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[size=0.5]The CIA has taken much of the blame for the security lapses that led to 9/11 and the false intelligence on Iraq's WMDs. But now one spy has broken ranks to point the finger at the politicians - and warn that the war on terror could plunge the US into even greater danger. By Julian Borger

Friday August 20, 2004
The Guardian

These are not happy times at the CIA. In the space of a few short months, two official reports have found the agency principally to blame for failing to prevent the September 11 al-Qaida attack and for claiming that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt there is a lot of blame to go round. The twin fiascos rank as the worst intelligence failures since the second world war. But the two reports, by the September 11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee respectively, were also testaments to political expedience. Both panels were made up of Republican and Democratic loyalists who reached a political compromise by going relatively easy on both Clinton and Bush administrations, and focused on institutional culprits. The CIA, without a defender after the resignation in July of its long-serving director, George Tenet, presented the easiest target.

Yet most of the agency's rank and file believe they have done little wrong. They were the first to raise the alarm over the danger posed by Osama bin Laden, long before the 1998 embassy bombings in East Africa. In 1996 they set up a unit called the Bin Laden Issue Station, codenamed "Alex", dedicated to tracking him down, only to have one operation after another aborted as too politically dangerous.

There are a lot of angry spies at Langley, and one of the angriest is Mike Scheuer, a senior intelligence officer who led the Bin Laden station for four years. While some of his colleagues have vented their frustrations through leaks, Scheuer has done what no serving American intelligence official has ever done - published a book-length attack on the establishment. His book, Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, is a fire-breathing denunciation of US counter-terrorism policy. In it, Scheuer addresses the missed opportunities of the Clinton era, but he reserves his most withering attack for the Bush administration's war in Iraq.

He describes the invasion as "an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but whose defeat did offer economic advantage". He even goes so far as to call on America's generals to resign rather than execute orders that "they know [...] will produce more, not less, danger to their nation". Bin Laden, he believes, is not a lonely maverick, but draws support from much of the Islamic world, which resents the US not for what it is, but for what it does - supporting Israel almost uncritically, propping up corrupt regimes in the Arab world, garrisoning troops on the Saudi peninsula near Islam's most holy sites to safeguard access to cheap oil.

"America ought to do what's in America's interests, and those interests are not served by being dependent on oil in the Middle East and by giving an open hand to the Israelis," Scheuer argues. "If we're less open-handed to Israel over time we can cut down Bin Laden's ability to grow. Right now he has unlimited potential for growing." What makes these comments the more challenging to the Bush administration is that they come from a self-described conservative and instinctive Republican voter.

It seems extraordinary that Scheuer's bosses allowed him to publish his book at all. They had already permitted him one book, Through Our Enemies' Eyes, written anonymously, but that was a more analytical work on Bin Laden and al-Qaida. Imperial Hubris is altogether different: a bitter polemic against orthodoxy and the powers that be.

Scheuer was given the green light only on condition that he stuck to a set of ground rules: he would continue to write as Anonymous, he would not reveal his job or employer, and he would refer only to information that is already "open source" - ie in the public domain. Inevitably, however, given the controversy surrounding the book, his identity has been leaked (first by a liberal weekly, the Boston Phoenix, then this week by the New York Times). Even now, he sticks closely to his employers' guidelines, refusing formally to confirm his identity, while describing his employers vaguely as "the intelligence community". (It is for this reason that he is not permitted by the CIA to be photographed except in silhouette.) Having initially been allowed to give media interviews to promote his book, Scheuer was told earlier this month that he has to ask permission for every interview and to submit an outline of what he is going to say. So far, no interviews have been granted under the new guidelines.

His interview with the Guardian is one of Scheuer's last before being gagged. Burly, bearded and in jeans and a loose shirt, his forceful vocabulary is a far cry from the cautious obfuscation that is the native tongue in Washington. Not that he minds rocking the boat a little. "If getting in somebody's face [helps] prevent the death of 3,000 Americans in New York or the sinking of the Cole in Yemen, or two embassies in East Africa, then I'm in your face," he says.

His bosses at the CIA have not confronted him over the book, other than to tell him what he can or cannot do with the press. "I don't think they get it yet. I still think there's a large group in the American intelligence community who talk about the next big attack but really believe 9/11 was a one-off," he says. "I think they believe their own rhetoric that they've killed two-thirds of the al-Qaida leadership, when they killed two-thirds of what they knew of."

Scheuer says that nearly three years after the September 11 attacks the US intelligence team dedicated to tracking down Bin Laden is still less than 30 strong - the size it was when he left in 1999. The CIA claims that the Bin Laden team is hundreds strong, but Scheuer is insistent that the apparent expansion is skin-deep. "The numbers are big, but it's a shell game. It's people they move in for four or five months at a time and then bring in a new bunch. But the hard core of expertise, of experience, of savvy really hasn't expanded at all since 9/11."

The morass in Iraq, meanwhile, is a "big factor in not allowing us to develop much expertise" on Bin Laden. "I think [director of central intelligence George Tenet] said we had enough people to do two wars at once, and clearly that was a fantasy."

The conclusion of the September 11 Commission - that the al-Qaida plot might have been broken up if the intelligence agencies had cooperated better and shared more information - was accompanied by recommendations for the creation of a national counter-terrorist centre and a national director of intelligence to coordinate the CIA, FBI and other agencies. Scheuer believes this is a classic bureaucratic fix. "I've never known a dysfunctional bureaucracy made better by being made bigger." His answer to the al-Qaida threat, unsurprisingly, is to give his old unit at the CIA, the Bin Laden station, more resources and more firepower.

It is a solution forged by the accumulated bitterness of missed opportunities. In one year under his watch, from May 1998 to May 1999, Scheuer reckons the US had up to a dozen serious chances to kill or capture Bin Laden. Only one was taken - a missile attack on an Afghan training camp in August 1998 - but either the al-Qaida leader was not there, or he had left before the missiles landed.

Months earlier, however, Scheuer believes there was a far better opportunity to grab Bin Laden. The CIA had made a deal with a group of Afghan tribesmen to raid Bin Laden's headquarters near Kandahar and then take him to a desert landing strip, where a US plane would take him either to America or another country for trial. The plan, rehearsed several times over many months, was in Scheuer's view "almost a perfect operation in the sense that there was no US hand visible". But on May 29 1998, according to the narrative in the September 11 Commission's report, Scheuer was informed that the operation had been cancelled because of the risk of civilian casualties.

The pattern was repeated on December 20 the same year, when Scheuer's agents were virtually certain that Bin Laden would be staying the night at a guest house in the Kandahar governor's compound. President Clinton's principal national security advisers once more decided that the danger of collateral damage was too high. Afterwards Scheuer wrote to the top CIA agent in the region, Gary Schroen, saying that he had been unable to sleep after this decision. "I'm sure we'll regret not acting last night," he predicted. Yet another opportunity, in Afghanistan, was missed in 1999.

Other intelligence veterans are more sympathetic to the policymakers' dilemma, pointing out that if the US had shot and missed Bin Laden, while killing others, the country would have been condemned around the world, potentially winning more recruits for al-Qaida. "Mike's is the viewpoint of the soldier versus the viewpoint of a general," argues Vincent Cannistraro, a former chief of operations at the CIA's Counter-Terrorist Centre. "There are political judgments made at a higher pay grade. I've been at both sides of that equation and they are difficult judgments to make."

Scheuer counters that the policymakers are just not asking the right questions. "The question is always what happens if we do this and we fail. The question is never what happens to Americans if we don't try this," he says. "When I took my oath of office, it was to preserve and protect and defend the constitution of the US. It wasn't 'to preserve and protect and defend as long as you don't kill an Arab prince, as long as you don't offend the Europeans, as long as you don't hit a mosque with shrapnel'." Scheuer's constant complaints eventually got him removed from his position at the head of the Bin Laden unit and shifted to a more nebulous training role.

To his detractors in the administration, Scheuer is no more than a rogue spy whose career did not turn out the way he had hoped. Certainly he is bitter at being "sidetracked for the past five years without any sort of explanation from my employers", but he insists that the issues he raises are far more important than his career. He says his recent adoption of a child deepened his anxiety about the future of the next American generation if the country sticks to its present course.

But even if the US scores some significant victories against al-Qaida, Scheuer believes the conflict with Islamic extremism will continue to spiral without a fundamental rethink of US priorities in Iraq and a relationship with Israel that "drains resources, earns Muslim hatred and serves no vital US national interest". It is a depressingly pessimistic assessment. Ultimately, "we only have the choice between war and endless war". [/size]


So, we ordinary folks are well buggered, then.

Iraq, 2014
 
pop_54 said:
Seems that way mate:)
Our hope rest upon the big shoulder of El President de Venezuela: Hugo Chavez. He's the only man with big enough balls (plus oil) to say bollocks to US admin.

Analize:
Is a Bush win good for Clinton in 2008?

A Kerry win (cleaning up Bush's mess) good for democrats in 2008?

Is a female prez of USA good for world (unlike that evil cunt Maggie Thatcher).

Will the South Ossetia/Russia/Georgia conflict do Iraq?

Bangladesh is under water. Do you care?

What's the point of Africa (apart from pain and grief)?

Is McDonald responsible for all of above?
 
Imperial Hubris

I've read this book. It is not the first one the fellow has written. Good damn read. I've recommended it elsewhere on the boards here.

Richard Clarke's book Against All Enemies takes the reader over the anti-terrorist response of the government from Reagan forward. These men know what they're talking about.
 
The best way to fight terror is to stop participating in it.

~ Noam Chomsky
 
ChilledVodka said:
What's the point of Africa (apart from pain and grief)?
That is a remarkable sentence. Concisely tragic.

Perdita
 
ChilledVodka said:
Our hope rest upon the big shoulder of El President de Venezuela: Hugo Chavez. He's the only man with big enough balls (plus oil) to say bollocks to US admin.

Analize:
Is a Bush win good for Clinton in 2008?

A Kerry win (cleaning up Bush's mess) good for democrats in 2008?

Is a female prez of USA good for world (unlike that evil cunt Maggie Thatcher).

Will the South Ossetia/Russia/Georgia conflict do Iraq?

Bangladesh is under water. Do you care?

What's the point of Africa (apart from pain and grief)?

Is McDonald responsible for all of above?


Ah but at least Maggie was genuinely evil... she 'knew' what she was doing and she had a little understanding that there were other places in the world... She didn't carry on reading childrens books and playing with a fluffy bunny for half hour after the Argies invaded the Falklands.

I think Hillary would wise you all up a treat;) As well as providing Bill with some fresh interns.
 
cantdog said:
Africa: Zimbabwe
This is the same tragedy, but less concise.

Horrific isn't it... if this sort of thing were happening in the Middle East the place would be crawling with Western soldiers on peace-keeping duty after a recent war to oust the evil president... But of course there's no real high value oil fields in Zimbabwe.

On the subject of the AIDS epidemic in Africa, ask which church that doesn't permit the use of condoms or any other form of 'contraceptive' is the predominant force over there... Oh and maybe which Western Drug companies refused to lower the price of HIV restricting drugs to the Third World. until the Third World began pirating them recently that is.
 
"Condom spreads AIDS. Now give us the money, you fuckwits." - Pope

"Women don't need clitoris in the kitchen." - Koran

"Pork is kosher." - Jewish radical: Jesus of Najaf

"Africans are not worth murdering." - G W Bush

"Ping-pong is the best sports, ever!" - the Chinese national (people's) motto

"Our country is fuckedupski." - Russian proverb
 
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ChilledVodka said:
"Condom spreads AIDS. Now give us the money, you fuckwits." - Pope

"Women don't need clitoris in the kitchen." - Koran

"Pork is kosher." - Jewish radical: Jesus of Najaf

"Africans are not worth murdering." - G W Bush

"Ping-pong is the best sports, ever!" - the Chinese national (people's) motto

"Our country is fuckedupski." - Russian proverb


I don't know whether to smile because this is clever, or sink into gloom because it makes perfect sense.

CV, you're brilliant when you're coherent.



Originally posted by Pop_54

Horrific isn't it... if this sort of thing were happening in the Middle East the place would be crawling with Western soldiers on peace-keeping duty after a recent war to oust the evil president... But of course there's no real high value oil fields in Zimbabwe.

A generation from now, when the survivors of the African holocaust become the next army of suicide terrorists, the west will be shocked by the depth of their hatred for us. Shocked, and then outraged. We'll go into Africa then with a vengeance. We'll spend a dozen times what it might have cost to do the right thing.

What if the U.S. government went temporarily insane and set aside a portion of its elephantine military budget for a project to end hunger and fight disease in the third world? What if someone decided that an anti-ballistic missile defense system is less urgent - and no less practical - than becoming as noble as we pretend to be?

Nah. It would never work.
 
shereads said:
I don't know whether to smile because this is clever, or sink into gloom because it makes perfect sense.

CV, you're brilliant when you're coherent.





A generation from now, when the survivors of the African holocaust become the next army of suicide terrorists, the west will be shocked by the depth of their hatred for us. Shocked, and then outraged. We'll go into Africa then with a vengeance. We'll spend a dozen times what it might have cost to do the right thing.

What if the U.S. government went temporarily insane and set aside a portion of its elephantine military budget for a project to end hunger and fight disease in the third world? What if someone decided that an anti-ballistic missile defense system is less urgent - and no less practical - than becoming as noble as we pretend to be?

Nah. It would never work.

Of course it would never work, there's no profit in it for Wall St or the City of London stock exchanges... silly girl how can the fat leeches get fatter feeding a load of wogs.
 
shereads said:
What if someone decided that an anti-ballistic missile defense system is less urgent - and no less practical - than becoming as noble as we pretend to be?


Yas, yas. I'm pleased to see that the 500 billion dollar anti-ballistic missile shield is back in the budget.

Is there anyone--anyone--who can make a cogent defense for this white elephant in this day and age? If anyone speaks out against this farcical waste, will they automatically be labeled as being anti-defense?

Didn't we learn anything from 9/11?

---dr.M.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Yas, yas. I'm pleased to see that the 500 billion dollar anti-ballistic missile shield is back in the budget.

Is there anyone--anyone--who can make a cogent defense for this white elephant in this day and age? If anyone speaks out against this farcical waste, will they automatically be labeled as being anti-defense?

Didn't we learn anything from 9/11?

---dr.M.

Quite so zoot... the latest batch of terror suspects on trial over here had plans for an atom bomb in the back of a delivery truck... driven in on the streets not chucked in on a missile.
 
Story

Dammit, CV....that just was not nice of you to do on Liar's story...

Don't make me write a story about you...
 
pop_54 said:
Quite so zoot... the latest batch of terror suspects on trial over here had plans for an atom bomb in the back of a delivery truck... driven in on the streets not chucked in on a missile.


Not to worry, Pop. I'm sure the Pentagon and Raytheon have already consulted on this and are modifying the missile-tracking lasers so that we can also blow up trucks.
 
pop_54 said:
Of course it would never work, there's no profit in it for Wall St or the City of London stock exchanges... silly girl how can the fat leeches get fatter feeding a load of wogs.

The key word is "fat," Pop. McDonalds can't afford to invest in Sudan in a meaningful way until there is sufficent demand for Happy Meals.

Entire untapped consumer markets are being allowed to die horribly before they can spend their first dollar or Euro. What's up with that?
 
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shereads said:
The key word is "fat," Pop. McDonalds can't go afford to invest in Sudan in a meaningful way until there is sufficent demand for Happy Meals.

Entire untapped consumer markets are being allowed to die horribly before they can spend their first dollar or Euro. What's up with that?
Well, I reckon that's something to do with Nesle, Starbucks and the like needing slave labour to pick beans and bananas.

Good news, though. Our governments (US, GB, Germany, Japan, and some other countries Americans can't find on their map) will be investing £3 billion (roughly $6 billion) to find the Higgs boson aka the Higgs particle aka God's particle (this doesn't imply Higgs=God, I'm pretty sure). I hpoe this won't be another nuclear mess.

During 1990s, the US went alone to build the facility in Texas, but the project collapsed after spending $1 billion to dig a hole in the ground (I'm not making this up).
 
ChilledVodka said:
During 1990s, the US went alone to build the facility in Texas, but the project collapsed after spending $1 billion to dig a hole in the ground (I'm not making this up).

No one who lives in the U.S. would accuse you of making it up. Suspension of disbelief is becoming a permanent state of mind over here.

Keep in mind, though, that what may look like a waste of $1 billion is actually the bedrock of American capitalism: the efficient transfer of public money into the coffers of tech-industry contractors. If not for that hole in the ground and a thousand projects just as essential, the grandchildren of half a dozen CEOs might be facing the future without their trust funds. Their moms would be reduced to carpooling. Is that would you want? Of course not.

As long as this partnership between the public and private sectors continues to function smoothly, there is really only one way to "waste" money, and that's to feed people who lack political influence. It's not as if you can feed them once or twice and they stay fed; they just keep wanting more.
 
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ChilledVodka said:
During 1990s, the US went alone to build the facility in Texas, but the project collapsed after spending $1 billion to dig a hole in the ground (I'm not making this up).
Ceeve, I once worked for a man who spent millions of federal dollars digging a hole in the ground (in southern Calif.) Diamond studded drills and machine labor cost a lot. He was a geochemist though, his only interest the makeup of the earth under its crust. P.
 
shereads said:
the bedrock of American capitalism: the efficient transfer of public money into the coffers of contractors. If not for that hole in the ground and a thousand projects just as essential, the grandchildren of half a dozen CEOs might be facing the future without their trust funds.

there is really only one way to "waste" money, and that's to feed people who lack political influence.
Think children, think!
 
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