could you ever seriously consider murdering someone?

[silverwhisper]

are there any circumstances that could provoke you to seriously consider murdering another person? i'm not asking whether you'd go through with it: just whether you'd give the matter actual consideration.

btw, the context intended here: murder, as in malice aforethought, premeditation, etc.

ed

p.s.: as always, my answers later, yadda yadda yadda...

 

[cndallas]

murder no. wounding yes.

 

[bobsgirl]

are there any circumstances that could provoke you to seriously consider murdering another person? i'm not asking whether you'd go through with it: just whether you'd give the matter actual consideration.

ed

Not murder precisely. But there have been times when I wouldn't have objected to a well-timed accident.

What a curious question. Are you pissed off at somebody?

 

[silverwhisper]

bobsgirl: actually, i'm in relatively good spirits. it's just a monday kinda question. :>

ed

 

[Guest]

 

[pleasteasme]

There is one distinct time I recall .... and given the opportunity, this scares me to admit but, yes.

It wouldn't have been pre-meditated but, spur of the moment. Entirely led by emotions....vehemence....hatred towards a particular person that I am related to.

 

[M's girl]

Not murder precisely. But there have been times when I wouldn't have objected to a well-timed accident.

Same here...!

 

[cndallas]

....hatred towards a particular person that I am related to.

well if we're going to include relatives.... lol.

 

[pleasteasme]

well if we're going to include relatives.... lol.

That is the only person that I have ever thought I was capable of murdering...

 

[EJFan]

i don't think i could murder someone... not by the legal definition of "murder" at least.

besides, there's so much more satisfaction and lingering pain in the realm of torture and abuse. there ARE people i would consider torturing.

i think it was machiavelli who theorized that there's no such thing as right and wrong... only action and consequence. i'm paraphrasing but that's essentially the point. i think that philosophy has some merit.

 

[bisexplicit]

The only scenario that I can come up with would be a self dense sort of thing. I can't see myself getting angry enough in the heat of the moment to kill someone - or being cold and calculating enough to plan it.

 

[krazeekat]

No but I would take perverse pleasure in breaking everybone in their body.

 

[Ezzy]

Definitely, though to my eyes they would go down as justifiable homicide: -

1) Self defence.

2) Defence of family & friends.

3) Defence of my country from domestic or foriegn aggression.

4) Defence of the world from alien aggression.















Oh, and I almost forgot to add.

5) I should have the right to kill the other mororists who insist on passing me when I am driving at the speed limit (on cruise control), only to slow to five miles slower than the limit, once they have passed, just to force me to pass them so they can do it all over again.

 

[silverwhisper]

ezzy, re: #5, hear hear!

ed

 

[bobsgirl]

besides, there's so much more satisfaction and lingering pain in the realm of torture and abuse. there ARE people i would consider torturing.

So, are you available for hire?

 

[Eilan]

If someone hurt my children I'd kill 'em or die trying--and they'd suffer. Fuck that "two wrongs don't make a right" shit.

 

[bobsgirl]

If someone hurt my children I'd kill 'em or die trying--and they'd suffer. Fuck that "two wrongs don't make a right" shit.

You know what? I've changed my mind. I could definitely kill someone who was going after my children.

 

[EJFan]

The only scenario that I can come up with would be a self dense sort of thing. I can't see myself getting angry enough in the heat of the moment to kill someone - or being cold and calculating enough to plan it.

freudian slip, bi?

whatcha tryin' to tell us?

 

[EJFan]

If someone hurt my children I'd kill 'em or die trying--and they'd suffer. Fuck that "two wrongs don't make a right" shit.

whether two wrongs make a right or not is immaterial i think. i don't have kids but i think anyone in that situation would feel the same way... and i think they'd suffer a minimal penalty for acting on their instincts.

btw... two wrongs don't make a right, but two lefts DO.

 

[Guest]

 

[Quoll]

To coldly plan and then carry out a murder... nope, but as others have said, there are some people who don't deserve to get off so easy.

 

[SweetErika]

If someone hurt my children I'd kill 'em or die trying--and they'd suffer. Fuck that "two wrongs don't make a right" shit.

That's one of the situations I was thinking of when I voted. The others might be seriously harming or killing anyone I loved, including myself (I can see it after a rape, history of abuse, etc.). Apart from that, it'd be self- or family-defense and on the spur of the moment.

 

[Eilan]

whether two wrongs make a right or not is immaterial i think. i don't have kids but i think anyone in that situation would feel the same way... and i think they'd suffer a minimal penalty for acting on their instincts.

btw... two wrongs don't make a right, but two lefts DO.

I got into this little "debate" with my book groupies a couple of years ago. It was when one of those child kidnap-rape-killings made national headlines (Samantha Runnion, I think), and it really hit home with me because my oldest child was almost exactly the same age as this child. My fellow book group members think I'm a horrible person because I said that I'd kill someone who hurt one of my kids this way, and the "two wrongs don't make a right" argument was used.

When it comes to my kiddies, I'm ferocious.

 

[EJFan]

I got into this little "debate" with my book groupies a couple of years ago. It was when one of those child kidnap-rape-killings made national headlines (Samantha Runnion, I think), and it really hit home with me because my oldest child was almost exactly the same age as this child. My fellow book group members think I'm a horrible person because I said that I'd kill someone who hurt one of my kids this way, the "two wrongs don't make a right" argument was used.

When it comes to my kiddies, I'm ferocious.

interesting thing about child molesters/rapists/kidnappers... i think they tend to get the most abuse (call it "love" if you'd like) in prison, don't they? i'm not sure but i think i heard this stat somewhere along the way.

btw... i find that people who use cliches to argue their side aren't very effective in supporting their point.

 

[silverwhisper]

eilan: maybe they're twits?

ed