Day One; Marxist America...

[amicus]

Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace.

One supposes that no 'oaths' were taken in either Iraq one or two? Nor during Bosnia, Vietnam, Korea, World Wars two and one? Or the Mexican War or the French and Indian War or the Spanish War, or the War of 1812 or indeed the Revolutionary years?

. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.[/QUOTE]

Another way of scolding a prosperous America; as with public education, this implies that this nation ought be no better than the common denominator of the world community, as a matter of fairness and equality.

And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to the suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect.

Both Clinton and Obama had/have good speech writers, amplified by practiced delivery, much like actors on stage, they deliver their lines well.

Expect no results in the 'stimulus spending' for the next two years, the pundits say, as the infrastructure rebuilding will take years to plan and implement.

For those who do not recall the Soviet Union's many , "Five Year Plans", in which the Socialist government promised results to an enslaved population if they just worked a little harder and waited a little longer; for those that don't remember, don't be surprised when the Obama five year plan is soon announced.

Socialist, 'pie in the sky', Lennon's, "Imagine..." effete prayers for peace and prosperity through cooperation and equality, have always failed and will fail again as the nature of man dictates competition and individual freedom.



This is day one...more to follow...

Amicus the American...

 

[cloudy]

I see you're choosing to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

No surprise there.

 

[amicus]

That is how the Scientists, Writers and Jews who fled, were referred to in Nazi Germany, they saw what was coming, so too, do I. However, I choose to stay and resist.

I find it interesting to note the less than a quarter of the Colonists, supported Indendence in 1776, another quarter were British Royalists and fully half didn't want to be bothered by such concerns...somewhat reflective of our voting statistics.

How ya do'in ya lil Cannibal? Just got through double cataract surgery and reading and writing have become difficult for the time being.

Now I need to figure how to create a political web log, maybe some kind soul would offer assistance?

Amicus...

 

[cloudy]

That is how the Scientists, Writers and Jews who fled, were referred to in Nazi Germany, they saw what was coming, so too, do I. However, I choose to stay and resist.

I find it interesting to note the less than a quarter of the Colonists, supported Indendence in 1776, another quarter were British Royalists and fully half didn't want to be bothered by such concerns...somewhat reflective of our voting statistics.

How ya do'in ya lil Cannibal? Just got through double cataract surgery and reading and writing have become difficult for the time being.

Now I need to figure how to create a political web log, maybe some kind soul would offer assistance?

Amicus...

I'm doing well, thanks.

I'm glad your surgery went okay. My mother had it several years ago, but just on one eye - the other was, and still is, fine.

A blog? Just go to LiveJournal, Blogger or one of the other free hosting sites, follow the directions for set up, and it's done. They're all fairly easy to use.

 

[starrkers]

What's your solution, Ami?
You point out the problems and tell us Obama's plans aren't going to work, that he doesn't have the answers.
What are the answers?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I find it interesting to note the less than a quarter of the Colonists, supported Indendence in 1776, another quarter were British Royalists and fully half didn't want to be bothered by such concerns...somewhat reflective of our voting statistics.

Not this time.

Now I need to figure how to create a political web log, maybe some kind soul would offer assistance?

Blogger is free and easy. And if you use Firefox/Mozilla as a browser (also free) you can use the ctrl + function to make the type much bigger than in explorer. Might help with the reading issue!

 

[TheEarl]

For those who do not recall the Soviet Union's many , "Five Year Plans", in which the Socialist government promised results to an enslaved population if they just worked a little harder and waited a little longer; for those that don't remember, don't be surprised when the Obama five year plan is soon announced.

I was under the impression that, under the Five Year Plans, Soviet Russia transformed itself from the weak and unindustrialised nation freshly bitchslapped in WW1, to the powerhouse that won World War II and became one of the pre-eminent nations of the world.

Granted, they were usually horrific and cruel to a good proportion of the population, but you've actually picked out one of the economic successes of communism to illustrate your point.

Hope you recover well from your surgery.

The Earl

 

[Guest]

Pats ami on his pointed little head.

There, there. I know it's difficult.

But it's time to face facts.

Your boy is gone, and left his mess for the grownups to clean.

 

[off2bed]

I was under the impression that, under the Five Year Plans, Soviet Russia transformed itself from the weak and unindustrialised nation freshly bitchslapped in WW1, to the powerhouse that won World War II and became one of the pre-eminent nations of the world.

Granted, they were usually horrific and cruel to a good proportion of the population, but you've actually picked out one of the economic successes of communism to illustrate your point.

Hope you recover well from your surgery.

The Earl

Horrific and cruel, but successful. Okaaaaay...

 

[TheEarl]

Horrific and cruel, but successful. Okaaaaay...

It's a lesser known fact that Josef Stalin actually coined the phrase, "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette."

NB. I in no way endorse the economic plans of Soviet Russia. Just in case anyone was wondering.

The Earl


Edited to add. Just researched that to make sure I'm correct. While Stalin did publicise the phrase in the 1920s, it was in fact first uttered by Robespierre. Oops.

 

[off2bed]

It's a lesser known fact that Josef Stalin actually coined the phrase, "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette."

NB. I in no way endorse the economic plans of Soviet Russia. Just in case anyone was wondering.

The Earl


Edited to add. Just researched that to make sure I'm correct. While Stalin did publicise the phrase in the 1920s, it was in fact first uttered by Robespierre. Oops.

Glad we cleared that up. You can draw almost the same analogy with Nazi Germany, as we all know.

 

[TheEarl]

Glad we cleared that up. You can draw almost the same analogy with Nazi Germany, as we all know.

Actually, Nazi Germany (while still not the poster-children for morality) actually had a far better human rights record than the Soviet Union in the 30s. Mind you, they acheived far less improvement from a higher starting point.

Thomas Harris's book Fatherland deals with a 'counterfactual-now' where Germany won the war and exposed the truth of Stalin's massacres in their march across Russia. No-one's heard of the Final Solution, but the gulags were shown to the world and gained the same reputation and condemnation as the Holocaust. Fascinating and cleverly thought-out novel.

NB. I in no way endorse the economic or other policies of Nazi Germany.

[/threadjack]

The Earl

 

[amicus]

Hello, 'TheEarl', been a while since our little nation building game...I notice someone has already taken you to task....but...

"

Granted, they were usually horrific and cruel to a good proportion of the population, but you've actually picked out one of the economic successes of communism to illustrate your point..."

Jonathan Swif'ts. "A Modest Proposal", suggested that fattening up British babies and then butchering them for food might be a solution to the food crisis, and indeed it would be, for a while.

So, too, is slavery, either of Africans, world wide, or Jews and Intellectuals in the Soviet Union as forced labor and starvation.

I did not consider their were still apologists for the Soviets hanging around here. I suppose just the dreamers who consider, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.", as the Holy Grail.

Staarkers, my dear Ozzie; women, because of their nature, always tend to seek paternal guidance in both family and national matters.

They and some effete males and most religious folk, turn to a powerful force outside their own resources to provide for them.

I doubt that you or many on this forum will appreciate this, nonetheless, the free, unfettered mind of man, left to his own devices, is the source of all solutions to problems that trouble mankind.

That said, I specify:

The energy problem has been solved by the energy industry, just get out of their way, stop taxing them, stop regulating and controlling them, and as before, with the incept of electrification of the first city in the world, in America, the market place will provide.

Pollution troubles you? Open all Government owned land to private ownership and protect the property rights of the owners. In a system of laws, anyone who pollutes his neighbors space is subject to prosecution.

Education a problem? Abolish mandatory education by public funds, abolish property taxes and allow parents to determine the level of education their children receive. Now, I expect you, along with others, to scream your lack of faith in your fellow man to properly care for his children....my answer to that, is, you judge others by your own actions.

Global warming? Gimme a break, Climate Change is a natural event, as is the rise and fall of ocean levels and arctic ice packs and the wobbly ole planet we call earth. World wide, volcanic activity, sub ocean and surface and methane releases from natural sources, pump a million time more into the atmosphere than the puny efforts of mankind. Do the research.

Health care on the Soviet Plan? Yeah, sure, even those nations experiments are finding they are forced to limit care and even so find they cannot serve the public without year long waiting lists.

Health care, like every other service, is a commodity, subject to market forces. You want ample, excellent, low cost health care? Abolish the AMA, or what ever serves as the medical Guild in your country, abolish Pharmacists and all the FDA prohibitions and let the market supply you with an oversupply of physicians and other medical practioners and the needed drugs.

In case you find my suggestions preposterous, I offer a single, well, two words as the philosophical base: Human Freedom.

If y'all would stop treating the economy like a father or a God, and let men be men.....ah, well...I have said that a thousand times before....

Amicus...

 

[TheEarl]

Hello, 'TheEarl', been a while since our little nation building game...I notice someone has already taken you to task....but...

"

Jonathan Swif'ts. "A Modest Proposal", suggested that fattening up British babies and then butchering them for food might be a solution to the food crisis, and indeed it would be, for a while.

So, too, is slavery, either of Africans, world wide, or Jews and Intellectuals in the Soviet Union as forced labor and starvation.

I did not consider their were still apologists for the Soviets hanging around here. I suppose just the dreamers who consider, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.", as the Holy Grail.

Errr, amicus? I voted Tory at the last election.

As the "I in no way endorse" note was intended to subtly imply, I didn't say that the Five Year Plans were a good thing. They were just hugely economically successful. Which, considering that you were using them as an illustration of how planned economic policies were doomed, suggests that you should reach for cultural and historical references which you actually know about. There are far better examples of why planned economic policies are doomed.

On a related note, Swift suggested butchering Irish babies for food, not British. That was the point of the essay - to mock the fact that people disregarded the Irish famine.

Maybe you should stick to the rhetoric, huh?

The Earl

 

[amicus]

Errr, amicus? I voted Tory at the last election.

As the "I in no way endorse" note was intended to subtly imply, I didn't say that the Five Year Plans were a good thing. They were just hugely economically successful. Which, considering that you were using them as an illustration of how planned economic policies were doomed, suggests that you should reach for cultural and historical references which you actually know about. There are far better examples of why planned economic policies are doomed.

On a related note, Swift suggested butchering Irish babies for food, not British. That was the point of the essay - to mock the fact that people disregarded the Irish famine.

Maybe you should stick to the rhetoric, huh?

The Earl

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Y'know, TheEarl, we have been going at this, tit for tat, for years now. I make a comment about your economic leanings and you deny it. Perhaps it is time for you to observe your own philosophical and psychological leanings and ask your self the question of why you nitpick, especially my posts, as you do.

It has been forty years since I formally studied World History, let alone, British or Irish History and I am not about to search and refresh my memories as a foil to your accusation at this particular time.

"...usually horrific and cruel...", Anyone who could make that statement and yet claim that slave labor was 'hugely successful', simply does not comprehend the essential necessity of including humane treatment as a foundation for economic success.

Whether Swift was advocating cannibalism of the Irish or the English, is a moot point as far as I am concerned, the point he was making is the same one I am; that one does not sacrifice humans or human rights based on Marxist Ideology.

Further, in the hodgepodge that is British History, it is difficult to determine if Ireland ever did manage a successful Independence from British rule and just when that might have occured.

British Colonies were world wide at one time, and if historians did not have such a jaundiced eye, they might question, as I do, if England helped or hindered in the quest for human freedom.

You have a much longer history than we, as Americans, do, thus a much richer stew to taste, and some of it is awful.

'Stick to rhetoric,eh?' Aw, well, be a poor loser, see if I care.

Amicus...

 

[cloudy]

You have a much longer history than we, as Americans, do

Speak for yourself. My culture's history here is very long.

 

[amicus]

Y'know, Cloudy....please consider this...for a long while, immigrants from Ireland and many other nations, were and are called, "Irish Americans" or African Americans, or Mexican Americans, and I suppose you wish to be identified as a 'Native American'.

Thas just fine with me...but....

Insofar as I can recall, no other nation in the world accepts the prefix you claim, you are a Canadian, a Mexican, a Brazilian, a Russian, or Japanese or Chinese.

Wars are fought...wars have been fought for all the history of mankind, and the stronger people absorb the weaker. Thas a fact of life.

There will never again be, in this country, unless there is a catastrophe of unimagined violence or the 'end of days', never again will there be a 'Tribal', society outside the street gangs of LA and NY.

The other night I watched a television special about the White House, and how the institution reveres its past by preserving artifacts from the Revolution and later into present day.

Methinks one does overmuch honor one's heritage at times, perhaps to the detriment of one's own time and existence.

Quite the same on a political and economic basis, there are many in America that would prefer a Monarchy, even to this day, and those who wish a more socially involved government and those who do not.

I accept those differences and disagree with them at the same time and attempt not to belittle and demean, unless I am first set upon.

The rhetoric of Obama and the Left, is socialist by definition. Rather than snarl at my calling a spade a spade, why not just admit you see things otherwise and let it go at that?

But then, well, geez, you would never ring me up?

Such a deal...

amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Usual Suspects seriously expect Obama to whip out his magic wand, do a reverse double somersault, and shit a pile a wood nickles.

But the reality is things aint gonna change til the folks get busy rootin for money Obama can use to fatten up our elites.

As we speak, things are still going to hell, but he put on a fine party last night.

 

[Pure]

reminder

those taken with amicus' present words of wisdom adn predictions, will do well to remember he predicted obama would be overwhemingly defeated.

and james b said obama will never be elected.

"wise words in mouths of fools do oft themselves belie"

a nickle to the first one who remembers the source of this saying.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

I think errors are more of a problem for you than me. I dont think Babe Ruth or Ted Williams ever hit more than .500 in a season. Tis true that AMICUS and I occasionally miss a pitch, but folks like you never get a hit.

At any rate, I called the Depression correctly. You dont see any of the nay-sayers fessing up with a Crazy Johnson was right!

 

[DesertPirate]

When looking at Obamas voting record, his actions, not his words, I fear Ami might be right.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

The Usual Suspects seriously expect Obama to whip out his magic wand, do a reverse double somersault, and shit a pile a wood nickles.

But the reality is things aint gonna change til the folks get busy rootin for money Obama can use to fatten up our elites.

As we speak, things are still going to hell, but he put on a fine party last night.

No one's expecting miracles. It's going to be a long, hard slog, and it's going to get worse before it gets better, but it has to be done. And unless you have a better solution, you're not saying anything worth listening to.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMEN DOC.

Wishin & hopin wont work.

I'm not waiting for Obama to roll up his sleeves and spit on his hands. Most Americans arent. But Obama can at least keep the goddamned thieves out of my pockets while I'm toiling. I dont think he will.

 

[off2bed]

When looking at Obamas voting record, his actions, not his words, I fear Ami might be right.

"Present"

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Marxism hasnt worked where its been tried. If it worked Russia would still be communist.

Marxism never works because most people are LAZY or TREACHEROUS. Most people demand to ride in the wagon. But sooner than later the wagon pullers say FUCK YOU to the riders, and the free rides are over.