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NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Blasts Off



By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - NASA (news - web sites)'s Deep Impact spacecraft has begun its one-way trip to a fiery confrontation in space — a journey hopefully worthy of its Hollywood name.


The craft blasted off Wednesday on a six-month mission to smash a hole in a comet and give scientists a glimpse of the frozen primordial ingredients of the solar system.


"We are on our way," said an excited Michael A'Hearn of the University of Maryland, the mission's chief scientist. Minutes later, the spacecraft shot out of Earth's orbit and onto its collision course.


Scientists are counting on Deep Impact to carve out a crater in Comet Tempel 1 that could almost swallow the Roman Coliseum. It will be humans' first look into the heart of a comet, a celestial snowball still containing the original building blocks of the sun and the planets.


Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact — 23,000 mph — no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup — set for the Fourth of July — will be equivalent to 4 1/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye like a spectacular fireworks display.


The flight was barely under way when an overheating problem was detected by the spacecraft itself. Onboard computer software put Deep Impact in a protective "sleep" mode that flight controllers expected to emerge from within 24 hours, via recovery commands.


"We don't see it as a long-term threat by any means," said project manager Richard Grammier. The spacecraft is healthy, with the solar panel deployed and generating power, and the temperature increase in the propulsion-system heaters is slight and well within safety limits, he said.


"We'll be there July Fourth," NASA launch director Omar Baez said.


Deep Impact is carrying the most powerful telescope ever sent into deep space. It will remain with the mother ship when the copper-fortified impactor springs free the day before the comet strike, and will observe the event from a safe 300 miles away.


NASA space telescopes like the Hubble will also watch the collision, along with ground observatories and amateur astronomers. The impactor will have a camera, too, that will snap pictures virtually all the way in.


Nothing like this has ever been attempted before.


Little is known about Comet Tempel 1, other than that it is an icy, rocky body about nine miles long and three miles wide. Scientists do not even know whether the crust will be as hard as concrete or as flimsy as corn flakes.


"One of the scary things is that we won't actually know the shape and what it looks like until after we do the encounter," said Jay Melosh, a planetary geologist at the University of Arizona.


The comet will be more than 80 million miles from Earth when the collision takes place — on the sunlit side of the comet, NASA hopes, in order to ensure good viewing by spacecraft cameras and observatories. The resulting crater is expected to be two to 14 stories deep, and perhaps 300 feet in diameter.


Scientists stress that Deep Impact will barely alter the comet's orbital path around the sun and will not put either the comet or a chunk of it on a collision course with Earth. In the 1998 movie "Deep Impact," astronauts try to blow up a comet in hopes of saving the Earth, but the comet winds up being split in two and one section slams into the Atlantic, creating a huge tsunami on the East Coast.


A jagged, cratered comet like the one headed for Earth in the movie would be difficult if not impossible to hit because of all the shadows, Melosh said. Comet Tempel 1 is believed to be smoother and easier to strike, unlike that "Hollywood nightmare."


The scientists came up with the Deep Impact name independently of the movie studio, around the same time, neither knowing the other was choosing it, even though some members of NASA's Deep Impact team were consultants on the picture.





The entire mission costs $330 million.

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I read abou tthis. My first impression was it seemed a radical departure from the pretty careful approach scientists usually take. Sort of vandalism on a cosmic scale.

After thiniking abou tit some, I think it's pretty cool. Commets & meteorites probably have some clues as to how the solar system formed in them. If hittin gone helps us know more, I don't think space will miss a few cubic tons of Temple 1.

thanks Abs :)
 
At some point in time a Deep Impact type of spacecraft will be necessary to destroy a large meteorite before it can do massive damage to our planet. Although the defense of Earth is not the mission of Deep Impact, it will be an important test.

JMHO.
 
I can't help thinking how funny (in a laugh and cry at the same time way) it'd be if they made a embarrassed teleconference on July 4th saying they're sorry but it turns out the mission did alter its course enough to hit Earth. Oops.

Still, Hollywood angle aside it should be fruitful for the astrophysicists as Colly says.
 
rgraham666 said:
Saw this in my morning paper. Very cool.

Gave me an idea for a story.

The words 'deep impact' often give me an idea for a story as well Graham:devil: :D


Yes this should find out a few things on the meaning of life it it works OK... Although if targetting in recent wars is anything to go on, it'll probably miss the solar system.
 
pop_54 said:
The words 'deep impact' often give me an idea for a story as well Graham:devil: :D


Yes this should find out a few things on the meaning of life it it works OK... Although if targetting in recent wars is anything to go on, it'll probably miss the solar system.

Yeah, let's hope we don't get a repeat of the meters-feet fuckup that doomed one of the Mars missions.
 
pop_54 said:
The words 'deep impact' often give me an idea for a story as well Graham:devil: :D


Yes this should find out a few things on the meaning of life it it works OK... Although if targetting in recent wars is anything to go on, it'll probably miss the solar system.

Considering the distances and speeds involved, I'm continually amazed they ever hit anything dead on :)
 
Expect news from of the Cassini Huygens mission's probe after it lands on Titan in the next couple of days. It will take a while to analyse the probe's data.

If there's any chance of life elsewhere in the solar system, Titan's the most likely place for it to be.
 
domjoe said:
Expect news from of the Cassini Huygens mission's probe after it lands on Titan in the next couple of days. It will take a while to analyse the probe's data.

If there's any chance of life elsewhere in the solar system, Titan's the most likely place for it to be.

If anyone catches this, please post it.
 
Why are we bombin em again? Do they have ties to Bin Ladin or maybe WMD?

I wasn't keepin up with the news and must have missed all this. Is this like Bush administrations way to practice blowin up others on a universal scale, for peace and all, of course. Couldn't we just send em a note sayin "Hi."

Are these illegal aliens cosmotologists or cometologists? Can't we just get the russians to invade em with some cosmonauts.

And am I the only one who wonders?

What if they get mad and blow us up back?
 
Colly - the nature of modern science is vandailsm. Think about particle physicists smashing up atoms, chemists smahing up rocks etc and biochemists destroying living things to extract molecules.

I say this as a botanist - all be it a "whole plant physiologsist" and I don't intend to imply that what science does is bad.

R.Richard - it wouldn't work. We managed to hit the moon cause its fuckin huge and is locked in orbit. Hitting a relatively small object moving at incredible speed, millions of miles away - aye right, as we Scots say.

Lisa - I think I agree with you most. If a butterfly's wing can change the weather on earth, then what are the implications for our solar system of this mission? Anyway -they deserve their chance.
 
haldir said:
Colly - the nature of modern science is vandailsm. Think about particle physicists smashing up atoms, chemists smahing up rocks etc and biochemists destroying living things to extract molecules.

I say this as a botanist - all be it a "whole plant physiologsist" and I don't intend to imply that what science does is bad.

R.Richard - it wouldn't work. We managed to hit the moon cause its fuckin huge and is locked in orbit. Hitting a relatively small object moving at incredible speed, millions of miles away - aye right, as we Scots say.

Lisa - I think I agree with you most. If a butterfly's wing can change the weather on earth, then what are the implications for our solar system of this mission? Anyway -they deserve their chance.

I wholly agree on hitting an asteroid or commet approaching earth. It would be something similar to hitting a bullet with a bullet. The more likely scenario is two or three thermonuclear devices with Proximity Fuses and a lot of luck.
 
We'd have to hit them a hell of a long way out. This leads me to the inevitable (for me at least) conclusion - why bother, lets just live our lives from one day to another!
 
haldir said:
We'd have to hit them a hell of a long way out. This leads me to the inevitable (for me at least) conclusion - why bother, lets just live our lives from one day to another!

Considering how hard they are to spot on near eath approaches, I suspect even a big one would be a surprise unless some observer was extremly lucky. Take care :) NN
 
haldir said:

Lisa - I think I agree with you most. If a butterfly's wing can change the weather on earth, then what are the implications for our solar system of this mission? Anyway -they deserve their chance.


Uh, yea!!!! Thats exactly what I was sayin, well, you may have said it a little better.

Anywho, I saw on West Wing where there was a comet gonna smash into earth, but then NASA said "Ooops, we was wrong, it missed us by a few million miles."

I think if we could track them better and found one that might come close to earth we will need to know how to blow it up. The things it could do by coming close would prolly be like big tidal waves, I tried to spell that other thing---no luck, and weather changes and stuff.

This is for the hard science people. Question:
Given the size of the comet they are doing this test on, how close would a comet that size have to get to earth to cause severe changes, and what would some of those changes be?

This is not a hi-jack Abs, still related.
 
Lisa Denton said:
Uh, yea!!!! Thats exactly what I was sayin, well, you may have said it a little better.

Anywho, I saw on West Wing where there was a comet gonna smash into earth, but then NASA said "Ooops, we was wrong, it missed us by a few million miles."

I think if we could track them better and found one that might come close to earth we will need to know how to blow it up. The things it could do by coming close would prolly be like big tidal waves, I tried to spell that other thing---no luck, and weather changes and stuff.

This is for the hard science people. Question:
Given the size of the comet they are doing this test on, how close would a comet that size have to get to earth to cause severe changes, and what would some of those changes be?

This is not a hi-jack Abs, still related.

A near earth pass of a celestial object would likely cause no radical climactic events. It takes something the size of the moon to affect tides, the gravity created by most of the non Kupier belt asteroids is simply negligible compared to earth.

An impact is another story completely. A lot would depend on the angle it collieded, as the atmosphere is our best protection and the steeper the angle, the greater the heat that would build. if thelion's share of the mass of most commets is ice, as scientists suspect, then you could logically expect the majority of it to burn off. One of the questions this test should answer is just how solid the meteroites out there are.

Theoretically, the meterorite hit, which is suspected of killing the dinosaurs landed off the coast of the Yucatan peninsula. The object was miles in diameter. Something as large as that, could really affect climate by throing up a cloud of fine dust into the stratosphere which could take decades if not centuries to dissipate. that's the real danger. Tsunamis or volcanic reaction, while spectacular, would be largely localized, but the dust could create a "nuclear winter" scenario that might result in massive famine and death.
 
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