Did Nazis really believe in Germanic mythology, or was it just nationalist symbolism?

[klingle]

The Nazis, especially Heinrich Himmler, seem to have been obsessed with Germanic mythology. But how much of this obsession was based on actual belief and how much on nationalistic pride or symbolism? Imagery related to Valhalla seem to have been especially popular, but that probably appealed more to the warlike German attitudes than to belief. Thoughts?

 

[Lord Emu]

I think it was 50/50 Hitler knew how to work the crowd and the power of symbols. I've seen it said Hitler wanted to eliminate Odinists but I can't find anything. I did find this instead about Nazi symbols.

http://usminc.org/hitler3.html

 

[coachdb18]

The Nazis, especially Heinrich Himmler, seem to have been obsessed with Germanic mythology. But how much of this obsession was based on actual belief and how much on nationalistic pride or symbolism? Imagery related to Valhalla seem to have been especially popular, but that probably appealed more to the warlike German attitudes than to belief. Thoughts?

Obama's 'Dreams of his Father', Julia, and all his talk about how stories are what he's missed in his first four years ... sounds a lot like the same old shit again, doesn't it!

 

[roleplaylover]

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The Nazis, especially Heinrich Himmler, seem to have been obsessed with Germanic mythology. But how much of this obsession was based on actual belief and how much on nationalistic pride or symbolism? Imagery related to Valhalla seem to have been especially popular, but that probably appealed more to the warlike German attitudes than to belief. Thoughts?

ooohh

 

[klingle]

I hope Mossad are reading your bullshit views and pay you a visit, wank stain of a person!

Not cool, coach! I never said anything mean to you.

 

[run_silent]

I visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C.. What I took away from it was a policy of a thousand small steps that made sense at the time. No big announcement of "Hey, lets kill all the Jews."

 

[KingOrfeo]

I visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C.. What I took away from it was a policy of a thousand small steps that made sense at the time. No big announcement of "Hey, lets kill all the Jews."

What single step in any of it made sense at the time?! Every step was based on assuming the Jews to be some kind of innately evil parasitic danger to gentiles. They're not and they never were.

 

[klingle]

What single step in any of it made sense at the time?!

Building a road on which you can drive at any speed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Building a road on which you can drive at any speed.

Yeah, the Nazis had some good ideas, but those had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

 

[klingle]

Yeah, the Nazis had some good ideas, but those had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

Well, after Hitler revived the economy, the Germans went along with anything. Plus, they didn't like the Jews to begin with anyway. Most probably didn't want to kill them all, but they blamed them for the economic malaise in Germany following the first World War.

 

[Liar]

Obama's 'Dreams of his Father', Julia, and all his talk about how stories are what he's missed in his first four years ... sounds a lot like the same old shit again, doesn't it!

Please zip up, nobody wants to see your Godwin dangling in the breeze.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well, after Hitler revived the economy, the Germans went along with anything. Plus, they didn't like the Jews to begin with anyway. Most probably didn't want to kill them all, but they blamed them for the economic malaise in Germany following the first World War.

That didn't make sense either.

 

[klingle]

That didn't make sense either.

That's what they believed. Himmler's original plan was to send all the Jews to Northern Africa or Morocco, but they were sent to work camps instead. When the deportation idea became impossible, they enacted the Final Solution.

 

[klingle]

And by the way, the death camps were concealed from the public. That said, most people in Germany knew about them before the war ended.

 

[run_silent]

What single step in any of it made sense at the time?! Every step was based on assuming the Jews to be some kind of innately evil parasitic danger to gentiles. They're not and they never were.

It was very similar to today. Are you out of a job? Big business/Jews. Is your pay not enough? Big business/Jews. Can't get a job in Hollywood? Jews. Well according to Mel Gibson.

 

[roleplaylover]

ooohh

It was very similar to today. Are you out of a job? Big business/Jews. Is your pay not enough? Big business/Jews. Can't get a job in Hollywood? Jews. Well according to Mel Gibson.

ooohh

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Nazis, especially Heinrich Himmler, seem to have been obsessed with Germanic mythology. But how much of this obsession was based on actual belief and how much on nationalistic pride or symbolism? Imagery related to Valhalla seem to have been especially popular, but that probably appealed more to the warlike German attitudes than to belief. Thoughts?

See Religious aspects of Nazism.

Within a large movement like Nazism, "it may not be especially shocking to discover" that individuals could embrace different ideological systems that would seem to be polar opposites.[24] The religious beliefs of even the leading Nazis diverged strongly.

Any impression that Nazism was a 'pagan' movement is due to the efforts of Nazi paganists like Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler and Richard Walther Darré.[25] Their beliefs could be called pagan or neo-pagan, but Steigmann-Gall prefers the term paganist to indicate that those "proponents of a Nordicized religion within the [Nazi] party did not actually practice this religion, let alone devise a coherent religious system that could actually be practised. Rather, they advocated the establishment of a faith that ultimately never came into being."[26]

While these paganist elements sometimes dominate the image of Nazism (e.g., in the Discovery Channel documentary Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy), a majority of leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, did not attack Christianity in public or speak out in favour of the recreation of a heathen religion in Germany. This does not necessarily mean that they harboured no anti-Christian sentiments; if they did, for political reasons they would have carefully avoided campaigning against Christianity.[27] The difficulty for historians lies in the task of evaluating not only the public, but also the private statements of the Nazi politicians. Steigmann-Gall, who intended to do this in his study, points to such people as Erich Koch (who was not only Gauleiter of East Prussia and Reichskomissar for the Ukraine, but also the elected praeses of the East Prussian provincial synod of the Evangelical Church of the old-Prussian Union)[28] and Bernhard Rust[29] as examples of Nazi politicians who also professed to be Christian in private.

 

[klingle]

See Religious aspects of Nazism.

Interessant! Danke für die Link.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's what they believed. Himmler's original plan was to send all the Jews to Northern Africa or Morocco, but they were sent to work camps instead. When the deportation idea became impossible, they enacted the Final Solution.

They settled on that no later than 1942 -- see the Wannsee Conference -- and, in fact, the systematic murder of Jews in occupied territories started in 1939 almost immediately after the war started.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It was very similar to today. Are you out of a job? Big business/Jews. Is your pay not enough? Big business/Jews. Can't get a job in Hollywood? Jews. Well according to Mel Gibson.

Big business, at any rate. We had that in America before we had significant numbers of Jews here.

 

[stickwork]

Well, after Hitler revived the economy, the Germans went along with anything. Plus, they didn't like the Jews to begin with anyway. Most probably didn't want to kill them all, but they blamed them for the economic malaise in Germany following the first World War.

Majority seeks low number of kills...

 

[klingle]

They settled on that no later than 1942 -- see the Wannsee Conference -- and, in fact, the systematic murder of Jews in occupied territories started in 1939 almost immediately after the war started.

But that wasn't on a genocidal level. The Reds did pretty much the same thing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But that wasn't on a genocidal level. The Reds did pretty much the same thing.

The SS Einsatzgruppen conducted what amounts to a genocidal program by any reasonable standard. They fell short of the kill-rate of the later extermination camps only because of comparative limitations in their numbers, organization and equipment.

 

[klingle]

The SS Einsatzgruppen conducted what amounts to a genocidal program by any reasonable standard.

That's true, but that still doesn't prove that the German public knew what was happening.

 

[run_silent]

That's right blame Mel Gibson, cause u got no balls to say it yourself, u fucking pussy,

Gosh, I hate when I'm so firmly put in my place. Your statement will be given all the consideration it deserves.