damn (that is the extent of my editorial commentary)

[minsue]

Blast, Mushroom Cloud Reported in N. Korea

33 minutes ago


By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea, sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday.

The Yonhap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Beijing, said the explosion happened Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county blasted a crater big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.

"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (about 2-2 1/2 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," Yonhap quoted an unidentified diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.

North Korea was founded Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that Thursday's reported explosion was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than 1 million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.

South Korea's Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said Sunday the government was in the process of confirming reports there were signs of an explosion in North Korea.

"I am not aware of details such as the size of the damage," he was quoted as saying by Yonhap after a National Security Council meeting.

On Saturday, North Korea said recent revelations that South Korea conducted secret nuclear experiments involving uranium and plutonium made the communist state more determined to pursue its own atomic programs.

The South Korean experiments, conducted in 1982 and 2000, were likely to further complicate the already stalled six-nation talks aimed at dismantling the North's nuclear development. South Korea has said the experiments were purely for research and did not reflect a desire to develop weapons.

On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.

The source in the Yonhap report said Thursday's explosion reportedly was bigger than the train explosion.

 

[Guest]

Damn.

 

[cloudy]

Speechless.

 

[cantdog]

This makes him safe from us.

We don't mess with nuclear equipped states the way we do with small, disarmed, defenseless places, with oil.

 

[Weird Harold]

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that Thursday's reported explosion was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than 1 million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.

I've been reading about this on Google news -- they've gone from 66 hits the first time I checked to around 120 hits last time I looked.

The more I read about it and with the revelation it occured near a known missile base, I'm leaning towards a missile test gone wrong more than I am a possible nuke test.

 

[Liar]

I second the damn.

Question is how much info and confirmation about this the rest of the world is going to be able to lure out of N Korean officials. They're not exactly famous for their open-ness about things like this. Disaster or deliberate explosion, I don't think they'll be too keen on issuing a press release.

#L

 

[Guest]

DefCon 1!

DefCon 1!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colin Powell said the explosin was not nuclear. That seems pretty reasonable, when your country is as small and poor as north Korea, you aren't very likely to render part of it unuseable in an above ground atomic test.

Considering the location is close to a ballistic missile base, the odds greatly favor an accident, possibly with propellant for the missiles.

That isn't to say they aren't capable of a nuclear blast, but in this case it seems pretty obvious thay didn't go out and intentionally nuke themselves.

-Colly

 

[minsue]

Powell: N. Korea Explosion Wasn't Nuclear

55 minutes ago


By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea, sending a plume of smoke more than two miles wide into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday. Secretary of State Colin Powell said the explosion Thursday was not a nuclear test but that it was not known yet what caused it.

"There was no indication that was a nuclear event of any kind. Exactly what it was, we're not sure," Powell said, speaking on ABC's "This Week."

Powell said there were "some activities taking place and some sites that we're watching carefully, but it is not conclusive that they are moving toward a test."

The explosion happened at 11 a.m. Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China, according to the Yonhap news agency.

Yonhap carried reports from unidentified sources, with one in Washington saying the incident could be related to a natural disaster such as a forest fire. It also cited a diplomatic source in Seoul as raising the possibility of an accident or a nuclear test.

Yonhap later quoted Kim Jong-min, spokesman for the presidential office, as saying:

"Currently, we are trying to find out in detail the exact character, cause and size of the accident, but we don't think North Korea conducted a nuclear test."

North Korea is believed to be developing nuclear weapons. International experts would likely have been able to detect a test if one had occurred several days ago.

"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (2.1 to 2.5 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," the source in Seoul told Yonhap.

The agency also quoted an unidentified government official as saying there was seismic activity related to two blasts in North Korea at 11 p.m. Wednesday and 1 a.m. Thursday.

Thursday was the anniversary of North Korea's founding on Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, but one analyst said an open test, as opposed to one below ground, would be difficult in such a small country.

"It's difficult to say, but it won't be easy for North Korea to conduct a nuclear test without resulting in massive losses of its own people," said Koh Yu-hwan, a North Korea expert in Seoul. "I think there is a (greater) possibility that it is a simple accident, rather than a deliberate nuclear test."

Yonhap's diplomatic source in Seoul said the explosion took place "not far" from a military base that holds ballistic missiles. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than a million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.

The damage and crater left by the explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county was big enough to be noticed by a satellite, a source in Beijing told Yonhap.

Kim Jong Il on Sunday met Li Changchun, a senior official of China's Communist Party who was on a goodwill visit to Pyongyang, said KCNA, the North's official news agency. Li delivered a letter from Chinese President Hu Jintao, KCNA said.

KCNA did not mention the reported explosion. China had said that the agenda for Li's talks would include North Korea's nuclear development.

On Saturday, North Korea said recent revelations that South Korea conducted secret nuclear experiments involving uranium and plutonium made the communist state more determined to pursue its own nuclear programs.

The South Korean experiments, conducted in 1982 and 2000, were likely to further complicate the already stalled six-nation talks aimed at dismantling the North's nuclear development. South Korea has said the experiments were purely for research and did not reflect a desire to develop weapons.

On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.

The explosion on Thursday was bigger than the Ryongchon train explosion, which devastated a wide area, Yonhap said.

 

[minsue]

Colin Powell said the explosin was not nuclear. That seems pretty reasonable, when your country is as small and poor as north Korea, you aren't very likely to render part of it unuseable in an above ground atomic test.

Considering the location is close to a ballistic missile base, the odds greatly favor an accident, possibly with propellant for the missiles.

That isn't to say they aren't capable of a nuclear blast, but in this case it seems pretty obvious thay didn't go out and intentionally nuke themselves.

-Colly

You beat me to it.

I'm not sure how much better I feel about an accidental explosion of that size.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

You beat me to it.

I'm not sure how much better I feel about an accidental explosion of that size.

Don't despair too much baby. Some of the most powerful non nuclear explosions have been with rockets. The fuel has to be astronomically potent, to move a mass that large to ultra sonic speeds. In an uncontrolled explosion, the energey released is close to unbelieveable.

-Colly

 

[minsue]

Don't despair too much baby. Some of the most powerful non nuclear explosions have been with rockets. The fuel has to be astronomically potent, to move a mass that large to ultra sonic speeds. In an uncontrolled explosion, the energey released is close to unbelieveable.

-Colly

My despair is due to the fact that accidents, especially those of that size, generally involve tragic consequences for those nearby.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

My despair is due to the fact that accidents, especially those of that size, generally involve tragic consequences for those nearby.

That's always the case, but one good thing is that this occured near a base. Considering how insular and paranoid the North Korean government is about their military installations, the odds are very good there was no significant civilian population close by.

-Colly