Cuckold Vs Incest

[wayne1979]

Hi, I've been reading stories on Lit for a couple of years, but only recently have I started reading and adding to the feedback and discussion boards.

I'm really into the Cuckold stories and posted a post about cuckoldry on the main discussion board and got a very mixed response.

What I struggle to understand is the amount of negative feedback based purely on the content of Cuckold stories in comparison to the incest stories which seem on the whole acceptable.

I'm from the Uk where incest is very much illegal but I'm sure in most countries it is.

In my mind Cuckoldry is acceptable as long as all parties consent whereas (IMO) incest is just plain wrong.

I have written a couple of Cuck stories myself but they are from the finished article but would have posted them when they were, now I'm not so sure.

Does anyone have opinions on this or maybe could explain why Incest seems more fundamentally acceptable than cuckoldry.

Thanks

 

[sr71plt]

No problem with cuckoldy here--especially in relationship to incest. It's all fantasy; seems like those who would take that category personally have taken themselves too seriously in the same situation. Go for it.

 

[Lalah]

Well the way I see it, the people pissed off at cuckoldry are mad because someone cheated on them in the past, or maybe they're just scared it would happen, possibly because they're the kind of person who would do it and so are insecure.

While incest for most people is theorical, a nice taboo you secretly think about breaking. You can be scared your significant other will cheat on you, but can you be scared you will somehow have sex with a familly member? I don't think so, as it's something in your control.

 

[LadyIlsa]

I say go for it...You can always turn off comments and votes, but personally, I'd leave them on. Just don't take them personally.

Incest stories have no appeal for me, so I just don't read them. Cuckold stories are not necessarily about 'cheating' - some men actually enjoy the almost 'submissive/humiliation' part of the fantasy. Again, if it's not someones' cup of tea, they shouldn't read it.

 

[MsWenchiness]

I see far more appeal in cheating or being cheated on then sex with a family member... that is one I will never understand.

Having said that... post your stories... considering what else is on Lit what you write will be far from offensive by comparison

 

[wayne1979]

Thanks everybody, my stories will need a bit more editing first but very soon I'll post my first story and see how things go from there.

Here are a few comments from people for a story I read last night. While I appreciate the story wasn't brilliantly written, I know think any of these comments were neccesary.



"Oh yeah, go to a party you dont know many.
02/09/08 by Anonymous
Then strip down and get fucked and suck bareback. Then your husband takes you back home. Now if you have an IQ of 50 and already have AIDS this isnt a bad deal. Husband pimps wife out for free! Get a grip, get mature, and get a little experience in real life. Such actions now would be a suicide wish due to AIDS and such."

As far as I was aware alot of these stories are fantasies I'm sure if you looked into most of the writings on here you could find fact faults, and issues with STDs, Illegalities etc.

simplistically written & UK cuck again????
02/09/08 by Anonymous in USA
When you crudely degrade and cuck your life partner with him excitedly watching and urging you on, no one can respect the characters, the story or you.
There is plenty of jackoff material here wherein no one gets hurt or disrespected or scorned.
Read some.

If its not your thing then don't read it, different things appeal to different people!

W.T.F.
02/09/08 by Anonymous in U.S.A.
Yikes, drunk slut,never read that before. thanks

This one I find particularily annoying, surely most of the stories on here are just variations on particular themes.

Does anyone writing these comments have an opinion on this, would love to hear from you as well!!!

 

[KarennaC]

Comments like those seem fairly common on cuckold stories. I wrote a Loving Wives story myself, and got even worse comments, including some pretty heavy slams on my writing ability. I also got a couple pieces of feedback saying that it's a good story, I'm a good writer, and just ignore the jackasses. The negative comments actually amused me; thanks to this board, I was prepared for them. I have the feeling that some of the negative comments were made without the person even reading the story; there are some trolls out there who just automatically slam any story in the Loving Wives category just because it's in that category. Like Lalah said, the people who slam these stories have either had someone cheat on them or are afraid it would happen.

As for incest, for most people it's pure fantasy. In real life, the thought of sex with any of my family members disgusts me, but in stories, it can be somewhat exciting, though I can't tolerate the parent-child stories and usually stick with ones where the characters aren't blood-related (stepsiblings or stepparent-stepchild) or aren't as closely related (cousins, uncle-niece, or aunt-nephew). The one story I've written so far in this category, which I only did because of the Survivor contest, was stepsiblings. It isn't so much that incest is more acceptable than cuckoldry on Literotica; it's that there apparently aren't as many people who despise incest as there are bitter men who despise the thought of being cheated on.

 

[wayne1979]

I say go for it...You can always turn off comments and votes, but personally, I'd leave them on. Just don't take them personally.

Incest stories have no appeal for me, so I just don't read them. Cuckold stories are not necessarily about 'cheating' - some men actually enjoy the almost 'submissive/humiliation' part of the fantasy. Again, if it's not someones' cup of tea, they shouldn't read it.

Lady Isla, you are absolutely right, nearly all my stories I have started do not actually focus on the cheating but more the humiliation of the husband at the expense of his wife and other men. That, and I know this is open to debate due to other peoples interpretatons is what cuckolding is all about.

In fact I would say that cheating is only adultery, its only when the other person finds out as has to make decisions on it continuing etc is when it becomes cuckolding!

 

[wayne1979]

Thanks for your comment KarennaC

Personally incest doesn't do it for me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to slate the author for it or think any less of you. i just don't read it.

I'm sure the criticism should be based on the authors creative writing ability rather than the theme.

Considering authors and readers alike all use literotica to write and read about fantasies and many taboo themes I still struggle to see how or why cuckolding gets such bad reviews.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Considering authors and readers alike all use literotica to write and read about fantasies and many taboo themes I still struggle to see how or why cuckolding gets such bad reviews.

I think Lalah hit the nail on the head. It seems like there are a lot of angry people reading Loving Wives, more there than I think all of the other categories combined.

I personally don't read anything in that category, and have no plans ever to submit anything to it. I think there are some writers who enjoy writing material that enflame the passions of the unwashed masses of that particular category.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Look, Wayne. Most of the guys who read in that catagory are guys who caught their wives screwing the postman/milkman/garbageman/guy next door/cab driver/etc. They take their own open wounds out on the authors. Those bastards are unable to distinguish betweet fiction and reality. Fuck um!

 

[sr71plt]

Gotta laugh. I was preparing a story for submission to Lit. today, and as I read through it, I discovered it was a cuckold story--didn't even focus on that while I was writing it. We'll see what the comments/voting, if any, are on that after it's posted. My brief toe-dipping in both Incest and Loving Wives worked just fine. I don't think I've written a clear cuckold story before--at least from the perspective of the one being cuckolded.

 

[Lalah]

The way I see it, if both parties are concenting it's not cuckoldry, it's swapping/orgy.

 

[mellowgyrl]

So....if you write a story about a wife who cheats on her husband you're going to get slammed regardless of how well written the story is just because people in LW don't agree w/cheating? That just boggles the mind. I don't agree w/binding your child & husband to a tree and fucking them w/a unicorn but I'm willing to bet somebody has written something close to it on here.

I guess this just bugs me because I have a story that would fit best in LW but I don't want to post it there and get slammed. At the same time I feel like I'm cheating myself (no pun intended) out of an opportunity. That sucks big booty!

 

[sr71plt]

I don't agree w/binding your child & husband to a tree and fucking them w/a unicorn but I'm willing to bet somebody has written something close to it on here.

I imagine the unicorn would have to be dead and stuffed to get by the story submission rules. Otherwise it would be bestiality (although I guess the writer could try the "fantasy animal" argument ploy). A dead/stuffed unicorn might pass as a toy.

 

[sr71plt]

In my mind Cuckoldry is acceptable as long as all parties consent whereas (IMO).

Back to this, and I think someone else up the line made this point too, but it didn't seem to take hold. Cuckoldry (and only a married male can be a cuckold, by definition) can't really be "consent"--at least to the point where it is called cuckholdry, can it? If the husband knows about it and accepts it from the outset it's just swinging and wife swap. It has to at least begin with the element of the husband not knowing it (or at least not doing anything about by some sort of restraint on his actions)--and therefore not consenting to it.

 

[wayne1979]

The way I see it, if both parties are concenting it's not cuckoldry, it's swapping/orgy.

Back to this, and I think someone else up the line made this point too, but it didn't seem to take hold. Cuckoldry (and only a married male can be a cuckold, by definition) can't really be "consent"--at least to the point where it is called cuckholdry, can it? If the husband knows about it and accepts it from the outset it's just swinging and wife swap. It has to at least begin with the element of the husband not knowing it (or at least not doing anything about by some sort of restraint on his actions)--and therefore not consenting to it.

I think technically you're both probably right.
Although if a husband doesn't know about it then surely its just adultery.

But in a cuckolding fantasy/relationship, surely the husband (I have heard of wives being cuckolds, but I don't see how it really works) must know and consent a bit otherwise he would surely get out of the relationship as soon as he did find out.

For me, and I know this is very much up for debate depending on how individuals perceive "Cuckoldry", its about the husband relinquishing any control in the relationship and the humiliation and degredation he must suffer at the hands of his wife and lover/lovers!

The Cuckold would not want to swing or swap his wife for another, but his wife would want to be taking other lovers because he was too inadequate to satisfy her (that kind of thing)

 

[wayne1979]

So....if you write a story about a wife who cheats on her husband you're going to get slammed regardless of how well written the story is just because people in LW don't agree w/cheating? That just boggles the mind. I don't agree w/binding your child & husband to a tree and fucking them w/a unicorn but I'm willing to bet somebody has written something close to it on here.

Exactly my point. Not too sure about the unicorn tho lol.

 

[sr71plt]

I think technically you're both probably right.
Although if a husband doesn't know about it then surely its just adultery.

But in a cuckolding fantasy/relationship, surely the husband (I have heard of wives being cuckolds, but I don't see how it really works) must know and consent a bit otherwise he would surely get out of the relationship as soon as he did find out.

Well, technically speaking, the term is in the dictionary with a pretty specific definition. It can be cuckold and adultery together. They aren't mutual exclusive terms.

And, no, by definition, a woman can't be a cuckold. It's a male condition only. (Although I could see a a lesbian story, with the butch partner being symbolically cuckolded.)

 

[NDorado]

It's all a matter of taste. Personally, I like stories of consensual incest. I don't like stories about cheating or, for example, non-consent stories, but those categories have fans too. It's all fiction, so whatever rocks people's boats. Why one category would get more criticism than another is beyond me.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Hi Wayne

sr is right, a cuckold is any husband whose wife is sexually 'unfaithful', with his knowledge/permission or not. Comes from 'cuckoo' - laying eggs in another bird's nest.

So, there are loads of cuckold stories in Group Sex, Non consent, Interracial - even Incest (Mom getting it on with son makes Dad a cuckold). In LWives, almost all the stories written by men are 'cuckold' stories - it's just that the writers that want to bring back stoning wives to death for adultery can't allow themselves to permit a male fantasy where the norms of MF conquest and submission are turned upside down.

My great gripe about stories on both sides of the divide is that the erotic tension is missing because the wife's character never gets explored. She could be a blow-up doll, and really, hearing how "I" is going to throw her into the street after he's half beaten her to death or, how "I" sit there masturbating as 2D man pneumatically humps 2D wife while "I" watch, is uninteresting unless the dynamic between the spouses is explored - what is she thinking.

My 2cents, for what it's worth, is to put aside the word 'cuckold' it's meaningless. Women see the act of sex very differently from men - heck, it's not surprising when you think about Tabs andSlots - so a good story about a wife taking a lover with her husband's excited approval needs to show how the two of them come to want it. No blow-up dolls.

You've probably read it already but the best I've read is http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=50943 - it is top of the pile. To see where it starts to go off the boil, read his Part 2.

Don't allow public comments, don't worry about the voting and stick a thread here for feedback and we'll tell you if we think 'boy done good'.

Elle

 

[MisterReason]

Something you might want to consider would be using another name to write stories that deal with topics that are lightning rods for hostile reaction. Cuckold/incest/cheating wives stories attract readers that are fanatical in both directions, and if you write something that gets one of those readers pissed off, they'll come after your entire catalog with a vengeance.

Many writers here have learned that the hard way, so when I was coaxed to write incest by a couple of my 'fans' (a subject that I have no experience or interest in), I gave myself an incest name. If you plan on writing in other categories besides cuckolding, you might want to separate that. Some of these anon folks are brutal, especially toward cheating wives and husbands that encourage or permit it. Good luck.

 

[ksheila]

how about cuckolded incest ?

 

[elfin_odalisque]

how about cuckolded incest ?

There's lots of that on Lit.

 

[stephwriter]

Some really good points in all of the posts above. The so-and-sos who slam everything anonymously are worse than cowards but, I suppose, if that's what floats their boat so be it. After all, we are all on here for a bit of pleasure, whether reading, writing or posting.

If you enjoy writing your stories and are proud of them just go ahead and post.