Death in story

[AsheBurn]

Does Lit allow characters to die in the story. I have an idea for one but at the end he dies...or maybe goes unconscious.

 

[PacoFear]

Does Lit allow characters to die in the story. I have an idea for one but at the end he dies...or maybe goes unconscious.

Yep. You make the people up. You get to kill 'em.

 

[AsheBurn]

Cool thanks

 

[manyeyedhydra]

looks at back catalogue of own stories...

The answer to your question is yes.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Does Lit allow characters to die in the story. I have an idea for one but at the end he dies...or maybe goes unconscious.

I'm thinking of submitting a story into the Valentine's Day competition with death as a part of it. I like to think the story is different and the part about the death gives the story context. I'm not so sure that a story about killing is acceptible to me though. I think there is a difference. In both instances care should be taken. I'd hate to have someone in court citing my story as the inspiration that brought them there.

 

[SWFL_Wordslinger]

What about crimes of passion? I have a story that is almost finished about a man that finds his wife cheating and tortures them both before killing them. Not sure if that's kosh or not.

 

[estragon]

I do not remember seeing death on the Literotica no-fly list. However, here's my bias--snuff is definitely no-fly. Accidents and disease are OK, murder should be (if it isn't already) verboten. I would appreciate it if Laurel and Manu would weigh in.

 

[PacoFear]

I would appreciate it if Laurel and Manu would weigh in.

They're kinda busy running the site. They don't moderate its various forums.

 

[Auden James]

I do not remember seeing death on the Literotica no-fly list. However, here's my bias--snuff is definitely no-fly. Accidents and disease are OK, murder should be (if it isn't already) verboten.

For what reason?

It's free speech: If murder isn't to be allowed, what do you say about all the thriller and crime novels and TV serials? Why bowdlerize your own thinking and writing? Why deprive yourself of freedom?

 

[PennLady]

Death is fine. Necrophilia is not.

There are plenty of murder mysteries, stories involving soldiers and armies, etc., on this site. That's all fine. I think the line is once you're dead, you don't get to have sex any more, nor can anyone have it with you.

 

[sr71plt]

I write a series of stories here about spying and treachery. Lots of bodies. Even being sexed to death (vampire stories those). Never had a problem getting them through. The deaths are not central to the storyline, though, nor glorified or dwelled upon as a "good thing."

 

[Auden James]

I think the line is once you're dead, you don't get to have sex any more, nor can anyone have it with you.

For what reason? Why is having sex with you and killing you fine, and killing you and having sex with you not?

 

[PennLady]

For what reason? Why is having sex with you and killing you fine, and killing you and having sex with you not?

Actually I am incorrect. I just checked the Writers' Guidelines, which state:

3. No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation.

I saw only two themes forbidden -- underage sex, and bestiality. So I guess if you have someone who wants sex with a corpse, it's okay. Gross but acceptable.

 

[Auden James]

So I guess if you have someone who wants sex with a corpse, it's okay.

Yep: That's what the guideline says.

However, why do you think that things that gross you out ought to be prohibited?

 

[sr71plt]

Yep: That's what the guideline says.

However, why do you think that things that gross you out ought to be prohibited?

Where did PennLady say on this thread that anything ought to be prohibited?

And beyond this, what a Lit. author/reader (including you) says ought to be prohibited or not is irrelevant. It's a privately owned site. The owners have the right/privilege to say what is allowed or prohibited.

Set up your own site and you can have the privilege/right too (on your own site).

 

[Auden James]

Death is fine. Necrophilia is not.

Well, if not explicitly, then it's said implicitly.

And the site owners set the rules, of course. So what? Still anyone can think his own: I simply asked PennLady what's the reason for her point of view.

 

[PennLady]

Well, if not explicitly, then it's said implicitly.

And the site owners set the rules, of course. So what? Still anyone can think his own: I simply asked PennLady what's the reason for her point of view.

Ok, first off, I was wrong when I wrote that statement (The statement in question being: Death is fine. Necrophilia is not.) I post on a few sites, which have a range of what is forbidden and what is not. I thought that death in a story (murder in a mystery, self defense, war, whatever) was fine on Lit, but necrophilia was one of the "nots." I was wrong. Okay? Good.

Second, I never said anything I disapprove of should be prohibited. Believe me, there's a bunch of things on here I don't care for, but I just don't read them. And I'd never say they shouldn't be published. (Key here: I just don't read them.) I am a huge supporter of freedom of expression and those around me know I get pretty peeved when it comes to censorship on books and ideas.

My view on necrophilia is that it is gross. (I need a reason for this POV? Really?) And I doubt I'm alone in that. To go a step farther, what I said was that I think it's gross, but according to Lit's rules, it's acceptable within a story. I have no idea how this got construed into: "why do you think that things that gross you out ought to be prohibited?"

I never said anything like that.

 

[Lady_Fiona]

I snuffed one of my characters, got slagged to high hell for it but it got through so must have been ok.

 

[Pure]

note to ashe and estragon

estragon I do not remember seeing death on the Literotica no-fly list. However, here's my bias--snuff is definitely no-fly. Accidents and disease are OK, murder should be (if it isn't already) verboten. I would appreciate it if Laurel and Manu would weigh in.

laurel delegates the dispersal of information. the answer is that death and murder are not forbidden at Lit.

although bestiality and underage are mentioned, they are not necessarily the only grounds. for instance, unless the story is nonerotic in classification, pure murder or torture murder would be outside what would be posted.

further, my impression is that extremes of torture even with a sexual theme might still result in the story not getting posted.

 

[Auden James]

further, my impression is that extremes of torture even with a sexual theme might still result in the story not getting posted.

And do you think such policy would be right?

@ PennLady
Well, then your statement that death was fine and necrophilia not gave me a false impression. Sorry about that!

 

[PennLady]

And do you think such policy would be right?

@ PennLady
Well, then your statement that death was fine and necrophilia not gave me a false impression. Sorry about that!

Auden -- apology accepted and appreciated.

As for whether a policy prohibiting certain themes is "right" or not -- what does it matter on a privately-owned and -run site? Over at EroticStories.com, where I also post, they do not accept incest, rape, bestiality, or underage sex. Lit does accept incest. StoriesOnline.net has no limits. That's not censorship, that's just the rules of the site that you agree to abide by if you want to post there.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

I think viewpoint and realism are the key factors here.

This is more one of my more extreme submissions:
http://www.literotica.com/s/halloween-nyte

It features a main character being tortured and then killed during sex. This story is okay because, although it's graphic, the violence is fantastic in nature. It couldn't happen in reality. Magic and demons don't exist.

The viewpoint is with the victim(s). It's written to mess with the reader by giving them scenes that both turn them on and repulse them at the same time. But they're always being forced to identify with the victim, because at no point is the story from the killer's PoV.

This is a lot different to a story about, say, a man strangling a woman to death while he rapes her, written in the head of that man and describing how sexy it feels to squeeze her neck in his hands and written to get the reader to jack off to the thought of strangling the life out of a pretty girl. I suspect that might fall foul of the Lit censors unless it was part of larger story that justified it.

Death, neutral. Context, everything.

 

[Darkniciad]

I've written some pretty dark stuff that was from the killer's point of view. However, those deaths weren't sexual in nature, and the story tells the tale of the character in question being tormented for years ( sexually by one of the victims ) by the people he ends up killing. As MEH mentions, the story is also set in a fantasy universe, and the method of death is magical.

Gritting his teeth against the pain, Tharsas formed the gestures of a spell with his horribly burned hands. He forced the words past his dry, smoke stung throat, and the magic came into being.

Lavina began to convulse beneath him as his magic sucked her life from her, and transferred it to him. His blackened flesh turned pink, wounds sealed, and he felt his strength returning as he sucked his hated sister dry.

When the spell's magic faded away, Tharsas was sitting upon a dry husk, which was crumbling beneath his weight.

As he completed the casting, he banished the magical cage around Peronelle with a thought. The huge, disembodied hand he had conjured scooped her up and slammed her against the unyielding stone wall.

Peronelle screamed in pain as her head cracked against the wall, then gasped and screamed again as the hand continued to apply pressure.

Tharsas tilted his head and his lip twitched in a half smile as he listened to Peronelle's scream trail off into a wheeze, the air being pushed from her lungs. He chuckled as he heard the cracks of her ribs breaking, and burst into gales of laughter as he heard the louder cracks of her other bones snapping and her skull bursting.

Waving his hand in a flourish, Tharsas banished the magic. His stepmother's corpse collapsed into a broken, twisted heap on the floor

Those scenes have been reviewed at least three times ( original submission and two edits -- which needs to become three for WAY too many commas. I fixed a few in the quotes ) The context of them driving him to murder ( and madness ) is why they pass muster.

The risks of rejection, as I see them:

• Killer's point of view: The more detail, the more risk of rejection. Double that if the killer is enjoying it and you elaborate.
• Graphic Death: The more horrific the death, the more storyline context you're going to need to justify it.
• Sexual Death: If the death occurs during sex, you're in dangerous territory.
• Real World: The closer the details are to something you might read on the front page of the newspaper, the more danger you're in. Vampire sucking someone dry, no problem. Whak-job tying someone down and biting them on the neck in a sleazy motel, not so much.

 

[sr71plt]

[*]Sexual Death: If the death occurs during sex, you're in dangerous territory.

But, again, fantasy seems to save you. I had a vampire suck and fuck a guy to death in each chapter of a multiparter posted to Lit., and they all went through without question.

 

[Darkniciad]

But, again, fantasy seems to save you. I had a vampire suck and fuck a guy to death in each chapter of a multiparter posted to Lit., and they all went through without question.

I haven't pushed that barrier, but I won't disagree with you. Once you're in the realm of fantasy creatures, there seems to be a fairly high bar for rejection.

The one time where I had a ( horrific ) death happen in a sexual context, I faded to black before it actually happened, and let the reader connect the dots when her animated corpse showed up later, showing the signs of what happened after that fade.

I love that reveal, and that story. It's never done worth a damn in the ratings, and it needs an edit for several things, but the comments and emails have always tickled me -- especially the ones where people mention the creepy images that "Home by the Sea" conjured up in their heads when they heard it.