly every mountain region of the world, and how some were completely preserved. The so called "ICE AGE" was in fact just a matter of days.
Sediment from displaced earth rapidly settled trapping animal and plant life beneath it. The once thriving cities disappeared under tons of rock and then mud. The decomposed remains of plants, trees, and animals beneath this sediment currently provide the world's oil supply.
After one hundred and fifty days, the water receded and dry land appeared. Noah and his family came out of the ark 370 days after the flood began. The ark rested on Mount Ararat where some believe it remains to this day in northern Turkey.
Jewish historians as well as many ancient civilizations throughout the world spoke of the great flood. Scientists have proven conclusively that there was indeed a flood that covered the entire earth and this occurrence is carved in stone or clay in nearly every ancient civilization. The Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, and the Chinese all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth.
Thousands of individuals have reportedly seen the ark. In recent history, there were two major sightings of the ark. In 1883, the Turkish military found the ark while investigating damage caused from a massive earthquake. They not only found and entered the ark, but also returned with pieces of wood from the structure. Because of the acceptance of Darwin's theory of Evolution, the find was ignored by most in the western world. However, in 1917, the Czar of Russia sent an expedition to find and document the location of the ark. It was found and photographed. Unfortunately, the Czar's government was overthrown by the communists and documentation was either destroyed or hidden in Kremlin safes. The Czar's daughter spoke of the expedition years later, and had a cross made from the wood of the ark. Since this time, numerous sightings have been reported. Ethnic fighting and terrorist camps in the area have restricted recent attempts to locate the ark. This territory is currently under the control of Kurdish terrorists.
The US military obviously know the location and have satellite photographs of the ark. to prove it. Because of security reasons, they will not release these photographs. American Air force navigators used the ark as a marker while on bombing raids during World War II.
God promised Noah He would never destroy the earth in a flood again. He made a covenant with man and placed the rainbow in the clouds as a sign. Each time the rainbow is observed, it is a reminder of this covenant God made with man(4).
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For a detailed discussion of the Great flood, refer to Dr. Walter Brown's web page on the Hydroplate Overview. The information above was from his video seen on a CBS broadcast.
RETURN TO COUNTDOWN MENU
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Footnotes
(1) Genesis 1:9. Return to text
(2) Video, "In Search of Noah's Ark, 1993" Return to text
(3) Genesis 7:11; All scientists agree that the earth was indeed split in two. The disagreement lies in how and when it happened. Some scientists believe that giant meteorites hit the earth with such an impact that it caused the split and separation in a matter of weeks. The evolutionist believe the separation has occurred over a 250 million year period. How is unknown. Return to text
(4) Genesis 9:8-17.
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e-mail address = hollaway@ghgcorp.com -- Last updated September 2, 1996
Re: all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth. (wouldn't they be dead?)
I think what you posted has been 'answered' by Todd on other threads already. We seem to be coming full circle here, or full-square, depending on your world view ...
WriterDom said:
I think what you posted has been 'answered' by Todd on other threads already. We seem to be coming full circle here, or full-square, depending on your world view ...
Re: Re: Re: all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth. (wouldn't they be dead?)
I wondered if you would take that the wrong way. You didn't disappoint and you did, all at once. Now go stand under the water canopy and wash your mouth out.
WriterDom said:
I wondered if you would take that the wrong way. You didn't disappoint and you did, all at once. Now go stand under the water canopy and wash your mouth out.
Re: all wrote of a great flood that covered the entire earth. (wouldn't they be dead?)
Weird Yes, Science No. The theory of Pangaea, or one land mass, was postulated early in the 20th Century by Taylor and Wegener. This theory was based on the outlines of continental shelves rather than the exposed continents. The data indicates that if Pangaea indeed existed and then split into Laurasia and Gondwanaland and then into the continents we know today, it would have occurred somewhere around 100 Million years ago at the most recent. The earliest homo sapiens remains with the most generous error given to the high side are 100 thousand years old. Only off on time by 99.9% for a person to have witnessed such an event.
Now what does fossil evidence say about the one land mass idea? Well, the fossils that support the theory are all critters (dinosaurs and some flora) that are Mesozoic or Permian in nature, really old stuff, not mammalian or hominid type remains.
The Ring of Fire and the Continental Mountains do make sense in the context of shelves pushing from the base up.
As far as the notion of a short-lived Ice Age, the less said the better. This isn't even hard to look at since glaciers still exist today. There is just too much evidence to suggest that there have been several Ice Ages and the most recent occurred long after the current continents were formed.
This kind of stuff that gets published is like that silly bird/dinosaur thing that National Geographic purchased and then wouldn't allow proper review before publication. Now a year later, it is revealed as a hoax and all sorts of screwups are now in the textbooks and in the public domain. Given a chance, scientists will work to get to the most truthful answer. It just may not be what folks want to hear. Or what keeps 'em filling the collection plates or buying magazines.
WriterDom said:
Weird Yes, Science No. The theory of Pangaea, or one land mass, was postulated early in the 20th Century by Taylor and Wegener. This theory was based on the outlines of continental shelves rather than the exposed continents. The data indicates that if Pangaea indeed existed and then split into Laurasia and Gondwanaland and then into the continents we know today, it would have occurred somewhere around 100 Million years ago at the most recent. The earliest homo sapiens remains with the most generous error given to the high side are 100 thousand years old. Only off on time by 99.9% for a person to have witnessed such an event.
Now what does fossil evidence say about the one land mass idea? Well, the fossils that support the theory are all critters (dinosaurs and some flora) that are Mesozoic or Permian in nature, really old stuff, not mammalian or hominid type remains.
The Ring of Fire and the Continental Mountains do make sense in the context of shelves pushing from the base up.
As far as the notion of a short-lived Ice Age, the less said the better. This isn't even hard to look at since glaciers still exist today. There is just too much evidence to suggest that there have been several Ice Ages and the most recent occurred long after the current continents were formed.
This kind of stuff that gets published is like that silly bird/dinosaur thing that National Geographic purchased and then wouldn't allow proper review before publication. Now a year later, it is revealed as a hoax and all sorts of screwups are now in the textbooks and in the public domain. Given a chance, scientists will work to get to the most truthful answer. It just may not be what folks want to hear. Or what keeps 'em filling the collection plates or buying magazines.
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