Death Toll of 10,000 Now Called Unlikely

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Death Toll of 10,000 Now Called Unlikely

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 9 -- City officials said Friday that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath may be far lower than originally feared, as troops and police shifted their attention from rescue of the living to recovery of those who died here in the past 11 days.

The mayor had warned previously that the number of dead in New Orleans could be as many as 10,000, but other city officials said Friday morning that initial sweeps of flooded and devastated neighborhoods suggested a total that would be less cataclysmic, if still tragic.

"Some of the catastrophic deaths some people have predicted may not have occurred," said Col. Terry Ebbert, the city's director of homeland security, declining to provide further details. "The numbers, so far, are relatively minor as compared with the dire predictions of 10,000."

The revised expectations were among the glimmers of hope Friday that pass for good news in the desolate and increasingly empty Crescent City.

Noxious floodwaters continued to recede as more pumps came on line, while power and water pressure were slowly returning to parts of the New Orleans metropolitan area. And two weeks after the first evacuation orders were issued, a steady trickle of departing residents continued to be escorted across the city limits.

Despite earlier threats from Mayor C. Ray Nagin to remove holdouts by force, city officials acknowledged Friday that no one so far had been arrested for a failure to evacuate. Authorities also said they remained hopeful that aggressive persuasion would work on remaining residents, who are being warned that their lives are at risk from toxic floodwaters, scattered fires and other hazards that still menace New Orleans.

"All we can do is plead with them to do the right thing," said Sherry Landry, the New Orleans city attorney. "This city is secure. Their property is going to be okay."

Indeed, more than a week after state and local officials angrily demanded federal assistance, the city is now encircled with military checkpoints and heavily patrolled by about 14,000 National Guard and active-duty troops. Military encampments have sprouted in the Garden District's graceful Audubon Park and other dry locations, while helicopters clatter through the sky and Humvees roar through the streets.

After several days of preparations, the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency and its private contractors began a methodical effort to locate and retrieve corpses and body parts from the floodwaters, trapped inside submerged buildings or tangled in debris. Crews fanned out using flat-bottom boats to deliver corpses into refrigerated trucks parked at the waters' edge.

The bodies are being processed by Kenyon International Emergency Services, a Houston firm with close ties to the Bush administration. Kenyon employees were dressed in white suits, gloves and surgical masks. Company officials have said identification could take weeks in some cases, and next of kin will not be notified until the bodies are turned over to the state of Louisiana.

Reporters were turned away by police in attempts to accompany recovery teams or view them at close range, and authorities said Friday that the restrictions were in place to protect the privacy and dignity of the dead.

FEMA officials came under fire from free-press advocates this week for asking photographers not to take pictures of corpses.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told reporters in Washington that the dead would be recovered "with dignity."

"I want to respect the privacy of victims' families," he said.

Because so many bodies remain unrecovered or unidentified, the official death toll in Louisiana remains at 118. Along the Gulf Coast, a total of 347 deaths so far have been attributed to Katrina.

Elsewhere in the battered region, Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum, the chief of the National Guard Bureau, toured disaster areas in coastal Mississippi and Louisiana on Friday. As many as 50,000 National Guard troops will remain for as long as four months if necessary, he said.

Because troops probably would spend 30-day tours in the area, as many as 200,000 of the available 319,000 troops currently in the United States could serve in the region by the end of the year, Blum said.

In Houston, doctors announced that they had contained a viral outbreak that caused diarrhea and vomiting for hundreds of Katrina evacuees, according to news reports. About 700 people have been treated, with 40 still in isolation to contain the virus, said Herminia Palacio, director of Harris County Public Health and Environmental Services.

The evacuees had norovirus, which is often seen among cruise-ship passengers. About 3,000 refugees are still in the Astrodome using public restrooms, and cots are lined up in close rows.

Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, said there have been reports of similar illness at Katrina shelters around the country but it does not appear to be a widespread problem.

"We're getting reports of clusters of cases of diarrheal illness," Skinner said. "In these shelters, it's important for the medical professionals to pay close attention to hygiene."

Across Lake Pontchartrain from New Orleans, residents of St. Tammany Parish were allowed to return to their homes to survey damage and begin cleanup. Postal offices reopened in many areas south of New Orleans, though flooding made deliveries impossible.

Officials also said the number of customers without power in Louisiana had dropped to 350,000 and that more were coming back on line by the hour. But it could be months before some of the hardest-hit areas, including the Ninth Ward and St. Bernard's Parish, have electricity again, according to an Entergy executive.

New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III told reporters that the department so far has accounted for only about 1,200 of its 1,730 officers. Officials said previously that many officers abandoned their posts in the chaotic days after Katrina struck, while an unknown number may have been killed.

And even as the search for the dead intensified, some troops and police continued efforts to persuade remaining residents to leave. Near the convention center, doctors and other medical personnel are screening residents on their way out of town.

Anthony Robert Nobles, 38, who was waiting under a medical tent for a bus ride, said he had enough food and water to survive in his Center City apartment building, where a group of about a half-dozen friends helped one another.

But Nobles said he finally decided to leave after repeated visits from troops, who warned him about the hazardous water and scrawled the number "5" on his building, indicating the number of people alive inside.

"Nobody wants to up and leave their home," Nobles said. "But today was the day I could feel it. . . . I didn't think it would get any worse, but they said it's going to get much worse."
 
ya but 10,000 sounded dramatic and cool!! It's all about how the media can blow things out of proportion theses days, ya know?
 
You won't unite in peace. Fine. American.
You won't unite in war. Fine. Push.
You won't unite in disaster...

UNAMERICAN!
 
Always happens this way... obscenely high number predicted that goes down and down each day. I remember when the WTC towers fell and for the first day or 2 the predicted death toll was up around 30,000.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Not to mention Afghanistan and Iraq...

;) ;)


News organizations are probably just generally afraid that if they don't sensationalize the story viewers will turn to a competitor.
 
Don't worry, Bush and Chertoff and Brownie ain't done saving them yet. We'll get there.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Anything to destroy Bush.

They reported this story in the quagmire of Vietnam template...


It isn't about destroying Bush.

For me, it is about getting better government. I define better government in two ways.

1) more efficienct, more accountable, less corrupt.

The Bush Administration has started a war and wrecked another country (although it was in bad shape before we went marching in). This is a very top-down group of people and those that don't toe the party line are moved out, e.g., former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. They have run up a large deficit that my children will be paying for. And they have very little to show for the deficit.

2) takes care of its citizens

The Bush Administration seems to be good for only those who are connected to the power group. The long term security of our country has been endangered by Bush's adventure in Iraq. Bush is on record as wanting to be remembered as a great President. He doesn't realize that greatness is conferred in hindsight, not contemporaneously.

The thing you don't seem to take into account is that people who don't like Bush and the coterie around him is that we may have exercised an objective metric to arrive at that dislike.
 
You come off as a broken record. Good government is defined as whatever Bush doesn't do.

I keep posting the good news out of the war on terror and not one person such as yourself wishes to comment on it. There is a lot of good news coming out of the South, but still it's about Bush's failure. This will backfire big time.

Goodnight. I'm off.

PS - I'm not a Bush fan, but it's an American trait to root for the underdawg.
 
overthebow said:
2) takes care of its citizens

The Bush Administration seems to be good for only those who are connected to the power group. The long term security of our country has been endangered by Bush's adventure in Iraq. Bush is on record as wanting to be remembered as a great President. He doesn't realize that greatness is conferred in hindsight, not contemporaneously.

The thing you don't seem to take into account is that people who don't like Bush and the coterie around him is that we may have exercised an objective metric to arrive at that dislike.
Stop asking the government to bail you out! This is the land of opportunity, its the reason why so many want to come an live here. Stop asking the goverment for a hand out!
 
Felix2 said:
Stop asking the government to bail you out! This is the land of opportunity, its the reason why so many want to come an live here. Stop asking the goverment for a hand out!


Look before you leap.

I said nothing about bail outs. Clue in.
 
Felix2 said:
Stop asking the government to bail you out! This is the land of opportunity, its the reason why so many want to come an live here. Stop asking the goverment for a hand out!

Where did he ask for a hand out? There's a lot more to taking care of citizens than that.
 
I don't remember ever hearing an official estimate. The mayor made an offhand remark that it MIGHT be as high as ten thousand. An irresponsible press, took an irresponsible remark, and ran with it.
 
Slowlane said:
I don't remember ever hearing an official estimate. The mayor made an offhand remark that it MIGHT be as high as ten thousand. An irresponsible press, took an irresponsible remark, and ran with it.

But the Mayor who made the remark wasn't "irresponsible"? :rolleyes:

Tell me again, what is your party of registration?

Rhumb
 
The 10,000 death toll estimate was made long before Katrina ever hit the Gulf coast.
It came from a worst-case scenario study made by the city of New Orleans back in 2002. After Katrina hit and it did seem like a worst-case scenario had indeed happened, that report was then pulled out and used as a handbook for property damage and death toll estimates.

It has nothing to do with the media blowing things out of proportion or with slandering Bush.
 
Everyone is going to feel good that they didn't find hardly any dead people - until someone notices all the gators have gained about 300 pounds.
 
Ham Murabi said:
Everyone is going to feel good that they didn't find hardly any dead people - until someone notices all the gators have gained about 300 pounds.


I've been thinking the same thing.


Giant toxic man-eating alligators.


*
 
Overthebow, efficient and government are Oxymorons.

Rely on the Red Cross.
Rely on the Salvation Army.
Rely on the armies of volunteers.
When it comes to government, cross your fingers.

Here's what ya'll accomplished. FEMA just announced that it has distributed record money in record time. We found out that people cashed in who's loved ones died long after or before the Florida Hurricanes...

There's no where near the predicted hysterical death toll and the comparisons of the US with a third-world country. It's fucking not even Fall of '05. Congrats for getting Bush's numbers down ya'll. Kudos. But what next? They've obviously turned a corner in Iraq. Do you jump on Ophelia and hope it's a disaster too? Maybe wishing for an earthquake to use as a stepping stone to getting the "evil" Republican Neo-cons out of office? Un-fucking-American.
 
Big_Drum said:
I've been thinking the same thing.


Giant toxic man-eating alligators.


*

Aw great; mutant alligators from the sewers!

And by the way, shouldn't we be GLAD the death toll isn't as high as originally feared? What, only a large body count will make people care?! :mad:
 
A lower number of dead is a good thing. Anybody that thinks otherwise is a total nutcase.

*****

The lovely Senator Barbara Boxer (D - CA) said on the Senate floor that the Red Cross had no business helping, that it was the job of FEMA and the military.

Not too sure where she came up with that tidbit of information. :rolleyes:
 
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