Death Penalty For Sex Offenders?

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http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1616890,00.html


In the state that is the nation's undisputed death penalty leader, Texas, you might think there is no such thing as a punishment considered too harsh. But as legislators there consider joining the small but growing number of states making certain convicted pedophiles eligible for the death penalty, a surprisingly vocal group of critics has emerged, arguing that the measure is shortsighted, counterproductive and probably unconstitutional.

"There's tough. And then there's Texas tough," Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst declared at his January inauguration as he pledged to press for mandatory 25 year sentences and a two-strikes death-penalty provision for convicted child predators. The proposal is a more extreme version of the so-called " Jessica's Law " passed by the Florida legislature in the wake of the February 2005 rape and murder of nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford. That landmark statute imposed mandatory 25-year prison terms and life electronic monitoring for sex offenders, and since its passage in May 2005 42 states and Congress have implemented or are considering their own very similar laws.

Dewhurst's stance made headlines and has won him kudos from national backers of Jessica's Law such as Fox News's Bill O'Reilly and Adam Walsh, producer of America's Most Wanted. But it also sparked the formation of an unexpected coalition of opponents, featuring some of the state's toughest prosecutors as well as victims' rights groups, both of whom worry that the measure could backfire and result in fewer convictions.

"We saw the tsunami wave coming to Texas," said Shannon Edmonds, state lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association. Last year, South Carolina adopted the death penalty for the second offense of raping a child under age 11. Oklahoma followed, passing Jessica's Law with a death penalty provision for raping a child under age 14. Texas already had some of the toughest child predator laws on the books with its two-strikes rule that sends child predators to jail for life. But the push for even harsher punishment was coming from the state leadership, rather than from the grassroots, as tightening of criminal laws often does. "Prosecutors will tell you these are the most difficult cases to get a guilty verdict on," Edmonds said. "Prosecutors lose more of these cases than any other."

The Texas Association Against Sexual Assault also voiced its concerns about "unintended consequences" of Jessica's Laws. The mandatory sentences can backfire, said TAASA spokeswoman Karen Amacher, as prosecutors lose the flexibility to seek lesser sentences in cases where a jury trial may prove too taxing for a child witness, or a jury or judge may not feel a 25-year sentence is warranted. Since an estimated 80% of child sexual assaults are committed by family members, groups like Amacher's are concerned that mandatory sentence laws, not to mention the death penalty, might dissuade certain people from reporting abuse to authorities. "With sex offenders we want to say let's lock them up and throw away the key — these folks are just awful after all — but it's just not realistic," Amacher said.

Even avowed supporters of the death penalty in murder cases think the Texas proposal would be a bad idea. "If you give the same sentence for molesting a little girl as for molesting and killing a little girl, it seems an incentive to go ahead and kill her," said Michael Rushford, head of the pro-death penalty Criminal Justice Legal Foundation in Sacramento, Calif.

Legal scholars from both sides of the political spectrum have warned Texas legislators the death penalty for repeat sex offenders would likely be declared unconstitutional. In 1977 the Supreme Court ruled in Coker vs. Georgia that the death penalty in rape cases was cruel and unusual punishment. Nevertheless, several states have retained old laws providing the death penalty for rape of minors — including Florida, Montana and Louisiana. Only one state, however, currently has someone on death row charged with raping a child: Patrick O. Kennedy, who faces the death penalty after being convicted in 2003 of raping an eight-year-old. His case is being appealed and could make its way to the Supreme Court, according to Richard Dieter, head of the Death Penalty Information Center.

Even so, prosecutors aren't willing to sit and wait for the highest court in the land to sort it all out. Instead, district attorneys around the state told the legislature that what they really needed were more tools to win cases, not limits on their choices. Working in committee, prosecutors and victims' rights groups managed to include evidence rule changes that would give them more flexibility in presenting child witnesses. The 25-year mandatory-minimum requirement was fine-tuned to apply only to egregious cases such as those involving children under the age of 6 or the use of a deadly weapon. But while it is optional in the bill adopted by the Texas senate, the death penalty remains mandatory for a second offense in the House version. With overwhelming support in both houses for at least a death penalty option, it is likely some kind of capital punishment provision will survive in the final bill that is passed.

Still, if the mandatory death penalty provision for a second offense survives in the Texas bill, it would be 25 years before anyone could face that punishment. They would have to be found guilty of the first offense under the new law initially and serve the mandatory 25 years. If the Senate version with the optional death penalty survives, the politicians will surely trumpet it, but it is unlikely prosecutors would use that new tool, given the time and resources that would have to be poured into a case that would almost certainly be appealed. "I think prosecutors would wait for guidance from the Supreme Court first," Edmonds said.

Just two weeks before the Senate passed its version of Jessica's Law, two men freed on DNA testing after serving 27 years in prison between them for adult sexual assault visited the state capitol. The lone senator to vote against the bill reminded his colleagues of their visit. "At some point we have to decide where do we draw the line on something that's politically right but morally wrong," State Senator Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat, said as he cast his vote. "I'm for the death penalty, but I think it would be nice if we had a system where we got the right one."
 
There's some very good points here, especially this one:

angelicminx said:
Even avowed supporters of the death penalty in murder cases think the Texas proposal would be a bad idea. "If you give the same sentence for molesting a little girl as for molesting and killing a little girl, it seems an incentive to go ahead and kill her," said Michael Rushford, head of the pro-death penalty Criminal Justice Legal Foundation in Sacramento, Calif.
With the child dead, the pedophile might figure he has a chance of getting away with molestation--and what does it matter since either way it's the death penalty? If molestation is a lesser penalty, then he might not risk killing or hurting the child.

The real question is, will a death penalty actually do some good, or will it just, as pointed out, cut down on such molestation being reported as children or parents might not want the molester to die?
 
Not a fan of the death penalty in any case, first off, so you know where I'm coming from.

Painting in broad strokes here, sexually maladjusted people (def: someone who has sexual relations nonconsentually, with non-adults, or with non-humans) have something wrong with their brain chemistry. We should learn from them and try to curtail their activities. Just like they said, Jessica's Law Extreme is indeed shortsighted and unproductive.

I am all in favor of locking the bastards up but killing them achieves nothing. There is a good point made in the argument that 'death penalty for second molestation of young kid' and 'death penalty for second molestation and murder of young kid' will lead to a leveling of such crimes, which I want to draw attention to again. Judicial flexibility is a good thing. Our goal should be to prevent and curtail crime, not to be so quick to slam the books shut that we've forgotten what the case was about.
 
angelicminx said:
Even avowed supporters of the death penalty in murder cases think the Texas proposal would be a bad idea. "If you give the same sentence for molesting a little girl as for molesting and killing a little girl, it seems an incentive to go ahead and kill her," said Michael Rushford, head of the pro-death penalty Criminal Justice Legal Foundation in Sacramento, Calif.
He got it in one. Not to mention the fact that last week the 200th person in the nation cleared by DNA tests (after serving a long jail sentence) was released. That means there are probably 10-20 times that number sitting in jail, hoping for someone to fight for them to get the test (if the material for a test is even available in their cases). I'll be for the death penalty the day after we finally make it 100% certain that only guilty people go to jail (and that people of different income levels, races, or sex aren't convicted at a higher rate). Until then, if a prosecutor convicts someone of a death penalty case which is proven untrue, maybe he should face the death penalty himself. Somehow I think the numbers would plummit.

These advocates have their hearts in the right places, but they should leave the sentencing to the judges. If someone is allowing the rapist of a small child to go free after a handful of years, the problem isn't the sentencing guidelines...it's the idiot in the robe. That problem should be made easier to deal with. That would be a first step I'd be all for.
 
Huh, you know, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but raping children is one case I'm willing to consider it. Still, I'm not a big fan of mandatory sentencing, as "wiggle room" can give the defendant incentive to cooperate and make a plea.

The purpose of Capital Punishment isn't as a deterrant, as it's largely ineffective. Almost no one who commits a crime plans to get caught. The two main reasons are vengence and preventing the convicted of harming others in the future (the latter of which life in prison also accomplishes). The other cold reality is Capital Punishment can help ease prison overcrowding (although such crass arguements generally aren't accepted, sort of like using lower crime rates as a reason to support abortion (see Freakonomics)).

I guess in concept I don't have a problem with these laws, but as pointed out in the article, emotionally written provisions can have unintended consequences.
 
My opinion on the matter:

I don't agree with the death penalty in these types of cases. For all of the reasons stated within the article: possibility of murdering the child because it's the same sentence either way; possibility of wrongful conviction; possibility of actual abuse cases going unreported because the victim doesn't want to see the perpetrater dead, they just want the abuse to stop.

In my opinion, the laws regarding sex offenses aren't clear as it is, so this just seems like it would muddy the waters even further. Each state currently has it's own set of guidelines and, like most laws, leave a lot of room for interpretation. As things stand the term 'sex offender' is associated with a pedophile, or a child predator. That isn't always the case, but the media and the government use the term to stir up public fear.

I understand where the reasoning is coming from, but I think there are too many variables and too many chances to make mistakes that could not be corrected. There are already too many cases where the 'victim' falsely cried abuse. Even in a case where the evidence seems to clearly indicate guilt, there's always the chance that they have the wrong person.

Personally, I'd rather see a child predator/ pedophile castrated than put to death or put in prison for life. But, again, there's still the chance that the wrong person is on trial. And, what do you do to the women?

The laws need to be changed, yes. There has to be away to accomplish the goal of ending child sexual abuse, but I don't think this is it.

Just my two cents.
 
I think the license plates are even going a bit far.

As minx says, not every "sex offender" is a pedophile. There was that story about the 18 year old getting ten years for receiving a blow job from someone under 18 - until the laws are refined some to differentiate between someone who actually harms another person, and cases such as that, I don't see the need for anything "tougher."
 
I am in favor of castrating child molesters and then sentencing them to life in prison with Big Bubba as a cell mate.
 
SesameStreet said:
I am in favor of castrating child molesters and then sentencing them to life in prison with Big Bubba as a cell mate.

But see...you seem to be making the same mistake that many make. "Sex offender" does not always equal "child molester."
 
There's stupid.
And then there's Texas stupid. :rolleyes:

[eta: Not saying everyone in TX is stupid; just that they tend to do things in a big way down there.]
 
It just so happens a member of my family was molested, and quite naturally we wanted the person who'd done it to die. We even looked out for someone whom we could hire to have the guy offed. We didn't find him, and probably just as well--we shouldn't have liked to go on trial for conspiracy to commit murder.

That said, I don't think that every sex offense deserves capital punishment. If I had a dollar for everyone who used the term "pedophile" incorrectly, applying it to someone who is post-pubescent and quite possibly game for it, rather than the pre-pubescent hontestogod children the term is supposed to cover, I could treat all you guys to dinner at Ruth's Chris.
 
SlickTony said:
It just so happens a member of my family was molested, and quite naturally we wanted the person who'd done it to die. We even looked out for someone whom we could hire to have the guy offed. We didn't find him, and probably just as well--we shouldn't have liked to go on trial for conspiracy to commit murder.

That said, I don't think that every sex offense deserves capital punishment. If I had a dollar for everyone who used the term "pedophile" incorrectly, applying it to someone who is post-pubescent and quite possibly game for it, rather than the pre-pubescent hontestogod children the term is supposed to cover, I could treat all you guys to dinner at Ruth's Chris.
We had a sports radio show here discussing comments made by Shaquille O'neil that Michelle Wie (the female golfer who was 16 at the time) was hot. She was about 6' tall and although thin, she could easily pass for 20 if she was made up. Both hosts insisted the comments were disgusting and anyone who looked at her sexually was a pedophile.

The ignorance that is displayed in our society on a regular basis is the biggest reason that I would never agree to support the death penalty. People wonder how laws that are supposed to do one thing wind up getting used to do something entirely different. :rolleyes:

BTW, am I the only one who remembers 30 year-old pro hockey player Sergei Federov dating 15 year-old Anna Kornikova briefly, then remaining "friends" until she turned 18 and they married? Don't remember much of an outcry for a very public "romance".
 
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