Define Democrat and Republican.
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Have to admit, it's kinda hypnotizing to look at.
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It's a good question. But if anyone answers using google it will be obvious. Thus, you will have very few serious responses.
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This isn't Europe. Two party system and our fascists survived the war relatively unscathed. Have fun with that thought.
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these "off shore" people are driving me nuts.
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In Africa, not on our pristine beaches....we should drill them.
Drill baby, drill!
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iggy. Later fucko.
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What are you talking about?
BlackShanglan
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Sean -
Some of the better commentary I've seen on the Republican party has focused on the rifts opening within it and the difficulty of finding any one platform that can address all of the concerns. The main split seems to be between fiscal conservatives (favoring a free market and minimal federal government) and social conservatives (focusing on moral values and laws related to them). There's a fundamental split in purpose there between the people who want to cut back government and the people who want the government to make laws about morality.
Add to that a growing new evangelicism that is pushing for more attention to non-sexual elements of faith, like acts of charity, eschewing torture, and aiding the impoverished, and it's not the easy game it used to be to get everyone pulling together and pointed in the same direction. This is especially true when they tend to pitch themselves as the party of industry and business, leading to conflicts between those who want no government role in the market and those who want the government to stimulate the markets and provide tax breaks to business owners.
Democrats look on the surface like they're having an easier time of it, and to some extent (thanks to Bush's plummeting popularity) they do. However, they're looking at similar divisive splits in an almost mirror image relationship to the Republicans. Libertarians split off because they like the party's emphasis on personal freedoms but detest the idea of big-government economic regulation; right-margin religious groups splinter because they like the big government war on poverty and ignorance but aren't comfortable with some of the further-left moral stances.
Honestly, to me the chief defining features don't seem to be platforms at all. They seem to be more emotional or branding related. Republicans tend to focus on tradition, security, and business, and Democrats tend to focus on freedoms and social programs. They both tend to be vague about the details, and I think that's deliberate; the less they say, the less they highlight the fact that they can't please everyone in the big tent.
Some of the better commentary I've seen on the Republican party has focused on the rifts opening within it and the difficulty of finding any one platform that can address all of the concerns. The main split seems to be between fiscal conservatives (favoring a free market and minimal federal government) and social conservatives (focusing on moral values and laws related to them). There's a fundamental split in purpose there between the people who want to cut back government and the people who want the government to make laws about morality.
Add to that a growing new evangelicism that is pushing for more attention to non-sexual elements of faith, like acts of charity, eschewing torture, and aiding the impoverished, and it's not the easy game it used to be to get everyone pulling together and pointed in the same direction. This is especially true when they tend to pitch themselves as the party of industry and business, leading to conflicts between those who want no government role in the market and those who want the government to stimulate the markets and provide tax breaks to business owners.
Democrats look on the surface like they're having an easier time of it, and to some extent (thanks to Bush's plummeting popularity) they do. However, they're looking at similar divisive splits in an almost mirror image relationship to the Republicans. Libertarians split off because they like the party's emphasis on personal freedoms but detest the idea of big-government economic regulation; right-margin religious groups splinter because they like the big government war on poverty and ignorance but aren't comfortable with some of the further-left moral stances.
Honestly, to me the chief defining features don't seem to be platforms at all. They seem to be more emotional or branding related. Republicans tend to focus on tradition, security, and business, and Democrats tend to focus on freedoms and social programs. They both tend to be vague about the details, and I think that's deliberate; the less they say, the less they highlight the fact that they can't please everyone in the big tent.
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For a general answer and to see why we are where we seem to be - Dem OR Rep
WATCH THIS - especially starting around the 5 min mark
( unbelievably BANG ON!!! - 20 years early but we are watching this happening NOW !!)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
I've often wondered how stupid some of the Hollowood elite are when they are so socialist and so mouthy. Don't they realize they'd be the first to go if their "ideal" government were to come to power and run things?
WATCH THIS - especially starting around the 5 min mark
( unbelievably BANG ON!!! - 20 years early but we are watching this happening NOW !!)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
I've often wondered how stupid some of the Hollowood elite are when they are so socialist and so mouthy. Don't they realize they'd be the first to go if their "ideal" government were to come to power and run things?
BlackShanglan
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Ah, yes. Have we learned nothing from Hitler's rise to power? First the movie actors, then the TV show actors, then the mimes. How many times must this sad story play itself out?
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these are the differences
republicans suck and democrats blow
the democrats are the party of bad ideas and the republicans are the party of no ideas. a democrat stands up in congress and declares "i got a horrible idea!" and the republican yells "and i can make it shittier!"
basically it comes down to this. democrats are for big goverment and republicans are for big business. which poison tastes best? dont believe me take a look at the last few presidents.
reagen - lowered taxes in a time of huge goverment spending. created huge deficit but because of all the spending the economy stayed up despite horrible business practices. he made alot of rich people richer.
bush - see above but to a much lesser degree
clinton - raised taxes to pay off deficit. you buy something on credit and eventually you gotta pay the tab. expanded goverment with more programs and agencies. also spent a fuck load of money but in a different way. erased the deficit actually got a surplus and thats where the 2000 tax break came from that W gave out.
W bush - broke all the rules by expanding goverment and lowering taxes. how this works without imploding on itself i dont know. not a poli sci major but i know you cant build a bigger house with less support beams. eventually the room caves in.
but these guys dont matter. they do what their told by the people who control the country. the people who they swear an allegiance too. of course i mean the american special interest groups. them and the lobbyists. i dont care who the next president is. he could ruin healthcare and i would be ok if he could somehow eliminate special interest groups and lobbyists
republicans suck and democrats blow
the democrats are the party of bad ideas and the republicans are the party of no ideas. a democrat stands up in congress and declares "i got a horrible idea!" and the republican yells "and i can make it shittier!"
basically it comes down to this. democrats are for big goverment and republicans are for big business. which poison tastes best? dont believe me take a look at the last few presidents.
reagen - lowered taxes in a time of huge goverment spending. created huge deficit but because of all the spending the economy stayed up despite horrible business practices. he made alot of rich people richer.
bush - see above but to a much lesser degree
clinton - raised taxes to pay off deficit. you buy something on credit and eventually you gotta pay the tab. expanded goverment with more programs and agencies. also spent a fuck load of money but in a different way. erased the deficit actually got a surplus and thats where the 2000 tax break came from that W gave out.
W bush - broke all the rules by expanding goverment and lowering taxes. how this works without imploding on itself i dont know. not a poli sci major but i know you cant build a bigger house with less support beams. eventually the room caves in.
but these guys dont matter. they do what their told by the people who control the country. the people who they swear an allegiance too. of course i mean the american special interest groups. them and the lobbyists. i dont care who the next president is. he could ruin healthcare and i would be ok if he could somehow eliminate special interest groups and lobbyists
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good answer.
Neither extreme is perfect. Just like neither pure capitalism nor pure communism are sustainable.
In a perfect capitalist society, Police wouldn't be needed. Or stop lights. Law itself would be unnecessary, because everyone would simply adhere to basic laws of economics. Until someone figured out how to cheat the system. Human nature prevents a pure honor system society from ever happening.
Pure communism also isn't desireable because of an overabundance of "cheater controls", severely impeding liberty.
In a perfect world, Liberty could be completely unrestrained since no one would cheat. No one would add poison to infant formula to make a bigger profit.
Unfortunately, people as a whole are animals. No escaping it.
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You are clueless.
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Well said! We all know how well governemnt works
Who actually enjoys being "governed"?
I wish there were no bad people who would never take advantage of the system and had perfect ethics.
Law itself could be left to Nature to figure out.
Unfortunately, it turns out that whoever is the first (or best) at cheating such a system becomes the de facto dictator.
It's like the old saying, "better to have two Kings than one".
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You are a moron in the fullest sense of the word.
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Are you French?
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Oh, let's see.
(From a friend)
"Hey, I hear your dog had some pups not too long ago."
"Yup, a litter of 5."
"I heard you called them 'democrats' at first and now you call them 'republicans', why's that?"
"After 3 weeks their eyes opened."
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A democrat is a republican that hasn't been mugged yet.
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A democrat believes that no cause is to small to spend someone elses money on.
Ishmael
(From a friend)
"Hey, I hear your dog had some pups not too long ago."
"Yup, a litter of 5."
"I heard you called them 'democrats' at first and now you call them 'republicans', why's that?"
"After 3 weeks their eyes opened."
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A democrat is a republican that hasn't been mugged yet.
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A democrat believes that no cause is to small to spend someone elses money on.
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