Dagnabit BUSH: It's the Economy!

[SINthysist]

Whoops. It's improving! What were those important issues again Democrats? "Kitchen-table" issues?

Oh yeah. Mondale's dropping like a rock. Might not carry his state this time.

Carnahan's sinking too.

Will you guys finally fire McAuliffe? He lost you one election and now he's praying just to stay even and by ya'lls own admission, you have the perfect clown in office to take advantage of. If Terry can't take advantage of a Dullard, shouldn't you get a new party leader, or does he get three strikes. It's not HIS fault after all...

 

[TWB]

It's improving? You will have to be more specific.

I just read unemployment is up again.

 

[Guest]

I'm really surprised that you have a girlfriend, SINth.

 

[Weevil]

Whoops. It's improving! What were those important issues again Democrats? "Kitchen-table" issues?

Oh yeah. Mondale's dropping like a rock. Might not carry his state this time.

Carnahan's sinking too.

Will you guys finally fire McAuliffe? He lost you one election and now he's praying just to stay even and by ya'lls own admission, you have the perfect clown in office to take advantage of. If Terry can't take advantage of a Dullard, shouldn't you get a new party leader, or does he get three strikes. It's not HIS fault after all...

The problem, AJ, is that he mixes stupid with sleazy and Americans are just stupid and just sleazy enough to buy it.

It's hard selling Moet to someone looking for Thunderbird.

 

[TWB]

Check it out.

Part of the article:



Jobless Rate Rises to 5.7% in New Sign of Lagging Economy

By KENNETH N. GILPIN

Reflecting considerable caution about the future, the nation's employers pared payrolls last month, the Labor Department reported today. As a result, the unemployment rate inched higher, to 5.7 percent, from 5.6 percent in September.

The employment news was one of a series of reports issued today that economists said painted a picture of an economy that began the final quarter of the year with little or no momentum. And, they said, there are few signs that activity will accelerate anytime soon.

"There is a gray, psychological cloud hanging over the economy," said Mickey

D. Levy, chief economist at Banc of America Securities. "These things don't last forever. But certainly we are in a bad patch."

The Labor Department said payrolls outside the farming sector declined by 5,000 in October, the second straight month they fell. In a revised estimate, the department also said nonfarm payrolls fell by 13,000 in September.

Job cuts came largely in manufacturing, construction and temporary employment services. Those losses were largely offset by gains in service sector employment.

Most worrisome to economists was the 49,000 jobs shed by the nation's manufacturers. The reduction is the 27th consecutive monthly decline. And the pace of job losses has increased. Manufacturing job losses have averaged 47,000 a month since July, compared with 20,000 a month from April to July.

"I have never seen the business community this hunkered down," said James Glassman, senior economist at J. P. Morgan. "The business community is running the tightest ship I have ever seen."

Further evidence of weakness in the manufacturing sector was provided by the Institute of Supply Management, which conducts a monthly survey of the nation's purchasing managers. The report showed that the I.S.M.'s index declined to a reading of 48.5 in October, from 49.5 in September.

"Manufacturing is contracting," said Paul Kasriel, director of economic research at the Northern Trust Company in Chicago. "The unemployment rate is going up, and other than the Federal government there is no real catalyst to restart the economy."

Mr. Kasriel said economic growth in the fourth quarter would be about 1.5 percent "if we are lucky."

 

[TWB]

RE: Carnihan being 4 pts behind in latest poll, there are still a large number of undecided. And of the respondents identifying themselves as Democrats, 11 percent were undecided, compared with 6 percent of Republicans.

I think she will still pull it out.

 

[SINthysist]

The problem, AJ, is that he mixes stupid with sleazy and Americans are just stupid and just sleazy enough to buy it.

It's hard selling Moet to someone looking for Thunderbird.


That's the best laugh I've had all day.





TWB - Do you remember stagflation? The misery index. Days when you couldn't buy a house because of 20% interest rates? Double-digit unemployment? It wasn't that long ago.

We just came out of a recession. As mush as I distrusted Greenspan, we had a remarkably soft crash-landing. The tax-cuts must have done something too. Less than 6% unemployment in the BEST of economic times is about the best you can do because most of that is the terminally unemployable... Those that know they have to get a job, but resent it and end up quitting or getting fired time after time after time be it for addiction, mental illness, or just plain damned laziness.

 

[TWB]

Syn, while I often think you are unable to properly determine facts, I never thought you were a bald face liar. Where do you see mondale dropping? Rush again?

 

[SINthysist]

Sorry, the Democratic Negatives are begining to pile up.

This Wellstobe thing backfired and is KILLING her because it reminds Missourians of how she got "selected" (thanks for that word Hillary) to office...

 

[Guest]

TWB - Do you remember stagflation? The misery index. Days when you couldn't buy a house because of 20% interest rates? Double-digit unemployment? It wasn't that long ago.

We just came out of a recession. As mush as I distrusted Greenspan, we had a remarkably soft crash-landing. The tax-cuts must have done something too. Less than 6% unemployment in the BEST of economic times is about the best you can do because most of that is the terminally unemployable... Those that know they have to get a job, but resent it and end up quitting or getting fired time after time after time be it for addiction, mental illness, or just plain damned laziness.

Wow, you are a G-Dub fan. You change the context like a pro. You make a statement like "The Economy is improving", it's shown to be getting worse and you now say "In the overall sense, in a historical context, it could be a lot worse"

Brings me back to the giddy days of Bush's "Are you saying that Texas doesn't care about kids?"

 

[Weevil]

Me again.

 

[SINthysist]

Yes. He quoted from internal Republican polls. As you point out, Carnahan is dropping. Why can't he be.

Every day, we're getting new news of ballot tampering. That isn't good because it's the Dems that are doing it.

I even saw an analysis of Carnahan's chances that stated simply, they will come down to what happens in St. Loius, where people got arrested over the LAST election and a Liberal Judge decided to keep the polls open until the votes were there!






You were the first name-caller.

 

[SilvaTungDevil]

Carnahan's sinking too.

You mean gaining.

 

[TWB]

TWB - Do you remember stagflation? The misery index. Days when you couldn't buy a house because of 20% interest rates? Double-digit unemployment? It wasn't that long ago.

We just came out of a recession. As mush as I distrusted Greenspan, we had a remarkably soft crash-landing. The tax-cuts must have done something too. Less than 6% unemployment in the BEST of economic times is about the best you can do because most of that is the terminally unemployable... Those that know they have to get a job, but resent it and end up quitting or getting fired time after time after time be it for addiction, mental illness, or just plain damned laziness.

I do remember it. I am not certain we are too far away from it either. There is not much more Alan can do re: dropping interest rates. Unemployment is rising. 6% is not the best you can do. We have not seen 5+ is a while, so that is hogwashy, and the trend is upward. The retailers are all shaking in their boots. The small retail business failures will increase in January after the xmas seasons suck.

Pretty soon we will be back to 1/3 to 1/2 of every tax dollar we pay going to pay off debt. We will soon be fucked due to your bushie's stupidity.

 

[Weevil]

I even saw an analysis of Carnahan's chances that stated simply, they will come down to what happens in St. Loius, where people got arrested over the LAST election and a Liberal Judge decided to keep the polls open until the votes were there!

Mind you it's an analysis he wrote himself.

 

[TWB]

Yes. He quoted from internal Republican polls. As you point out, Carnahan is dropping.

Every day, we're getting new news of ballot tampering. That isn't good because it's the Dems that are doing it.

I even saw an analysis of Carnahan's chances that stated simply, they will come down to what happens in St. Loius, where people got arrested over the LAST election and a Liberal Judge decided to keep the polls open until the votes were there!

Oh god. Do you want me to bring up Florida? You can't trust Rush's interpretation of anything because it is so absurdly tainted. You are living in a big fat liar's mind.

Too bad.

 

[TWB]

Consumer Rating of Economy.

 

[Lost Cause]

Those negative waves........

The economy of the US is like a big dreadnought, it takes forever to turn around or adjust your course. It's coming back dispite the doomsayers in the financial towers. Have we set ourselves up this way, or is a typical partisan manuever to discredit the standing prez. Is this attitude the product of this "instant" society, and the present, "I want it now" lifestyle?
I've lived through alot of downturns, the instant answer is tax relief, and limiting government spending in all but specified services already in place. (It's called a fucking budget) Government isn't required to save us, we are responsible for the people wasting the money, we will be responsible after Nov 5th too.
If a threatened big government is cornered by the taxpayers, the ones pulling the wagon, it usually lashes out by closing parks, suspending police/fire manpower, and other forms of punishment to those that dare oppose the out of control special interest spending.
Dubya isn't stupid, he wouldn't commit to this military buildup if he knew it would cripple the economy, come on! If you want to point fingers, look at the Haiti invasion in '95, the money was from the savings made from the 8-10 years prior to then. That administration spent the surpluses like a kid spending his inheritance, so the economy is a combo of factors, influences, and people.
Keep your patience, vote your beliefs (not your emotions), and wait till things turn around like always. (buy low, sell high!)

www.lp.org

 

[Weevil]

Re: Those negative waves........

Dubya isn't stupid,

Yes, yes he is.

 

[Lost Cause]

Stupid? State supporting facts...

A fighter pilot? A businessman , an active owner of the Texas Rangers? Is it based on that bogus IQ thingmobobbie that used an arbitrary number and compared IQ's before there were SATs?

 

[Weevil]

Re: Stupid? State supporting facts...

A fighter pilot? A businessman , an active owner of the Texas Rangers? Is it based on that bogus IQ thingmobobbie that used an arbitrary number and compared IQ's before there were SATs?

A "fighter pilot", A failed business man who had everything in life handed to him through family connections, an active owner of the Rangers who was thought to be an obnoxious figurehead unawares of his lack on involvement in the team(A team, BTW, that under his tenure traded away Sammy Sosa) A cokehead.

And a man who struggles with grammar in a way my daughter will have fixed by the time she's 8.

 

[Lost Cause]

All propaganda vs facts........

Look, I gotta go out into this brave new world for a bit, I'll get back to this later. I don't want the label of a hit and run poster like I seem to have by having a life outside the Lit. Have a good one!

 

[Weevil]

Actually as a retraction I'd say ducking service in Vietnam was a sign of an intelligent man.

 

[Weevil]

Oh, and while the other things might be disputed(by people too slow to actually look into statements such as "He was a businessman) his poor grammar is an absolute truth.

 

[Texan]

Consumer Rating of Economy.

Speaking of "absolute truths," charts, like stats can say whatever you want them to say.

On the chart posted by TWB, take a look at the "months" row across the bottom. Unless you look closely, you would never notice how screwed up the chart is.

Oh well (or hell) most people see what they want to see, and then find the evidence to back it up.