Dang! I was rejected!

[Chimney Sweep]

I just had a non-consent story rejected! They said it was too violent or something.

It's not like I had her getting her tits lopped off with a scimitar or anally probed with a baseball bat or anything - hell, I thought I softend the blow (heh) pretty well. I swear I've read more aggressive and nasty stuff out here. Hmpf! Dangit! Now I have to go edit the thing....maybe it's time to use one of the provided editors....

Anybody else get slapped down, denied, blocked, rejected, or otherwise told to go bugger one's self by the keepers of Lit?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Yep.

It's not fun.




A helpful hint for your editing:

Non-consent was designed to be about "victim's" fantasy, not rapist fantasy. As such, the victim is supposed to enjoy the process.

 

[Chimney Sweep]

Yep.

It's not fun.




A helpful hint for your editing:

Non-consent was designed to be about "victim's" fantasy, not rapist fantasy. As such, the victim is supposed to enjoy the process.

It is told from the perspective of the guy, the "rapist," but I thought I couched it well in terms of an existing relationship (long-term boyfriend/girlfriend) and with knowlegde of her true desires. I even ended it with a nod to her getting hooked on the rough stuff and leaving the guy beacuse he didn't want to have to be that violent all the time.

The male lead is portayed as angry at the time, so that's probably a big strike. There is some light bondage which may be too much, and some candle wax - hell, I don't know! I don't know how many iterations of "inocent schoolgirl abducted by black men who anally raper her with telephone-pole dicks but she learns to love it" I've read out here. Some of the BDSM stuff seems awfully violent as well.

I am reviewing it now - I don't see the problem.......

 

[KillerMuffin]

Did she show obvious signs of liking the rape while it was happening? That's generally the problem in this sort of a rejection.

 

[Madame Manga]

It is told from the perspective of the guy, the "rapist," but I thought I couched it well in terms of an existing relationship (long-term boyfriend/girlfriend) and with knowlegde of her true desires.

If you went for psychological realism, I imagine that's the real problem. Nonconsent fantasy is just that--totally unrealistic fantasy. Bondage, candle wax and mobs of enormous black men usually don't have anything to do with Lit rejections, AFAIK. Angry attitude does, though.

MM

 

[Uther_Pendragon]

One story rejected for being too short. Another rejected
for posting style, but later accepted. (Don't use
e-mail posting if you can avoid it.)
It's Laurel's site; she sets the rules.

 

[sweetnpetite]

It's not always true that it's the 'victim's fantasy' only that gets accepted at lit.

For example, I have a story about a woman who graps a knife and starts telling her husband that she's sick of him not paying attention to her, not worying about her pleasure, ect, and she is going to be in charge now. (In case anyone is interested, it's called 'Enough is Enough')

Now, although it is not particularly violent, it still breaks the 'rule' of it being the victims fantasy. AND it has a very angry attitude- I should know I was feeling angry when I wrote it.

I'd have to guess that there was a more specific problem which would be hard to guess without seeing the story itself. There is a forum for evaluating stories before they are posted. I'm not sure if they would take your story or if that would help, but it's a suggestion. I think it's in 'Story Discusson Circle."

 

[Guest]

It's not like I had her getting her tits lopped off with a scimitar or anally probed with a baseball bat or anything - hell, I thought I softend the blow (heh) pretty well.

Well, if the above attempt at humour is any indication I can hardly imagine what your story depicts, and would not be interested in reading it. Did you really mean to say that not being mutiliated or tortured would make violent non-consensual sex more palatable?

Perdita

 

[Gary Chambers]

HEY SWEEP,

I haven't read your story, of course, so this is just a thought rather than advice.

Presumably you want to portray your victim as actually enjoying the experience. I have known one woman who wanted to be raped because it was the only way she could enjoy sex. I've never written about her, but if I did I would have to think about what went on in her head; what past history made her that way; how did she justify her own actions as she manipulated her lover into the rape? The lady concerned was sexually abused as a child, and as an adult she was indoctrinated with wacky extremist religious views. Her mother was a suicidal former prostitute who spent all her money on chain smoking and donating to TV preachers. She would never come right out and ask to be raped. She would get drunk and horny on cheap wine, and as the loving got underway she would turn violent, then laugh when I defended myself. She really needed to fight while she made love, which turned her lover into a rapist, reluctant or otherwise. She was terrifying yet she was herself terrified; she was happy yet she was so angry she could really injure you for loving her; she was a wanton, filthy slut, yet she needed desperately to be a respectable lady; she was an animal, yet she was so very human. My heart went out to her even as I raped her, because I knew how badly she needed to feel some kind of pleasure.

Think about the people involved in this scenario. Think how twisted the experience was, and how tortured both people were inside. These are deep and fragile characters, Sweep, who need the touch of a sensitive writer. This is a lot more than stroke. It's a psychological drama with an erotic theme or motif. Your characters need to live through you. As you create them, if you create them well enough, they will live almost as real people with little more help from you. I'm guessing that could get a rape story through the acceptance process even if written from the rapist's point-of-view. That's just a hunch though. I'm thinking you have chosen a very difficult subject to start creating your Literotica body of work, but that's okay because a good writer is always pushing the boundaries. If you push those boundaries, however, you must expect that editors will sometimes tug your leash. It comes with your chosen territory.

My favourite quote comes into play again:

"You are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut

 

[wishfulthinking]

I think the pov it is written from has little to do with it. In my mind the basic premise is that a person does not at first want / like what is happening to them, comes to enjoy it despite themself.

However, I don't know where the line is, because I recently came across a story in this category where a man and his girlfriend tie up someone else and apply electricity through her nipples and clit. Can't say how the story ended as I definitely pressed the back button on that one!

 

[raphy]

CS, as an already-admitted long-time reader of non-consent, I'd be happy to give your story a once-over, if you wanted some more insight on maybe why it was rejected..

PM me

 

[MathGirl]

Originally posted by Chimney Sweep Anybody else get slapped down, denied, blocked, rejected, or otherwise told to go bugger one's self by the keepers of Lit?

Dear Chim,
Sure, I did once. No big deal. I keep telling myself I've gotten over it. <sniff>
MG
Ps. KM: Nice sox.

 

[Chimney Sweep]

Re: Re: Dang! I was rejected!

Well, if the above attempt at humour is any indication I can hardly imagine what your story depicts, and would not be interested in reading it. Did you really mean to say that not being mutiliated or tortured would make violent non-consensual sex more palatable?

Perdita

I apologize if my attempt at humor fell flat, and I was not trying to trivialize the issue. My point was that I have seen FAR more aggressive and violent (in my opinion) stuff out here than my story. I honestly thought I had been fairly soft with it.

I apologize for the insensitive remark. I do get a bit flippant at times.

I am not even a proponent of the genre. I wrote the story largely as an excercise to see if I could do it wellI've either done it too well or not well enough, and I'm betting on the latter.

 

[Guest]

Chimney, your remarks and apology are very much appreciated.

Perdita

 

[Dirt Man]

Re: Re: Re: Dang! I was rejected!

I apologize if my attempt at humor fell flat, and I was not trying to trivialize the issue. My point was that I have seen FAR more aggressive and violent (in my opinion) stuff out here than my story. I honestly thought I had been fairly soft with it.

I apologize for the insensitive remark. I do get a bit flippant at times.

I am not even a proponent of the genre. I wrote the story largely as an excercise to see if I could do it wellI've either done it too well or not well enough, and I'm betting on the latter.

Things to note: 1.) Is the story meant to turn women on? By that I mean is the story in line with certain women's ways of thinking, or is it just a male hate thing towards women, or one woman? If so then expect it to get rejected immediately. Here, and anyplace women visit, or are expected to participate. 2.) Realizm can be taken too far in non-consent stories as you have already guessed. In non-consent one has to remember that this is supposed to be a fantasy work of fiction. Make it too real, and you might as well be reporting the evening news broadcast.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

 

[lovinanalandy]

Did your story feature the poor woman getting a cell phone shoved up her ass? That won't necessarily get it rejected, but you will get in heaps of trouble on the boards for it.

P.S. If you don't know what the hell I'm talking about but are actually curious, here's the thread I'm referencing: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188646. Read at your own risk.
P.P.S. For those who do know what the hell I'm talking about, sorry if it opens old wounds. I don't post for four months and then throw out that bomb -- some nerve, me.
P.P.P.S. MathGirl, I miss haiku. And I'm really sorry your right fielder can't catch a fly ball. I heard he won a gold glove. Obviously not for his playoff performance.

 

[Gary Chambers]

Anyone Heard of This Biblical Rape?

I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in the Bible belt, and we were talking about the fact that so many erotica writers feel they need to hide their true identity. That's not the issue. We've already hashed the identity matter over on another thread. During the conversation, however, my friend mentioned that he had been told of a Biblical passage in which a man rapes his daughter, then kills her and dismembers her body. He said he'd heard of this passage enough times from enough people to believe it exists, but says his knowledge of the Bible isn't good enough to quote chapter and verse. Anyone heard of such a tract? If it exists, one could consider writing a version expanding it into a larger stand alone work. Then when the complaints start rolling in, the author can just say it's an adapted story from the Bible.

 

[Gary Chambers]

Freedom & Responsibility

Did your story feature the poor woman getting a cell phone shoved up her ass? That won't necessarily get it rejected, but you will get in heaps of trouble on the boards for it.

Andy, I read the first page of posts at the link you provided. It was more than enough to get the picture. As I read the exerpt from the offending story I was reminded of a passage by the Marquis De Sade (can't recall which novel). In the passage a couple have sex while watching their children burned alive by their servants. Sick as this kind of thing may be, I am still opposed to censorship. Bullets and guns kill, yet entire political movements exist to make sure they remain available. I've yet to hear of anyone being killed by words or even by pictures. I do think, however, that people should be screened before gaining access to that sort of extreme literature.

While most readers will see such work as an exercise in exploring the darker side of the mind, there is the odd psychopath who will take it as endorsement or vindication of their most twisted and evil desires. If you are open minded enough to read such literature, then you should be open minded enough to answer a few routine questions from a homicide detective, next time some sicko sex criminal leaves a corpse in your community. After all, there are responsibilities with freedom, and since I'm for maximum freedom, I'm also for maximum responsibility.

 

[wishfulthinking]

Censorship might not be the answer, but I would like some sort of warning before reading a story when all of a sudden out comes this mobile phone (or should I be saying, in goes...). However, it would definitely be a case of not the size that counts, but how it is used!

Yes, I also admit to being mainstream!

 

[Pure]

Hi Chimney Sweep,

I don't agree with some of the suggestions as to your 'problem'.

The issue of violence in non consent is complicated. Certainly not all 'nonconsent' stories are gently forceful and then steamily orgasmic.

A little look at the category shows several stories with a high degree of violence, e.g,

The Restaurant Cashier, ch 1 by stalkerman
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=23558

Restaurant Nightmare, by blondefungirl
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=109463

Is your story more violent than these?

There are two possible conclusions (at least):
1) A fair degree of violence is allowed.
2) A fair degree of violence slips by, though not in theory allowed.

As to 'orgasm', it's been noted that sometimes it's rather implausible: as if inserted to get the story passed.

If 2) is the case, it may well be the packaging of your story, or just 'dumb luck' that accounts for what happened.
You can draw the appropriate conclusion.

If you want to discuss matters, PM me. I'm reasonably sure, if it's a good story, not a hack effort, it can be 'tweaked' and/or repackaged so as to get through.

J.

 

[Pure]

Gary C said,

Anyone Heard of This Biblical Rape?
I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in the Bible belt, and we were talking about the fact that so many erotica writers feel they need to hide their true identity. That's not the issue. We've already hashed the identity matter over on another thread. During the conversation, however, my friend mentioned that he had been told of a Biblical passage in which a man rapes his daughter, then kills her and dismembers her body. He said he'd heard of this passage enough times from enough people to believe it exists, but says his knowledge of the Bible isn't good enough to quote chapter and verse. Anyone heard of such a tract? If it exists, one could consider writing a version expanding it into a larger stand alone work. Then when the complaints start rolling in, the author can just say it's an adapted story from the Bible.


Judges 19:22+ is closest to what you describe regarding dismemberment, but not of the man's own daughter.

Genesis 19:30 has father-daughter incest, no dismemberment

As to your suggestion, which is perhaps a joke: A story doesn't get past Laurel and/or meet Literotica standards just because it's in the Bible. There's lots of sex in the Bible that's offensive by the standards of the present Christian Right, and according to proposed internet censorship legislation.

J.

 

[Gary Chambers]

Judges 19:22+ is closest to what you describe regarding dismemberment, but not of the man's own daughter.

Genesis 19:30 has father-daughter incest, no dismemberment

As to your suggestion, which is perhaps a joke: A story doesn't get past Laurel and/or meet Literotica standards just because it's in the Bible. There's lots of sex in the Bible that's offensive by the standards of the present Christian Right, and according to proposed internet censorship legislation.

J.

Pure,

It was a half joke. It's not something I have any intention of doing. I do have a story on deck featuring group sex with a possible religious theme, but stealing violent rape scenes from the Bible to slip around editors has not yet been proven necessary in my view. On the other hand, for those anxious to explore the limits of extremism in their stories, I did think it might be a workable approach.

This thread and another on a similar subject did convince me to submit my third story to Lit tonight. It's got lots of violence, even leading to gruesome death, but while it happens simultaneously with the sex, it's not part of the depicted sex acts so it's going to be interesting to see whether it passes the screening process. I originally wrote it just to see if I could create a story that defied another publisher's total ban on violence in erotic stories.

Thanks for the Biblical refs by the way. I've clipped and saved them for future reference, and will look them up next time I have a Bible at hand.

Regarding the proposed Internet censorship legislation, would you happen to know what the bill is called or where one can find its text? I can't imagine how anyone could write a law that could be at all effective in this regard, so I would like to see how it's drafted.

 

[Dirt Man]

Re: Anyone Heard of This Biblical Rape?

I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in the Bible belt, and we were talking about the fact that so many erotica writers feel they need to hide their true identity. That's not the issue. We've already hashed the identity matter over on another thread. During the conversation, however, my friend mentioned that he had been told of a Biblical passage in which a man rapes his daughter, then kills her and dismembers her body. He said he'd heard of this passage enough times from enough people to believe it exists, but says his knowledge of the Bible isn't good enough to quote chapter and verse. Anyone heard of such a tract? If it exists, one could consider writing a version expanding it into a larger stand alone work. Then when the complaints start rolling in, the author can just say it's an adapted story from the Bible.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but there is no such passage anywhere in the King James Bible. The nearest thing that comes close is about Lot's daughters seducing him while he slept.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

 

[champagne1982]

Re: Re: Anyone Heard of This Biblical Rape?

Sorry to dissapoint you, but there is no such passage anywhere in the King James Bible. The nearest thing that comes close is about Lot's daughters seducing him while he slept.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

Errmmm... He wasn't asleep, he was drunk. Drunk on wine, not just one night but, in fact, two. First for the eldest daughter and the next for the youngest.

You just have to look at where that family was from to guess why incest would seem sinless to the young women, even incest from when their dad gets too drunk to remember. I find that remarkable though. If he was that impaired, how in the world did he get it up?

 

[Gary Chambers]

Re: Re: Re: Anyone Heard of This Biblical Rape?

Errmmm... He wasn't asleep, he was drunk. Drunk on wine, not just one night but, in fact, two. First for the eldest daughter and the next for the youngest.

You just have to look at where that family was from to guess why incest would seem sinless to the young women, even incest from when their dad gets too drunk to remember. I find that remarkable though. If he was that impaired, how in the world did he get it up?

Nice one!

He must have been pretending to be drunk. As a reasonably normal male, I can tell you that even thinking back to my most virile younger years, I'm certain there is absolutely no way any man could get that drunk and satisfy any woman. I have a friend who is a priest. He likes to point out that many stories in the Bible are interesting and carry important morals or themes, but he adds that they are not necessarily true. Of course, some other clergymen say he'll go to hell for that, but they don't seem to worry him much.