Control in the relationship vs. control in the bedroom

Cirrus

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend last night, and I thought I would share it, and the question it brought to mind, with all of you and see what you thought.

Some of you might know my Dom and I broke up the day before Xmas eve. The basic idea was, we had reached that point in a relationship where "something" had changed, though neither of you can put your finger on what. You lose that spark, that tension, that "oh goody I get to see them today" feeling. And when that happens, in my experience, the end of the relationship isn't far off.

He says it was my jealousy that broke us up. Yes, I admit that I was jealous, though in hindsight I don't think it was as unfounded as he thought at the time. When he and I first got together, we were each other's first priority, then we got into that comfortable stage where we were STILL the first priority, but if something came up no one was terribly disappointed because we knew we'd see each other soon. Somehow, some way, that changed into him not wanting to do anything anymore, and labeling me "clingy" and "possessive" because I wanted to.

He had more and more things come up, most of which, to his credit, were legit, but he involved me in them less and less. He told me about them less and less. He started spending more time with his friends, one friend in particular, and less with me. I was not happy with the situation, and had considered for a few weeks breaking things off. It was just getting too draining to wonder where the hell he was NOW, or what came up THIS TIME that he didn't call and at lesat have the decency to inform me about. I started to feel more like his mother than his girlfriend. Still, and I know this will sound crass, I didn't end it because our sex life was still a-fucking-mazing. It's hard to find that when you're single, so you keep it around as long as you can.

Anyway, on Dec 23, I had the last straw. We hadn't done anything together in over a week. He had family up, and said he couldn't get away. We were supposed to get together, but long story short I later found him with a female friend (non-sexually...she was and still is just his friend), and blew. He had no time for us, but time to spend with her. He HAD to be with his family, yet he could spend all afternoon with her with not a second glance. That was it. I told him it was over. A few days later, I regretted my decision, and we talked. He said, no, he didn't want to try again, that he didn't want to be in a relationship or committed at all, to anyone right now. We're working on rebuilding a frienship right now, and the real joke is, we get along GREAT now that we don't have the pressure of sustaining an intimate relationship.

The real kicker is, it HURT. And I had no idea why. After all, I hadn't been happy in the relationship either. Talking to my friend last night, he said I was a control freak, and that the breakup hurt so bad because I wasn't in control of it. In the end, I was the reject-ee, instead of the reject-er, and that's why it hurt so bad. And you know what? He's right. That is EXACTLY why it hurt. To do the dumping says "you are not good enough for me". To BE dumped says "I am not good enough." That's why I stayed around in the first place, even though I wasn't happy with the way things were going. Because as long as HE didn't end it, I was still "good enough". Yeesh. Do I have issues or what? :)

But yet I am a submissive, sexually speaking (who recently discovered VERY slight switch tendencies). But I am WAY more on the submissive end of the scale of things.

For how many of us is that true? How many subs are control freaks in their daily lives, even in their relationships, but submit sexually? Why? Are their any Dom/mes that lean toward being submissive in their day to day relations, or even with their partners, but dominate in bed?
 
i, for one, have had to learn to be more aggressive and dominant in everyday life, though i am very much a submissive by nature. It's confusing and hard and something i wish i didn't have to go through.

A lot of my personal situation has to do with having young children in the house. We have a 3 year old, a 2 year old, and i'm expecting again. With my Husband working nights i have to keep a tight control over the two we already have to keep them from waking Him up. Not an easy task by any means and one that's made harder by personal upbringing. The control issue has also spilled over into His and my relationship. It's simply impossible to get Him to do the things around here that i am physically unable to do at the moment without taking firm control of the situation. Fortunately, He knows that. i'd be in serious trouble if He didn't. ;)

Hopefully the situation will be going back to more 'normal' when the kids go off to school. Then again, by that time He and i might be more comfortable in the way things are now, and might want to continue them that way. Who knows?
 
Cirrus said:

For how many of us is that true? How many subs are control freaks in their daily lives, even in their relationships, but submit sexually? Why? Are their any Dom/mes that lean toward being submissive in their day to day relations, or even with their partners, but dominate in bed?

What appears to be Ex SO was/is !!!!!

Control comes from fear and closed mindness
 
I've heard it postulated that submission in the bedroom is a subconscious attempt to 'make up for' feelings of guilt about being so controlling in everyday life.
 
Cirrus

As always you bring to U/us a deep and thoughtful post as you look within.
Answering for Myself as a Dominant I must honestly say *no* there never is a time inside or outside of the bedroom that I have any desire, need or possibility to submit.
I do not need *control* to exist but I do enjoy it immensely.
I think that mixing jealousy with submission is a recipe for a bad experience actually. I feel the same way about jealousy and Domination.
Jealousy is insecurity..it is controlling in a very unhealthy way. Even a hint of it will begin to erode the foundation of a relationship whether it be BDSM or not.
It is unattractive and breeds guilt..guilt is a negative...jealousy is a negative..insecurity is a negative..negatives are strong enough to consume the positives in a relationship until the only positive left is to move on.
 
Cirrus:

Two things came to mind when I read your heartfelt post. One is that wanting to be the "rejector" rather than the "rejectee" doesn't seem all that uncommon and to me doesn't necessarily mean that you are a control freak, just that feeling rejected damages your self-esteem, which to me seems a quite normal response.

Also, I too (like entitled) am a single mom. I have four kids left at home, so I CANNOT afford not to be in control. My personal style is to try hard to get the kids to cooperate and do things out of love and a feeling of family, rather than threatening or cajoling, etc., but part of parenting is having to be in control. That is NOT my favorite part and I don't think doing what needs to be done makes me any less submissive.
 
I am a very submissive person by nature. In my everyday life, I have to be in control or else, I'd let a certain toddler walk all over me. When I was a professional, it was a balancing act of both.

In the bedroom, I am still submissive (ie: I do not usually like to initiate sex). But I do switch from being submissive to being dominant, to my hub's enjoyment.
 
Justina123 said:
Also, I too (like entitled) am a single mom. I have four kids left at home, so I CANNOT afford not to be in control. My personal style is to try hard to get the kids to cooperate and do things out of love and a feeling of family, rather than threatening or cajoling, etc., but part of parenting is having to be in control. That is NOT my favorite part and I don't think doing what needs to be done makes me any less submissive.
Just a technicality, but i'm not actually a single mom. my Husband works overnight and sleeps most of the day, so it feels like it most of the time, but i am able to stay at home with the younguns. However, you said exactly what i was trying to express. Thank you.
 
WynEternal said:
I am a very submissive person by nature. In my everyday life, I have to be in control or else, I'd let a certain toddler walk all over me. When I was a professional, it was a balancing act of both.

In the bedroom, I am still submissive (ie: I do not usually like to initiate sex). But I do switch from being submissive to being dominant, to my hub's enjoyment.

You switch to being Dominate or to being agressive/the intiator?

There is a difference
 
Shadowsdream said:
Cirrus
I think that mixing jealousy with submission is a recipe for a bad experience actually. I feel the same way about jealousy and Domination.
Jealousy is insecurity..it is controlling in a very unhealthy way. Even a hint of it will begin to erode the foundation of a relationship whether it be BDSM or not.
It is unattractive and breeds guilt..guilt is a negative...jealousy is a negative..insecurity is a negative..negatives are strong enough to consume the positives in a relationship until the only positive left is to move on.

You put very eloquently what I see now when I look back on the relationship. Hindsight is always 20/20, that much is true. And while sometimes it hurts to look back on what a fool we've been and the mistakes we've made that ended up hurting us in the end, it's also how we learn what NOT to do the next time around.

That said, my jealousy was not totally unfounded. I believe that deep in my heart. Yes, I have a tendency toward insecurity, especially in intimate relationships, but I have realized that in myself long ago, and when a situation comes up in which I feel jealous or insecure, I take a step back and say "is this REALLY what's happening, or are these feelings coming from within me?". And when I do that regarding this relationship, I still believe that most of it was really happening.

There were times when I had things come up, even with another friend, that interfered with plans He and I had. I guess you could say that I would have "rather" been with my other friend, but at the same time, it's not that I DIDN'T want to be with him...it's just that my other friends are a people that I don't get to see very often, so when the opportunity presents itself to get together, I have to take it. So I understood when that happened with him. But it started happening ALL the time. He could never say, after a while, that he couldn't get together with someone else because he had other plans. It became that we spent time together when he didn't have anyone else to hang out with. I want more than that in a committed relationship. Maybe others don't, but I do.

And he had double standards...like the day we split up. He couldn't do anything together for "x" reason, but if someone else wanted to do something, "x" wasn't a factor anymore. Bad form.

He and I both made some mistakes, but that's why people break up, right? They're not communicating like they should. He wasn't honest with me toward the end of our relationship because he didn't want to hurt my feelings. I really believe that. He is a very compassionate man, often to a fault. This was one of those times. But by not saying how he felt, we both ended up hurt worse in the end. That's why we're building a better friendship...none of that really matters when you're just friends with someone.

But coming back to control, even the "bad" feeling I had toward the end was because I KNEW, deep down, that neither of us really wanted to continue things the way they were. But I felt bad because I couldn't control or change how he felt. And yes, maybe I did get a little possessive trying to do that...but it wasn't without provocation.

I personally think I, for the most part, sustain a healthy level of the desire for control, but I can also see where in other aspects of my life, not just in relationships, I "pout" if things don't go "my way" and I can't control them. I hadn't really thought of that until speaking with my other friend.

So...we have subs that need or want control in non-sexual parts of their lives. Do we have Dom/mes that are either forced to give up control in those parts, or choose to, but want physical/sexual control over their partner?
 
Originally posted by Cirrus [/QUOTE

So...we have subs that need or want control in non-sexual parts of their lives.

In My world, all of that is covered in the negotiating stages of the relationship.



Do we have Dom/mes that are either forced to give up control in those parts, or choose to, but want physical/sexual control over their partner?

No one forces Me to give up anything. I am in charge of what has been negotiated.

I have posted before that a wise Dominant will make his or her sub useful, having the sub take care of the tasks he or she is best at. After all a sub is there to be of use as well as to be used.

Eb
 
You don't sound like a control freak to me. Wanting to be your
partner's number one priority and getting a reasonable amount of
attention and commitment from them seems perfectly normal. We all
want that.

Clearly you were not getting this and its sounds like your Ex was
never going to give it to you again, so sadly you are probably better
with out him. Or at least you will be when you find someone else who
values you as much as you want and need to be valued.

> To BE dumped says "I am not good enough."

Yes to be dumped by someone you want to be with always hurts and
takes a bite out of your self esteem. On the other hand perhaps the
other person is not good enough as they have failed to appreciate
just how good a person you are.
 
RoughPlay said:


Yes to be dumped by someone you want to be with always hurts and
takes a bite out of your self esteem. On the other hand perhaps the
other person is not good enough as they have failed to appreciate
just how good a person you are.

I too think it is partly a self-esteem issue. Nobody likes to think that they need another person more than they need you. In your case, having done the breaking up and then regretted it and then have him then saying he doesn't want to continue is a blow to pride and self esteem. I had a similar experience and hated feeling like I had been rejected even after I was the one who did the breaking up.

As to the control freak issue, I am an assertive, control-oriented individual outside of my erotic life, and hate not being on-top (so to speak) of my own little corner of the universe. I don't think it's a bad thing. If anyhing, I think that because I exercise a lot of control in other aspects of my life, it makes it that much more...something....when I give it up in my erotic life. I need not to have to control sometimes.
 
As some know about me, With my husband I didnt tell him I was a submissive for four years. I stayed that online with my master there.

I had controll of everything, I was controlling and overbearing if you will. It was only when I was able to tell him, Hey tie me up, I like it better.. Did our sex life get better, and the tables turned. We have a word that turns Mommy, Wife into Submissive as I feel most comfortable. Though we still look at lines, its no easy issue. I go to a club frequently for the play parties, I have sessions with one of the Mistress' there. She tells me, that TOP CEO and Excutives come in and want to be subs at teh end of the day, because they are tired of being in charge.

So I guess that its an issue for alot of ppl, in many different ways.

Just something to think about.
 
To control......or not to control

I'm the type of woman that is very in control of my life. I am a very strong person who's yet to marry. I like to have things my way and I'm extremely stubborn. However, in the bedroom.....I give up 100% control and love nothing more then to have someone take care of me. By that I mean tell me what to do and kinda take over the situation. I wouldn't consider myself submissive because I'm not into the "master/mistress" type of thing. But I do love the idea of stepping outta my everyday world of being in control and having everything together and letting someone else just take me in their arms and me know that everything is going to be okay and let them take over me.

Maybe I am submissive??
 
I think I am quite dominant in daily life, at least I like to keep control of things. I am good at organizing things. I think it seems to most people who I know that I am the sexually dominant one in the relationship. Few people actually know that it's the other way around. Sometimes I take the top role when playing, but I am not very good at it and much too merciful, according to my partner.
 
Im a methodical, control freak, i do things this way, coz ive found as a single parent, it works for me. At work i work in a team happily, happy to be led by good managers, not happy to be lead on wild goose chases by not so good managers. So im sorta flexible in being a dominant outside of the bedroom. Where ever possible, i go for the easy options. Preferring to save my energies for the issues im passionate about.
For the first time, im now in a submissive role. Giving up control is very very difficult to me. But i gain and regain my investment of energy manyfold. Knowing this is what allows me to take the risk of giving up my control to another.
But having taken such a huge risk with my submission. I am NOT sharing. Im not sharing him with another, nor will i have another. I want 100% of his D side energies, in return i shall give 100%, thats either in real life, or on line. Monogamy was part of the negotiating, and ensuring that we both had the same concept of what monogamy was.
I wholeheartedly accept that you may of been jealous, and i accept that jealousy is always a negative force in a relationship, but the guy lied, the guy stole time he'd agreed would be yours and gave it to another. He is free to do so, you are free to respond in whatever way you FEEL fit. That is honest. It seems you made the correct decision there.
The fact that you are seeing him as a friend, does not in my world imply that he is still current. Some of us count amoungst our friends ex lovers, some of us dont. This is a personal agenda, you can either deal with this, or you cant. I find that if you have the right head set on, its easier to deal with. So id carry on seeing him for as long as its profitable for you to do so. If its profitable for him is his responsibliity, not yours. Be guided by it, but dont let his responsibility cloud YOUR decision.
Does that make sense?
 
Re: To control......or not to control

I am the same way Fantasy..I am a very successful, overachiving, dominant person in my real life. But I love to give up control in the bedroom at play. It took me years to accept this and I dont need it, I can live with vanilla sex, but I crave it.


Fantasy_Cum_Tru said:
I'm the type of woman that is very in control of my life. I am a very strong person who's yet to marry. I like to have things my way and I'm extremely stubborn. However, in the bedroom.....I give up 100% control and love nothing more then to have someone take care of me. By that I mean tell me what to do and kinda take over the situation. I wouldn't consider myself submissive because I'm not into the "master/mistress" type of thing. B
Maybe I am submissive??
 
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