Cost to taxpayers of missing fathers

[eyer]

- In 1993, Charles Murray identified "illegitimacy as the single most important social problem of our time ... because it drives everything else."

- 20 million American children are growing up without their fathers in the home

- Last year, the U.S. illegitimacy rate had grown to 41 percent, and among whites it was 29 percent

- 1.7 million out-of-wedlock babies born last year

- 70 percent of unmarried women voted for Barack Obama for president

- Means-tested welfare handouts cost federal taxpayers $700 billion last year (not counting programs into which people pay, such as Social Security and Medicare). Spending by the states raises the annual total to nearly $900 billion – more than we are spending on national defense

- The 77 means-tested programs include Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF, food stamps, housing subsidies, Medicaid, daycare, WIC, EITC (which can be as much as $5,657 a year to low-income families), school lunches, school breakfasts, summer food, SSI, Head Start and S-CHIP. The Heritage Foundation estimates that these benefits amount to $16,800 per person in poverty

- The poverty rate for single parents with children is 37 percent, but only 6 percent for married couples with children.

- In 2009, 47 percent [of Americans] paid no federal income taxes, and the bottom 40 percent receive cash or benefits financed by the 53 percent who do pay income taxes.

"Federal and state laws and subsidies that undermine marriage are the biggest fiscal as well as cultural issue of our times."

Entire article @

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=310961

 

[sereneone4u]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

 

[mercury14]

WND citing the Heritage Foundation boggles my mind.

And really, you're going to blame "federal and state laws and subsidies" for the culture of fatherless-ness in America? Seriously, THAT'S your reason why?

 

[eyer]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

That's basically what Phyllis Schlafly, the lady who wrote the article, is implying...

...that and her views on how government has encouraged it.

I wanted to post the entire article, but I just stuck with the numbers; the gist of it can be found @ the link...

 

[sereneone4u]

OK, the article was just disgusting.

Most custodial parents (female OR male) do not get generous child support payments .

And while "some" women, let me reiterate, VERY FEW, use orders of protection to get custody, etc. these orders are a necessity for many women. (Not that they are worth the paper they are written on in many cases)

While I believe society has disrespected fatherhood to our detriment, I totally disagree with the article.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

Not just fathers... men in general.

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

In the "story problems" presented in elementary school arithmetic materials, the same formulas apply, but the races of the kids is more vague. In nearly every case, however, it is the girl who has the correct answer.

This concerted effort was part of a plan to overcome stereotypes that depicted people of color as being somehow intellectually inferior to Whites, Jews of all descriptions, and Asians. Women were often encouraged to "dumb down" in high school so as not to end up an old maid. These stereotypes were promoted by both government and industry after WWII so as to put Rosie the Riveter back where she belongs: on her kneed scrubbing the kitchen floor.

As with most social engineering, the unforeseen consequences of the "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" movement of the 1960s-1970s resulted in exacerbating the problem created by the uneven intellectual capacities of boys and girls (girls tend to get an intellectual head start and boys tend not to catch up until late in high school or in college).

So, the consistent message to boys is that they are lovable hunks of sexy male flesh but not all that bright. They are expected to cheat on their partner and feel ashamed of their natural urges. If they enjoy intellectual things, they are classified as “geeks.”

Thus, you reap what you sow, and America has sown a vast wasteland of low self-esteem men in the U.S., now crossing all ages and all ethnic/racial/social strata.

“You’ve Come The Wrong Way, Baby!”

 

[sereneone4u]

Not just fathers... men in general.

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

In the "story problems" presented in elementary school arithmetic materials, the same formulas apply, but the races of the kids is more vague. In nearly every case, however, it is the girl who has the correct answer.

This concerted effort was part of a plan to overcome stereotypes that depicted people of color as being somehow intellectually inferior to Whites, Jews of all descriptions, and Asians. Women were often encouraged to "dumb down" in high school so as not to end up an old maid. These stereotypes were promoted by both government and industry after WWII so as to put Rosie the Riveter back where she belongs: on her kneed scrubbing the kitchen floor.

As with most social engineering, the unforeseen consequences of the "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" movement of the 1960s-1970s resulted in exacerbating the problem created by the uneven intellectual capacities of boys and girls (girls tend to get an intellectual head start and boys tend not to catch up until late in high school or in college).

So, the consistent message to boys is that they are lovable hunks of sexy male flesh but not all that bright. They are expected to cheat on their partner and feel ashamed of their natural urges. If they enjoy intellectual things, they are classified as “geeks.”

Thus, you reap what you sow, and America has sown a vast wasteland of low self-esteem men in the U.S., now crossing all ages and all ethnic/racial/social strata.

“You’ve Come The Wrong Way, Baby!”

You said it way better than I ever could. Thank you, Karen

 

[Karen Kraft]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

Not just fathers... men in general.

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

In the "story problems" presented in elementary school arithmetic materials, the same formulas apply, but the races of the kids is more vague. In nearly every case, however, it is the girl who has the correct answer.

This concerted effort was part of a plan to overcome stereotypes that depicted people of color as being somehow intellectually inferior to Whites, Jews of all descriptions, and Asians. Women were often encouraged to "dumb down" in high school so as not to end up an old maid. These stereotypes were promoted by both government and industry after WWII so as to put Rosie the Riveter back where she belongs: on her knees scrubbing the kitchen floor.

As with most social engineering, the unforeseen consequences of the "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" movement of the 1960s-1970s resulted in exacerbating the problem created by the uneven intellectual capacities of boys and girls (girls tend to get an intellectual head start and boys tend not to catch up until late in high school or in college).

So, the consistent message to boys is that they are lovable hunks of sexy male flesh but not all that bright. They are expected to cheat on their partner and feel ashamed of their natural urges. If they enjoy intellectual things, they are classified as “geeks.”

Thus, you reap what you sow, and America has sown a vast wasteland of low self-esteem men in the U.S., now crossing all ages and all ethnic/racial/social strata.

“You’ve Come The Wrong Way, Baby!”

 

[sereneone4u]

I don't understand why we feel the need to go to such extremes. Everything in moderation, including moderation...I think that was Plato?

 

[Karen Kraft]

I don't understand why we feel the need to go to such extremes. Everything in moderation, including moderation...I think that was Plato?

I just explained why. It's all part of the grand redistribution of everything.

Equality equals equity in all things.

The urge to make society perfect means raising the less fortunate up. But that's too expensive, so you kind of drag down the perceived benefited group to make the playing field look statistically better.

Every time you vote for a Democrat, that is the program you are supporting. They use terms like "fairness" and "justice" but those are, more often than not, code words for redistribution of everything. The goal? Brave New World.

 

[John Doe]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

You can thank Dr. Spock for that mentality.

 

[rosco rathbone]

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

Right on...I hate that shit.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have a whole nuther perspective.

My philosophy is Socio-biology. That is, all organisms strive to exploit environmental niches, and the environment shapes them to fit the niche. If the niche collapses the group goes extinct.

This said, females tend to be opportunists while males tend to be specialists. Females exploit diversity better than males do, but males exploit fortune better than females. The first farmer was likely a female, the first prospector was likely a male. Females are nest builders NOT pyramid builders.

I suspect that human societies 'want' to be organized like lion prides, where the females dominate and do all the grunt work, while the males relax in the shade and handle the defence of the pride. Our problem, though, is the maturation period of offspring. It takes almost a full generation to raise human cubs to maturity, and human societies evolved to include more males as active members.

 

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[Ishmael]

Ten years ago I posted a thread on the subject. How children of single parent households were more likely to be;

Failures in school
Pregnant during the teen years.
Involved with drugs
In prison

In other words, failures all the way around.

As could be expected I was assailed by women in general, especially by those who were single parents, and the products of those single parent households. All of them citing anecdotal evidence that both I, and the statistics I cited were full of shit. Some few actually did some research and found that the statistics were unassailable and those few posited that "things would get better." Ten years later and the stats are even worse.

The purposeful dissolution of the family on the part of government and social agitators has led to the general coarsening and dumbing down of society in general. But the process does yield a potent voting bloc for handouts.

Ishmael

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

LIKE!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not just fathers... men in general.

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

In the "story problems" presented in elementary school arithmetic materials, the same formulas apply, but the races of the kids is more vague. In nearly every case, however, it is the girl who has the correct answer.

This concerted effort was part of a plan to overcome stereotypes that depicted people of color as being somehow intellectually inferior to Whites, Jews of all descriptions, and Asians. Women were often encouraged to "dumb down" in high school so as not to end up an old maid. These stereotypes were promoted by both government and industry after WWII so as to put Rosie the Riveter back where she belongs: on her knees scrubbing the kitchen floor.

As with most social engineering, the unforeseen consequences of the "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" movement of the 1960s-1970s resulted in exacerbating the problem created by the uneven intellectual capacities of boys and girls (girls tend to get an intellectual head start and boys tend not to catch up until late in high school or in college).

So, the consistent message to boys is that they are lovable hunks of sexy male flesh but not all that bright. They are expected to cheat on their partner and feel ashamed of their natural urges. If they enjoy intellectual things, they are classified as “geeks.”

Thus, you reap what you sow, and America has sown a vast wasteland of low self-esteem men in the U.S., now crossing all ages and all ethnic/racial/social strata.

“You’ve Come The Wrong Way, Baby!”

You're off your rocker.

You won't find any evidence to support your claim about public schools. You may find some examples of that in the media, but you'll also find just as many examples of positive male role models.

You read something that someone wrote and decided you would believe it without any verification.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Ten years ago I posted a thread on the subject. How children of single parent households were more likely to be;

Failures in school
Pregnant during the teen years.
Involved with drugs
In prison

In other words, failures all the way around.

As could be expected I was assailed by women in general, especially by those who were single parents, and the products of those single parent households. All of them citing anecdotal evidence that both I, and the statistics I cited were full of shit. Some few actually did some research and found that the statistics were unassailable and those few posited that "things would get better." Ten years later and the stats are even worse.

The purposeful dissolution of the family on the part of government and social agitators has led to the general coarsening and dumbing down of society in general. But the process does yield a potent voting bloc for handouts.

Ishmael

The process also is caused by not teaching sex ed in school. Once again you've been played by a political party.

 

[miles]

Children living with single mothers are five times more likely to be poor than children in two-parent households. Children in single-parent homes are also more likely to drop out of school and become teen parents, even when income is factored out. And the evidence suggests that on average, children who live with their biological mother and father do better than those who live in stepfamilies or with cohabiting partners.... In light of these facts, policies that strengthen marriage for those who choose it and that discourage unintended births outside of marriage are sensible goals to pursue.

 

[miles]

There is an elephant in the room.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, American society says that fathers are not important, so we are reaping the consequences of that mentality.

Damn straight. And honestly it goes deeper than this. In many states the welfare policy followed the "conservative" dream of able bodied men ought work. So if they were able bodied they got the fuck out of the household simply so their wife/baby momma and child could get welfare. Which lead them to crime and left the children without male role models. If I wasn't certain this was an accident I'd swear it was malicious.

Not just fathers... men in general.

From an early age, the schools teach us that everything stupid, self-indulgent and disloyal is male. The opposite is presented for us. It's a classic stereotype promoted by TV shows geared toward younger audiences and promoted in our public school text books. Being a WHITE male makes you totally worthless:

In Saturday morning TV programming, including animated presentations and serials, white boys are depicted as either evil or totally uncomprehending. Sometimes, even the dog is smarter than the white boy. All story boarded scenes require a tension to be resolved. In the situations I'm discussing here, it is always resolved by the white girl, black girl or boy, Asian boy or girl, or middle eastern child, most often male, who resolve the issue presented. The job of the white boy is to be confused and to ask questions.

In the "story problems" presented in elementary school arithmetic materials, the same formulas apply, but the races of the kids is more vague. In nearly every case, however, it is the girl who has the correct answer.

This concerted effort was part of a plan to overcome stereotypes that depicted people of color as being somehow intellectually inferior to Whites, Jews of all descriptions, and Asians. Women were often encouraged to "dumb down" in high school so as not to end up an old maid. These stereotypes were promoted by both government and industry after WWII so as to put Rosie the Riveter back where she belongs: on her kneed scrubbing the kitchen floor.

As with most social engineering, the unforeseen consequences of the "You've Come A Long Way, Baby" movement of the 1960s-1970s resulted in exacerbating the problem created by the uneven intellectual capacities of boys and girls (girls tend to get an intellectual head start and boys tend not to catch up until late in high school or in college).

So, the consistent message to boys is that they are lovable hunks of sexy male flesh but not all that bright. They are expected to cheat on their partner and feel ashamed of their natural urges. If they enjoy intellectual things, they are classified as “geeks.”

Thus, you reap what you sow, and America has sown a vast wasteland of low self-esteem men in the U.S., now crossing all ages and all ethnic/racial/social strata.

“You’ve Come The Wrong Way, Baby!”

You said it way better than I ever could. Thank you, Karen

Damn. Thought better of you than that. Oh well.

You're off your rocker.

You won't find any evidence to support your claim about public schools. You may find some examples of that in the media, but you'll also find just as many examples of positive male role models.

You read something that someone wrote and decided you would believe it without any verification.

Exactly. Sure there are cases of it but the reality is that America still has a white majority by a decent margin. The white guy being confused (when it happens) is just about the regular people being confused and an outside perspective being valid and valuable. You wanna take a stroll through movie land and start tallying up black, Mexican and Asian heros of any sort? Show me the CSI with more minorities. The black Batman (he exists btw and has a name you could GUESS). The Mexican Jack Bauer. Kids shows since that's your plan. Who's black on Ben 10? Pokemon (ooh there is one who might be but if you can't name him STFU), so on and so forth. This shit doesn't happen.

Children living with single mothers are five times more likely to be poor than children in two-parent households. Children in single-parent homes are also more likely to drop out of school and become teen parents, even when income is factored out. And the evidence suggests that on average, children who live with their biological mother and father do better than those who live in stepfamilies or with cohabiting partners.... In light of these facts, policies that strengthen marriage for those who choose it and that discourage unintended births outside of marriage are sensible goals to pursue.

There are no polices that strengthen marriage that anybody on the right is supporting. You guys are working to outlaw divorce, your working to keep gay marriage illegal. So you're at best worsening the existing problem. But thanks for playing!

 

[miles]

There are no polices that strengthen marriage that anybody on the right is supporting. You guys are working to outlaw divorce, your working to keep gay marriage illegal. So you're at best worsening the existing problem. But thanks for playing!

Exactly what types of "policies" would strengthen marriage?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Gay Marriage. The only way to improve quality would be a lot of programs encouraging it but we can improve quantity simply by removing barriers. Or as you conservatives call it DEREGULATION.

 

[miles]

Gay Marriage. The only way to improve quality would be a lot of programs encouraging it but we can improve quantity simply by removing barriers. Or as you conservatives call it DEREGULATION.

You're out of your mind.

 

[koalabear]

Gay Marriage. The only way to improve quality would be a lot of programs encouraging it but we can improve quantity simply by removing barriers. Or as you conservatives call it DEREGULATION.

I've notice the surge in gay couples having kids then abandoning them.