Did busybody cheer when the cranes fell...

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... and Allah sorted them all out?



Or was it, "Just a good start?"

 

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Busy and Allah or muslims? what do you mean?

(just quoting: because he always acts inocently + asks this + adds the 'confused' emoji whenever I call him anti-muslim etc.)

EDIT.
- ouch… didn't know about that tragedy (just saw the news article). I thought yours was just figurative speech, sorry

 

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The news out of Mecca...





http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...-as-crane-collapses-at-grand-mosque-in-mecca/

 

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He is not anti-Islam, he is pro-rationality.


"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."
Ayn Rand

 

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"As hundreds of thousands of refugees stumble from the chaos of an imploding Arab world toward Europe, and as millions more seek refuge closer to home, we see a crisis of confidence in the very structures of Middle Eastern civilization, including religion. Reports that hundreds of Iranian and other refugees from the Islamic world are seeking Christian baptism in Europe can be seen as one aspect of this crisis. If people feel that the religion they were raised in and the civilization of which they are a part cannot master the problems of daily life, they will seek alternatives.

"For other Muslims, this means the embrace of radical fundamentalism. Such fanaticism is a sign of crisis and not of health in religious life, and the very violence of radical Islam today points to the depth of the failure of traditional religious ideas and institutions across the Middle East."

Walter Russell Mead

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-roots-of-the-migration-crisis-1441995372

 

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"In Europe and the West, the crisis is quieter but no less profound. Europe today often doesn’t seem to know where it is going, what Western civilization is for, or even whether or how it can or should be defended. Increasingly, the contemporary version of Enlightenment liberalism sees itself as fundamentally opposed to the religious, political and economic foundations of Western society. Liberal values such as free expression, individual self-determination and a broad array of human rights have become detached in the minds of many from the institutional and civilizational context that shaped them.

'Capitalism, the social engine without which neither Europe nor the U.S. would have the wealth or strength to embrace liberal values with any hope of success, is often seen as a cruel, anti-human system that is leading the world to a Malthusian climate catastrophe. Military strength, without which the liberal states would be overwhelmed, is regarded with suspicion in the U.S. and with abhorrence in much of Europe. Too many people in the West interpret pluralism and tolerance in ways that forbid or unrealistically constrain the active defense of these values against illiberal states like Russia or illiberal movements like radical Islam."

WRM, WSJ

 

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"The utter failure of Western policy in both Libya and Syria has to be seen for what it is: not just a political blunder but a humanitarian crime. The feckless mix of intervention and indifference in Libya and the equally feckless failure to intervene in Syria have helped to trigger the flows of migrants that are overwhelming Europe’s institutions.

"It is impossible to have a humane and sustainable asylum policy without an active and engaged foreign policy that from time to time involves military action. The West’s current stance on human rights and asylum is reminiscent of the liberal approach to questions of peace and war in the early 1930s. On the one hand, the West adopted a high-minded, legalistic stand that declared war illegal (the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928); on the other, we adhered to a blind commitment to disarmament. A noble ideal was separated from any serious effort to create the conditions that would make it achievable."
WRM, WSJ

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I cheered for all.

 

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Got yer poms poms out?

 

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Rome welcomed the Germans...

Uh…I think first and foremost, that Islamism and Islamic terror are unfortunately a phenomenon operating predominantly in Syria and Libya and in northern Iraq, and to which, unfortunately, the European Union has contributed a myriad of fighters as well. And therefore we can’t just sit here and say this is a phenomenon that has nothing to do with us because those are people, sometimes very young people, who grew up in our countries and this is where we bear also a responsibility.

Secondly…uh…fear has never been a good advisor, neither in our personal lives nor in our society. Cultures and societies that are shaped by fear will, without a doubt, not get a grip on the future.

And third, of course, we have this debate that a lot of Muslims also have in which we debate whether Islam even belongs to Germany, or not. But I’m finding that when we have 4 million Muslims in this country, it’s really not debatable whether Muslims belong to Germany but Islam doesn’t, or whether Islam also belongs to Germany.

I see there are these worries, but I have to say that, we all have these chances and all these liberties to practice our own religion as well, insofar as we are practicing it and believe in it. So if I am lacking in something in that, I am not suggesting that someone who practices Islam is at fault for that.

We should have the courage as Christians to enter a dialogue then, and while we are talking about tradition, maybe please go to church every once in a while or become a tad more versed in the Bible and maybe be able to just explain a painting in the church or at least be able to explain what the meaning of Pentecost is. So there I just have to say that a lot of people’s knowledge about the Christian Occident leaves a lot to be desired. But then to come back and complain about how Muslims know more about the Quran than they do about the Bible, I find that very curious.

Maybe this debate will make us want to go back, and encourage us to gain more knowledge about our roots. So far I find this debate to be extremely defensively-minded. Sure one has to prepare against the terrorist danger, but let us all also not forget just how rich European history is of dramatic and gruesome conflict and war.

We should be really careful when we complain if somewhere else something bad is happening. Sure we have to stand up against that, but we have absolutely no ground to stand on to show haughty arrogance toward others, and I have to say that as the Chancellor of Germany.

Angela Merkel​

Now, the Germans welcome Mecca and Tehran...

History repeats.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/09/angela_merkel_meltdown.html#ixzz3lijRqHvG

 

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[F]ormer French minister [Patrick Devedjian] stirred up controversy today after saying Germany 'took our Jews and gave us Arabs' as France began taking some of the thousands of refugees arriving in Germany.

 

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Maybe he should have...

A leading Iranian space scientist was among the 107 killed in a construction crane collapse on Sept. 11 in Mecca’s Grand Mosque.

An Iranian minister confirmed to Fars news agency that Dr. Ahmad Hatami, a member of the Iran Space Research Center, was killed along with eight other Iranians who made the pilgrimage to Mecca.

...

Mir-Moradzehi told the Iranian news agency that the site would be more secure and better results would come if Islamic countries within the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) take the responsibility of handling the hajj ceremony.

http://www.worldtribune.com/top-iran-space-scientist-killed-in-sept-11-crane-disaster-at-mecca/