Dana Scully story?

[darkdeviant]

anybody here fancy collaberating on a kinky twisted "basic instinct" style story featuring the x files' Dana Scully falling under the spell of a criminal with a penchant for deviant sex games? PM me if interested....

 

[snooper]

anybody here fancy collaberating on a kinky twisted "basic instinct" style story featuring the x files' Dana Scully falling under the spell of a criminal with a penchant for deviant sex games? PM me if interested....

If you mean a fictitous story about Gillian Anderson that is one thing, but if you mean what you say, and intend to use the Dana Scully character please remember that a lot of people did a lot of hard work to create that character and to bring it to the advanced state it is now in. What you are suggesting is THEFT of that work, and if that means nothing to you, it is also PLAGIARISM.

 

[Carnevil9]

If you mean a fictitous story about Gillian Anderson that is one thing, but if you mean what you say, and intend to use the Dana Scully character please remember that a lot of people did a lot of hard work to create that character and to bring it to the advanced state it is now in. What you are suggesting is THEFT of that work, and if that means nothing to you, it is also PLAGIARISM.

Isn't "fan fic" an established and acceptable genre?

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Not So Quick

I have considerable respect for Snooper and agree to many of his opinions, but I'll have to differ on this one.

I started my Lit experience by writing CSI stories, using the characters no less lovingly created by their writers. If that makes me guilty of plagiarism, then so be it. The stories have been well received and highly voted, although some (still 5.00) never received enough votes to achieve the H rating.

But the rating is not the point. The point is, I feel a person can write about established characters. If this was a forum that competed commercially with the characters, Snooper would be legally and morally correct. But as this is a site sheerly for entertainment with no intent to financially capitalize on the established characters, what harm is done ??

That's just my opinion. I have since found it more challenging and enlightening to invent my own characters.

FYI, when writing the CSI characters I did some web-based searches and found many sites that had invaluable details. It's amazing what people (fans) see and share. I'd suggest you research to make any potential story as plausible as possible.

Sorry, Snooper. That's just my opinion.

 

[emap]

AsylumSeeker now see there is one thing you forgot, the monthly contests, if you win that based on your CSI story you win money. Just posting it means you have a chance of winning money, which smacks you right into the very thing snoopy is talking about, your using someone elses copy protected materials to make money or trying to make money. Course after that first month it's really basically just a fan fiction again, but for that first month your plagiarizing with intent to make money. Yes you were to, you said it yourself it received votes, that is what they are for.

Granted something like that the writers of CSI probably will go oh so what, same with X-files, however there is the chance they will say hey wait a second and come after literotica, because they are the ones hosting the story. Not that I think any of them would, but still possible.

 

[snooper]

Isn't "fan fic" an established and acceptable genre?

Yes - it is established, acceptable is more complicated.

Some originators of intellectual property welcome it, but most do not. If an author does not have the prior permission of the owner of the intellectual property it is a breach of copyright and actionable as such in court in any country which is a signatory to the Berne Convention (see here).

An example of the way it works is that a writer who uses the pseudonym Sean O'Halloran came to me with an idea for another "Kobekistan" book. I am tired of this series so I have given him permission to write it himself, and have supplied the necessary background files. If someone came to me with an idea for the next Merciful Nun book I would refuse such permission because I have two more books in that series in progress.

I have considerable respect for Snooper and agree to many of his opinions, but I'll have to differ on this one. ...

Yes, I am aware that we differ on this.

If this was a forum that competed commercially with the characters, Snooper would be legally and morally correct. ...

But it does compete with other sites such as the one where I sell my stories; moreover it competes with a big advantage, in that it is free to users, whereas a reader has to pay to download one of my novels. I know I could get 100 or maybe even 1000 times the readership if I posted my books on here for free.

... however there is the chance they will say hey wait a second and come after literotica, because they are the ones hosting the story. Not that I think any of them would, but still possible.

Try plagiarising Disney and see how fast the lawyers arrive.

If you read the blurb that Lit puts on the top of all "Celebrities" stories carefully, you will see that clearly fictitious stories about real people are the only ones protected by that disclaimer. If you write a story about a named real President of the USA having sex with an intern in the White House and do not make it clear that this is fiction, you had better be able to prove in court that it is true, otherwise it is libel. I do not know what the US wording is, but in English law it has to be "true as to fact and fair as to comment" or you have to say it is fiction.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

If you mean a fictitous story about Gillian Anderson that is one thing, but if you mean what you say, and intend to use the Dana Scully character please remember that a lot of people did a lot of hard work to create that character and to bring it to the advanced state it is now in. What you are suggesting is THEFT of that work, and if that means nothing to you, it is also PLAGIARISM.

I have to agree with Snooper on this. Also, to me it's a very lazy way of writing, taking someone elses' characters and writing a story for them.

About fanfic being acceptable, I don't know. I don't write it, I don't read it, and I don't agree with it.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Not Likely

AsylumSeeker now see there is one thing you forgot, the monthly contests, if you win that based on your CSI story you win money. Just posting it means you have a chance of winning money, which smacks you right into the very thing snoopy is talking about, your using someone elses copy protected materials to make money or trying to make money.

Now that's a stretch if I've ever heard one. And I'm more likely to get sucked into an F5 tornado than I am to win a monthly contest (believe me, this is truer that you may think).

That being your justification, why not invalidate from any contests stories that are based on the works of others?

By the way, even if I got the votes, I don't think I can win a monthly contest for stories that were submitted a couple of years ago.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Lazy? No!

I have to agree with Snooper on this. Also, to me it's a very lazy way of writing, taking someone elses' characters and writing a story for them.

About fanfic being acceptable, I don't know. I don't write it, I don't read it, and I don't agree with it.

DK, I have to disagree with you, especially about the 'lazy' comment. I responded to readers who loved the CSI characters and wanted to 'envision' something happening between characters that the series writers flirted with but did not provide. I spent many hours scouring the web to learn the details about the characters, and its amazing what's out there. I used the tiniest details to bring life to the characters.

It's easy to create and develop my own characters. It's a challenge to write about a character that's already created by someone else and trying to keep within the framework of believability for fans who are on an intimate level with them.

In fact, my devotion to keeping the characters believable is why I ended my CSI writings, because readers wanted things to happen that were not within the parameters of believability in my mind.

Well, the late-night call and death threat may have helped as well <kidding>

 

[drksideofthemoon]

DK, I have to disagree with you, especially about the 'lazy' comment. I responded to readers who loved the CSI characters and wanted to 'envision' something happening between characters that the series writers flirted with but did not provide. I spent many hours scouring the web to learn the details about the characters, and its amazing what's out there. I used the tiniest details to bring life to the characters.

It's easy to create and develop my own characters. It's a challenge to write about a character that's already created by someone else and trying to keep within the framework of believability for fans who are on an intimate level with them.

In fact, my devotion to keeping the characters believable is why I ended my CSI writings, because readers wanted things to happen that were not within the parameters of believability in my mind.

Well, the late-night call and death threat may have helped as well <kidding>

That's my problem, what gives any writer the right to take someone characters and move them in a direction that they possibly didn't want?

When you write fanfic, you are riding the wave of someone else's success. Your success in writing fanfic has less to do with your abilities as a writer, than it does with the work put in by the creators of the series.

 

[FazilKotuk]

What about when one takes made-up characters and puts them in the same universe or background? Just a question here, as to what snooper thinks on that issue. I personally don't see that as the same thing. I can see the issue with, say, using Scully or using Veronica Mars. Or Angel, Buffy, etc. But what about someone in the same alternate reality?

 

[snooper]

What about when one takes made-up characters and puts them in the same universe or background? Just a question here, as to what snooper thinks on that issue. I personally don't see that as the same thing. I can see the issue with, say, using Scully or using Veronica Mars. Or Angel, Buffy, etc. But what about someone in the same alternate reality?

My characters in the "Delights" series of 11 novels took some effort to create, but the background universe was a lot harder. I now have a standard intro to the spin-off short stories (see the Prologue to A HUnting We Will Go). In that story I offer a map of the hunting grounds (attached to this posting). I also have maps of the country, street maps of the capital city and the seaport, floor plans of the Triple Palace and the Other Ranks' Brothel, and detailed descriptions of dozens of rooms, leaving aside the notes on costume, lists of regionallty approrpiate names, recipes for local food, etc.

The characters are similar to many stock literary characters, for example the randy widow appears in many writers' works from the Greek plays via Chaucer (The Wife of Bath) and Shakespeare (Mistress Quickly) to modern novelists. I clearly cannot claim copyright in the idea of a randy widow, but if you call your randy widow Mrs. The Honourable Diana Featherstone, née The Honourable Diana Sturgess then it would definitely be breach of my copyright.

The concept of a country that time forgot, where the rules of some past age still apply in the present time, is also a stock scenario (e.g. Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle's The Lost World) but my universe of Kobekistan is copyright in the details of the countryside, the buildings, etc., and again, most particularly in the names of places and buildings, and their juxtaposition.

I hope this helps.

 

[snooper]

... Also, to me it's a very lazy way of writing, taking someone elses' characters and writing a story for them. ...

Sorry, Drksideofthemoon, I don't think that plagiarism is necessarily lazy. If you read how much work Asylumseeker had to do to write his CSI stories, it possibly takes more effort than inventing his own characters. I have been appalled by the amount of work Sean O'Halloran is doing to get himself "up to speed" with Kobekistan.

I suspect that lazy writers simply never finish anything properly. To see what I mean, try being a Volunteer Editor!

 

[emap]

Hey I resemble that remark.

Oh yeah snoopy I got an email about the zombie story, he said I should get a new editor because it was loaded with run on sentences, typos and bad grammar. One thing I don't get, is he saying I suck or that you suck?

Personally I won't just take someone else's characters and do a story with them, besides being illegal, it's rather pointless, I mean seriously, if you want to say get better at writing, copying what someone else has done won't help. Besides that, it doesn't speak well for your intelligence.

However, you are allowed to say copy the theme to a certain degree, with changes of course, like for an example, Nancy Drew and Murder She Wrote, both are about a woman who solves crimes with her intelligence, sharp eye and witty chatter. The difference lies in the details, Nancy is a young teenager who just does it for fun, Murder is different in she is a writer who does it because the police are inept, it was her friend, or she was going to work with the person murdered or accused.

Another example, zombies, when you say zombie everyone goes oh brain eating undead. Yes, however I took a zombie story and turned it on it's ear by having said zombies have sex, how they make more zombies. George Romero won't be beating my door down with lawsuits, but I still basically swiped his story. Course he rather swiped it to begin with, zombies being a very old tale.

dark what that means is that if say you were to propose a story idea of an FBI woman falling under the spell so to speak of a twisted guy who does all sorts of seriously twisted things you may get a better response, though not to likely, an intelligent analytical woman is very unlikely to fall into said persons arms. Not to say it wouldn't happen, just one of those to weird for a story things, it's a live at 6PM news thing.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

That's my problem, what gives any writer the right to take someone characters and move them in a direction that they possibly didn't want? QUOTE]

Apparently I did not take the CSI characters in directions the writers did not want. Although my CSI stories did it first, the characters in the TV series did end up "getting together sexually" much later, and with the investigators I wrote about.

Okay, it may have been a lucky guess, but hey! It happened! Not to the level of sexual detail that I provided, of course, but it happened!

I've been playing devil's advocate a bit. I understand DKs intention. Most writers would "borrow" the name knowing that most readers would know the details, and then not do the research but rather let personal fantasy place established, well-known characters in situations that were completely out of character. In my CSI I actually wrote a "TV show", with a murder, an investigation, plausible reactions by the researched characters, etc., along with sideline plots. But I may be the exception here, and not the rule.

But it has proven to be an interesting discussion nonetheless.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Sorry, Drksideofthemoon, I don't think that plagiarism is necessarily lazy. If you read how much work Asylumseeker had to do to write his CSI stories, it possibly takes more effort than inventing his own characters. I have been appalled by the amount of work Sean O'Halloran is doing to get himself "up to speed" with Kobekistan.

I suspect that lazy writers simply never finish anything properly. To see what I mean, try being a Volunteer Editor!

When I used the word lazy, I meant that in regards to borrowing existing characters, and properties, not the work into producing the story.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Look people. Fan Fic takes a well known character (real, game character or whatever) and write a story using that character.

The problem I have with this idea is that Dana Scully's personality is so far from what this guy wants to write that it won't work. All you end up with is another of the long list of Fan Fic stories with some non-discript character you want to fuck with the same name as some celeb, but not the celeb personality you have in you mind.

Sorry.

 

[rodwilst]

Right on Jenny...

There is a site I have visited that is devoted to Fan Fic and it is mostly
garbage that is poorly written. Even there Best Of(insert year) is mostly
crap.

 

[darkdeviant]

jesus, it was only a request! I think you people take yourselves just a little too seriously here!

how is it a year or so ago I read a hot roleplay here featuring the character of Scully and now its considered so out of order to even consider writing an erotic fic about the character?

I'm sorry but I won't be coming back here- I think I'll head to where people have some fun....

 

[drksideofthemoon]

jesus, it was only a request! I think you people take yourselves just a little too seriously here!

how is it a year or so ago I read a hot roleplay here featuring the character of Scully and now its considered so out of order to even consider writing an erotic fic about the character?

I'm sorry but I won't be coming back here- I think I'll head to where people have some fun....

I personally respect other peoples' copyrights and won't infringe upon them. Just as I expect everyone to respect the copyright of what I have written. Other writers don't feel the same compunction, or just don't care.

Good luck.

 

[emap]

I think not his reason for leaving.

He is leaving because nobody has come up and said oh I so will do that for you. You are the god of story ideas and your every idea is gold.

OK probably not that exactly though close, I mean besides the long discussion on plagiarism a couple people said it's not a very good story idea. Which it isn't, because well it is seriously one of those only on the news stories simply because an analytical woman doctor turned FBI agent is so very unbelievable as falling for one of those nutcases.

Though I suppose if you restructure it a little, like say this fruitcake is not her boyfriend but instead the subject of an investigation and say our heroine is somehow trapped alone with him and captured. Which would be believeable and interesting, but not what he wanted.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Sorry You Left

I think the request was legit, if not a little self-serving. And if I had the time I would have researched the web to learn the intricate details and I would have written an episode that would portray the characters accurately while also including sex as I did in CSI. But I have watched CSI and have not been a fan of X-Files.

Another problem, I don't have that amount of time.