Did Shakespeare Write It?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Oh, that a man might know

The end of this day’s business ere it come!

But it sufficeth that the day will end,

And then the end is known

A favorite quote from JULIUS CAESAR.

I cant believe a country chicken kicking artsy fartsy actor hatched lines equitable to the Earl of Oxford.

 

[oggbashan]

Oh, that a man might know

The end of this day’s business ere it come!

But it sufficeth that the day will end,

And then the end is known

A favorite quote from JULIUS CAESAR.

I cant believe a country chicken kicking artsy fartsy actor hatched lines equitable to the Earl of Oxford.

There are a number of people who share your disbelief, but no one has conclusively proven that Shakespeare didn't write the plays. He is still the most likely candidate.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There are a number of people who share your disbelief, but no one has conclusively proven that Shakespeare didn't write the plays. He is still the most likely candidate.

True, and he's an incongruent match with the facts. Too wise.

 

[49greg]

We'll have to wait until they invent a working time machine to find out. Maybe Stewie will let us use his.

 

[TamLin01]

"I cant' believe" is not evidence.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I believe that most scholars now believe Edward De Vere wrote what is attributed to a writer under the name of 'William Shakespeare." And I have seen most of the evidence and it seems pretty solid to me.

 

[SamScribble]

I believe that most scholars now believe Edward De Vere wrote what is attributed to a writer under the name of 'William Shakespeare." And I have seen most of the evidence and it seems pretty solid to me.

Edward De Vere? Wasn't he a character in 'To the Manor Born'? Or was that Richard?

 

[TamLin01]

I believe that most scholars now believe Edward De Vere wrote what is attributed to a writer under the name of 'William Shakespeare."

No. Not most. Not even close. Very, very few, in fact. If it was most, you'd see De Vere's name on the covers. But you don't.

In a New York Times survey of English professors a few years ago, 82 percent of respondents said there was no good reason to question who authored the plays; only six percent said there was. Ninety-three percent called it a theory with no convincing evidence, and a third of those further characterized it as a "waste of time." Only five percent responded positively to the idea of devoting further study to the "question."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I believe that most scholars now believe Edward De Vere wrote what is attributed to a writer under the name of 'William Shakespeare." And I have seen most of the evidence and it seems pretty solid to me.

I agree

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No. Not most. Not even close. Very, very few, in fact. If it was most, you'd see De Vere's name on the covers. But you don't.

In a New York Times survey of English professors a few years ago, 82 percent of respondents said there was no good reason to question who authored the plays; only six percent said there was. Ninety-three percent called it a theory with no convincing evidence, and a third of those further characterized it as a "waste of time." Only five percent responded positively to the idea of devoting further study to the "question."

Yep. That's what they say. I decide for myself cuz I have too much experience with perfessers. I'm informed about the issue and now have doubts about Shakespeare.

 

[TamLin01]

Said doubts manifesting in the form of class assumptions: Shakespeare couldn't have written Shakespeare because he was a "country chicken" and "an actor." Because talent is something that only happens to rich people from important families.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Said doubts manifesting in the form of class assumptions: Shakespeare couldn't have written Shakespeare because he was a "country chicken" and "an actor." Because talent is something that only happens to rich people from important families.

Samuel Johnson and Mark Twain are kin of mine, and the Johnsons are nuthin special, yet Sam and Sam have common traits most recognize. There are other Johnson writers, none famous, who have the same traits. No actor wrote Shakespeare.

 

[oggbashan]

Who wrote Shakespeare was a live issue up to the 1930s. Many of the theories for possible authors other than Shakespeare that were put forward in the late 19th and early 20th centuries have been shown to be ridiculous, impossible or far-fetched. We know far more about Shakespeare and the other candidates than was known then. Since the Second World War almost all Shakespeare scholars have accepted that none of the other possible candidates is feasible.

We know so little about Shakespeare's life that there are many years when he could have done anything, travelled widely in Europe studying foreign languages and ancient culture, or been a librarian with time to study.

We just don't know where he got his ability from. But the current academic consensus is that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.

But he never spelled Shakespeare that way.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Who wrote Shakespeare was a live issue up to the 1930s. Many of the theories for possible authors other than Shakespeare that were put forward in the late 19th and early 20th centuries have been shown to be ridiculous, impossible or far-fetched. We know far more about Shakespeare and the other candidates than was known then. Since the Second World War almost all Shakespeare scholars have accepted that none of the other possible candidates is feasible.

We know so little about Shakespeare's life that there are many years when he could have done anything, travelled widely in Europe studying foreign languages and ancient culture, or been a librarian with time to study.

We just don't know where he got his ability from. But the current academic consensus is that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.

But he never spelled Shakespeare that way.

Academic consensus? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Old fool! I went to grad school. One writes the paper and all his friends co-sign it for a free publish.

 

[oggbashan]

Academic consensus? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Old fool! I went to grad school. One writes the paper and all his friends co-sign it for a free publish.

There was never any consensus for an alternative and many of those suggesting other writers had no appropriate academic qualifications at all.

Try reading Bill Bryson's Shakespeare. He summarises just how little we actually know about Shakespeare, and how much we think we 'know' is wrong. It is an easy read compared with more substantial works on Shakespeare.

 

[TamLin01]

Samuel Johnson and Mark Twain are kin of mine, and the Johnsons are nuthin special, yet Sam and Sam have common traits most recognize. There are other Johnson writers, none famous, who have the same traits. No actor wrote Shakespeare.

Again, an assumption. Actors can't write, apparently, and a writer would never act. Why? Apparently just saying so is reason enough.

But I suppose you're right. There were certainly no actors who are screenwriters and playwrights in the 400 years since. Not a one.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Again, an assumption. Actors can't write, apparently, and a writer would never act. Why? Apparently just saying so is reason enough.

But I suppose you're right. There were certainly no actors who are screenwriters and playwrights in the 400 years since. Not a one.

And Hillary pens all her memoirs; de Vere was Willie's ghost-writer. Ghost writers are common, polymath actors aint.

 

[DesEsseintes]

And Hillary pens all her memoirs; de Vere was Willie's ghost-writer. Ghost writers are common, polymath actors aint.

They don't have to be common. There has to have been one. Is that impossible?

Of course Shakespeare wrote them. I've actually studied Shakespeare, and this debate is like climate change - a tiny minority follow the conspiracy theories but in the sane world, things have long since moved on. And it is indeed based on class prejudice. But people forget that he attended a grammar school with a very high standard of education - that his father was an alderman - and that Ben Jonson addressed the issue of his relative lack of education. Read Jonson's plays, or Donne's poetry, for an example of a university educated Elizabethan/Jacobean writer. The writer of Shakespeare's plays was no university wit.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

They don't have to be common. There has to have been one. Is that impossible?

Of course Shakespeare wrote them. I've actually studied Shakespeare, and this debate is like climate change - a tiny minority follow the conspiracy theories but in the sane world, things have long since moved on. And it is indeed based on class prejudice. But people forget that he attended a grammar school with a very high standard of education - that his father was an alderman - and that Ben Jonson addressed the issue of his relative lack of education. Read Jonson's plays, or Donne's poetry, for an example of a university educated Elizabethan/Jacobean writer. The writer of Shakespeare's plays was no university wit.

Its more than education, its the communion with uncommon wisdom and mastery of the human condition. The dummest damn people I ever knew I met in college and grad school. I'd rather hang out with grade school drop outs than arrogant asshats of Pixley Hooterville Community College....or Harvard.

 

[DesEsseintes]

Its more than education, its the communion with uncommon wisdom and mastery of the human condition. The dummest damn people I ever knew I met in college and grad school. I'd rather hang out with grade school drop outs than arrogant asshats of Pixley Hooterville Community College....or Harvard.

But that proves my point. Shakespeare's wisdom about the human condition wasn't the sort you learn in university. You learn it by fighting in wars - by earning your own living from the age of 14/15 - by leaving home and everything you know to set up business in a strange, vast city. Just like Shakespeare did. Just like Bacon, De Vere, etc didn't.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

But that proves my point. Shakespeare's wisdom about the human condition wasn't the sort you learn in university. You learn it by fighting in wars - by earning your own living from the age of 14/15 - by leaving home and everything you know to set up business in a strange, vast city. Just like Shakespeare did. Just like Bacon, De Vere, etc didn't.

I must be Tolstoy.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

No wonder we write under pseudonyms, my god, Johnson.

For if we were to say who we were, there would be academics everywhere insisting that it wasn't really so - in just one case for example at least, so they wouldn't have to pay me for finding the 13 million dollars from Bernard Law Kay Head of HKSBC, Beijing, back in 1989 to establish the School of Life Sciences here in Edith Cowan University.

And then there was the time the High Court of Australia ordered in a group of us over here payments of many millions from the Crown - in my own ruling 4.83 million plus costs and interest - but the Federal Attorney General suggested that even so, I must sue him seperately and individually to actually get payment as it was arguably just a 'blanket judgement.' (The Hughes and Wakim Decisions taken to the Australian High Court by Senior Sydney Barrister Nye Perram).

What is it - 'appropriate academic qualifications,' and 'current academic consensus?' Bwhahahahahaha.

I think my great uncle James W. (Syndic) of Oxford, turning in his grave, is asking for all of his Plato books back from the Oxford Library!! Not that they need, or even use them anymore ever since money, was the chiefest qualification for entrance.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I think Ralph Richardson - though not an academic with any appropriate academic qualifications by any means of course, never having done anything on the stage or in the theatre or in letters the whole of his life - is another one of the tiny few Oxfordians (being the name for those who agree that De Vere was the author). And another ignored by Wiki and all of these 'current consensus of academics.'

Remind me - 'academic' - what is that? Someone who walked in the Garden with Hypatia? Or is it something else, something appropriated to deceive the modern ignoramuses with borrowed grandeur and golden trumpets from Venice?

 

[TamLin01]

Of course Shakespeare wrote them. I've actually studied Shakespeare, and this debate is like climate change - a tiny minority follow the conspiracy theories but in the sane world, things have long since moved on.

Yes, thank you, you are entirely correct.

Notice that the only "argument" thus far put forward here is simple elitism: We don't like the looks of that Shakespeare fellow, so we're going to assume (based on nothing more than dislike, it seems) that someone More Proper wrote the plays.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yes, thank you, you are entirely correct.

Notice that the only "argument" thus far put forward here is simple elitism: We don't like the looks of that Shakespeare fellow, so we're going to assume (based on nothing more than dislike, it seems) that someone More Proper wrote the plays.

The odds of the noble peasant accomplishing shit are miniscule.