Contraversial Stories: (rape, inecst, underage, beastality) Free Speech, or...?

[Brinnie]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

I don't know about you, but I come from the Metropolital porn capital of the world. We're open minded as fuck here, but even then, we don't exactely rape the mother of an underage goat.

Everybody is on the line... But is it all for show?​

 

[BlackSnake]

Brinnie,

I write in the incest/taboo category. No, I don't start my stories talking about how old they are. I try not to write age unless its to show a time line. 20 -> 40 -> 60 three generations. Based on the email I get, its a demand. The numbers show that the incest/taboo category is in demand.

 

[Brinnie]

I'm not talkin bout you, but more so the geeral populous

 

[LadyJeanne]

The incest category is one of the biggest on Lit. And I'd say based on the number of sites out there that cater to bestiality and teen this and that, I'd say there is a demand for those kinds of stories too.

There is truth that writers might write in a particular category for reasons other than demand. Sometimes, we want to try something new, or stretch our own boundaries. If the category doesn't personally turn a writer on, though, it can be hard to capture the essence of the kink and it can come out forced or stiff or dull. But it's fun to try anyway.

 

[CharleyH]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

I don't know about you, but I come from the Metropolital porn capital of the world. We're open minded as fuck here, but even then, we don't exactely rape the mother of an underage goat.

Everybody is on the line... But is it all for show?​

LOL

Yes, rape and incest are typically forced.

PS: if everyone is online, than how can it not be for show?

(smarmy bitch - lol)

 

[RuReal]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

I don't know about you, but I come from the Metropolital porn capital of the world. We're open minded as fuck here, but even then, we don't exactely rape the mother of an underage goat.

Everybody is on the line... But is it all for show?​

I think people write about what they imagine or dream of. For others it is an exercise. As for pushing the limits like everything else sometimes it may it all depends on the person.

I do not think you can lump all of those categories together because I see them all in a different light and some others may too.

A rape fantasy is different than incest. Underage is different from bestiality everyone has their fantasy.

As my wife has said she has had rape fantasies and a lot of women have. Has she thought of any of the other stuff? No not that she has told me yet but to each their own. If something does not work for you then don’t read it that is what I do.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Being in the Survivor contest means I have to write for categories I don't normally read, like for example incest & taboo. To me, the challenge is to write a story that contains the necessary ingredients, but avoiding some of the typical clichées. I'm not fond of father/daughter or mother/son stories, so I stick to brother/sister.
Now, I can either write a normal story where the two people don't realize they're having sex with their sibling, or a story where they know but can't resist the temptation, or a story where the blood tie is part of the turn-on - forbidden fruit, and all that.
Ofcourse the story's gonna be more or less forced, as it's not the type of story I'd like to write, but I can make it LESS forced by writing it as a regular erotic coupling story, and rewrite it as an incest story, or a lesbian story, or a non-consent story...

I think most people who write for the less-than-normal categories (is that PC enough?) do it because they enjoy the kink. Now, granted, I haven't read many incest stories nor ANY bestiality stories, but I am fond of the interracial category, and I see many so called writers treat that category as a freak category - dwelling in tiny white women becoming sluts for abnormally horny black men with 16" cocks. It's often more racistic than erotic, but I see a common nominator between these stories and those featuring incest, bestiality, etc - the person writing it is playing with his/her own hang-ups. They think it's wrong or dirty or something along those lines, so they indulge in the forbidden fruit, being "bad" in writing because they can't imagine doing it in RL.

While it's a pity we have to wade in all the trash to find really good stories, I still think it's a relief to know that these maniacs are getting an outlet through writing, so we don't have to fear them acting out their "passions" in RL.

I'm still keeping my cat locked indoors, though.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

I don't know about you, but I come from the Metropolital porn capital of the world. We're open minded as fuck here, but even then, we don't exactely rape the mother of an underage goat.

Everybody is on the line... But is it all for show?​

People are doing this? Pushing the envelope in terms of incest, rape, underage, and beastiality? That's sad, in my viewpoint. To push the limit for the sake of pushing the limit. It lacks inspiration and all viable motive.

I don't see how Free Speech has anything to do with that. It's freedom without responsibility, which isn't freedom at all.

Q_C

 

[CharleyH]

People are doing this? Pushing the envelope in terms of incest, rape, underage, and beastiality? That's sad, in my viewpoint. To push the limit for the sake of pushing the limit. It lacks inspiration and all viable motive.

I don't see how Free Speech has anything to do with that. It's freedom without responsibility, which isn't freedom at all.

Q_C

I doubt you will mind this. How do YOU push yourself out of the proverbial box?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I doubt you will mind this. How do YOU push yourself out of the proverbial box?

Honestly, I don't so much as even see a box, unless we're talking about a story I'm writing for a particualr place. If I write for Lit, and a character were to be underage, then I might make an adjustment (though I can't say for certain, as it's never happened before) or something of that sort, but I more or less let the story and the characters tell me where to go and follow. Setting boundaries beforehand merely gets in the way of the creative process. In those cases, however, if boundaries are crossed, they're crossed as a result of the story's natural flow. It's not done for the simple point of doing so, or to draw attention to itself as being "extreme" or "pushing the envelope." It's done for the sake of "story."

I guess I mean, I don't PUSH myself out of the box (if we must insist there is one) but instead, tend to be PULLED.

One of these days, I gonna start answering you with questions.

In fact, I'll start now: What time is it?

There, take that.

Q_C

 

[CharleyH]

Honestly, I don't so much as even see a box, unless we're talking about a story I'm writing for a particualr place. If I write for Lit, and a character were to be underage, then I might make an adjustment (though I can't say for certain, as it's never happened before) or something of that sort, but I more or less let the story and the characters tell me where to go and follow. Setting boundaries beforehand merely gets in the way of the creative process. In those cases, however, if boundaries are crossed, they're crossed as a result of the story's natural flow. It's not done for the simple point of doing so, or to draw attention to itself as being "extreme" or "pushing the envelope." It's done for the sake of "story."

I guess I mean, I don't PUSH myself out of the box (if we must insist there is one) but instead, tend to be PULLED.

One of these days, I gonna start answering you with questions.

In fact, I'll start now: What time is it?

There, take that.

Q_C

It is 2005? :|

love it - and will get back to you because all stories follow a rising action "box", especially sex follows that rule. I know Brinnie is asking about these supposed "no - no's" Rape and incest is accepted on Lit, it is a common fantasy. Bestiality and underage? Anything taboo is more interesting from one generation to the next. Was not once GAY - a taboo? Is not all sex taboo? Missionary is accepted. Is anything else in the US.

How does Brinnie mean "freedom of speech" in these instances?
Can I write about any of these things? HELL YES. But I will be thrown in jail for some.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

People are doing this? Pushing the envelope in terms of incest, rape, underage, and beastiality? That's sad, in my viewpoint. To push the limit for the sake of pushing the limit. It lacks inspiration and all viable motive.

I don't see how Free Speech has anything to do with that. It's freedom without responsibility, which isn't freedom at all.

Q_C

How did Free Speech get dragged into this? lol

The simple answer to Brinnie's question would be, well, simple: Yes, there is a hell of a lot of demand. Just check out the reading figures on of the various categories.

Do some people write incest, rape, underage and incest for the sake of being controversial? Sure, it must happen. In fact, some people write any sex, even the most vanilla, for the sake of being controversial. Sex sells. Blood sells. It's a fact of life. If they do it for the sex, for the violence, for the controversy for its own sake without the backup of a good story, though, it simply won't be a good story.

If there's one thing there is plenty of are bad stories.

That has nothing to do with Free Speech, though. Just write what you have to write.

 

[Xelebes]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

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No, there is a demand out there for "Shock" stories and yes, it can sound very forced and very uninvolved or whatever the word may be used to describe what I'm thinking. I'm tired, I lay my blame there.

 

[CharleyH]

How did Free Speech get dragged into this? lol

The simple answer to Brinnie's question would be, well, simple: Yes, there is a hell of a lot of demand. Just check out the reading figures on of the various categories.

Do some people write incest, rape, underage and incest for the sake of being controversial? Sure, it must happen. In fact, some people write any sex, even the most vanilla, for the sake of being controversial. Sex sells. Blood sells. It's a fact of life. If they do it for the sex, for the violence, for the controversy for its own sake without the backup of a good story, though, it simply won't be a good story.

If there's one thing there is plenty of are bad stories.

That has nothing to do with Free Speech, though. Just write what you have to write.

Damn you are sexy. And always right.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

There is such a thing as an abuse of the free speech. I say we follow the Wiccan Rede: "And Harm Ye None, Do As Ye Will", ie do what the eff you want, as long as you don't hurt yourself or any other living creature.

 

[BlackSnake]

How did Free Speech get dragged into this? lol

The simple answer to Brinnie's question would be, well, simple: Yes, there is a hell of a lot of demand. Just check out the reading figures on of the various categories.

Do some people write incest, rape, underage and incest for the sake of being controversial? Sure, it must happen. In fact, some people write any sex, even the most vanilla, for the sake of being controversial. Sex sells. Blood sells. It's a fact of life. If they do it for the sex, for the violence, for the controversy for its own sake without the backup of a good story, though, it simply won't be a good story.

If there's one thing there is plenty of are bad stories.

That has nothing to do with Free Speech, though. Just write what you have to write.

Here's something:
A writer wants to show the relationship in an incest story, but is block by the underage restiction. What is the writer to do? The writer writes the story and show the age of the character instead of telling the character's age. The restriction has thus made the writer better. Yes?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Here's something:
A writer wants to show the relationship in an incest story, but is block by the underage restiction. What is the writer to do? The writer writes the story and show the age of the character instead of telling the character's age. The restriction has thus made the writer better. Yes?

No. That depends on whether "show, don't tell" is a good rule for that particular story, which is never a given. But at least it made the writer sneakier.

If the editors weren't so busy, though, the story would still be rejected.

(I don't know what that something had to do with my post, by the way. )

 

[Brinnie]

How does Brinnie mean "freedom of speech" in these instances?

I've often wondered the same damn thing...
Why do people not support the Free Speech Coalition, just because I support it?



A. Ignorance.



in the end, ignorance is everyone's loss.

 

[Couture]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

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Some sites are more free than others, and on Lit, if one of the characters is in school, then you pretty well need to specify college or say they were 18. Otherwise it will get zapped. Sure it sounds forced, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.​

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?

From what I've seen, it's forced. People are going out of there way to push the boundaries. So you can't use ungerage characters? Does that mean you have to start all stories like this:

"It was her 18th birthday and she was still a virgin..."
​

I don't know about you, but I come from the Metropolital porn capital of the world. We're open minded as fuck here, but even then, we don't exactely rape the mother of an underage goat.

Everybody is on the line... But is it all for show?​

You can start a story how ever you like. You can write about anything you like. Nothing here at lit impinges on your right to freedom of speech or expression.

But just as you writing an article on a sporting event does not obligat3e sports illustrated to publish it, writing a dirty story does not obligate Lit to publish it. This is their enterpirse and they may exercise as much or as little editorial oversite as they see fit.

You continue to confuse freedom of speech, which is a reasonably curtailed right and absolute freedom, which doesn't exist in any socicety.

 

[Dirty Slut]

I write a story because I want to, not because I am forced to. I put what I want into it to make the reader feel that it is real instead of fiction. Whichever way the wind blows during the story is the way that it was meant to blow. IE: I show everything, I never tell, and that is the secret of any successful writer. If there is any telling to be done I let the characters do that as well. I've written just about in every catagory known to mankind, either here, or elsewhere. I get just as much bad feedback as good feedback on every story too because the readers feel that they are reading a true life story. Do my stories test the limits? Aw hell, real life tests the limits, so why shouldn't my stories imitate real life?

I don't always like the stories that I write, due to the genre, but that doesn't mean that I don't want to make it enjoyable for those who do enjoy reading that kind of thing. Better that they should get off on a story of mine, than actually do some of the things that I write about, right?

Is it my right of free speech to write these stories? Yes. Do I think I abuse this right? NO. Do I abuse the reader? No. Why? Because they can always back out of the story if that isn't what they are looking for. But obviously, since I am pretty explicite in the title about what the story is they opened it here at lit for one of three reasons.

1.) To enjoy that kind of story
2.) To vote low on the story because they have one of their own, or a friends story that is running at the same time.
3.) Just hate that kind of story and again want to lowball the vote but this time just so that it doesn't become popular.

For instance: Ten people read the story, and all of them vote 5, and so the story gets a big H after it.

All it takes is for two people in a row voting 1 to screw that average 5 to an average of 4.33333333 and take away the big H.

Now if the original 10 split the vote with five voting 5, and 5 voting 4, then the average of 4.5 with the big H only needs another person voting a 4 to take away the big H by making the average a 4.454, so as you can see it doesn't take much to screw up the average for a new story.

Why do I mention the ratings here? Because that's how the readers pick what stories to read silly. The higher the score is for a story, the more people who read it. Good readers, and bad. And that's the truth about freedom of speech too. The readers determine everything, not the writers.

Nough said, lets write.

DS

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I write a story because I want to, not because I am forced to. I put what I want into it to make the reader feel that it is real instead of fiction. Whichever way the wind blows during the story is the way that it was meant to blow. IE: I show everything, I never tell, and that is the secret of any successful writer. If there is any telling to be done I let the characters do that as well. I've written just about in every catagory known to mankind, either here, or elsewhere. I get just as much bad feedback as good feedback on every story too because the readers feel that they are reading a true life story. Do my stories test the limits? Aw hell, real life tests the limits, so why shouldn't my stories imitate real life?

I don't always like the stories that I write, due to the genre, but that doesn't mean that I don't want to make it enjoyable for those who do enjoy reading that kind of thing. Better that they should get off on a story of mine, than actually do some of the things that I write about, right?

Is it my right of free speech to write these stories? Yes. Do I think I abuse this right? NO. Do I abuse the reader? No. Why? Because they can always back out of the story if that isn't what they are looking for. But obviously, since I am pretty explicite in the title about what the story is they opened it here at lit for one of three reasons.

1.) To enjoy that kind of story
2.) To vote low on the story because they have one of their own, or a friends story that is running at the same time.
3.) Just hate that kind of story and again want to lowball the vote but this time just so that it doesn't become popular.

For instance: Ten people read the story, and all of them vote 5, and so the story gets a big H after it.

All it takes is for two people in a row voting 1 to screw that average 5 to an average of 4.33333333 and take away the big H.

Now if the original 10 split the vote with five voting 5, and 5 voting 4, then the average of 4.5 with the big H only needs another person voting a 4 to take away the big H by making the average a 4.454, so as you can see it doesn't take much to screw up the average for a new story.

Why do I mention the ratings here? Because that's how the readers pick what stories to read silly. The higher the score is for a story, the more people who read it. Good readers, and bad. And that's the truth about freedom of speech too. The readers determine everything, not the writers.

Nough said, lets write.

DS

Oh wow! a DS sighting!

Great to see you posting again Ds

 

[Dirty Slut]

Oh wow! a DS sighting!

Great to see you posting again Ds

Well, between computer crashes, diaper changing, yada, yada, yada, there hasn't really been too much time left in my day lately to enter anything here, and then there is the ever boring diatribes that usually take up the bulk of the forum that I refuse to deal with. LOL

DS

 

[violent intimacy]

Is there really a demand for this stuff or are people just writing it to be controversial to get attention?​

I think it can be difficult, sometimes, for people who are not into reading (I said reading, not doing) about those things to imagine that others might. I read only in the non-consent/reluctance category here on Literotica, and find most of the others boring.

Of course there's a demand. I read a fair amount of rape and bestiality stories, though not on here because Literotica don't truck with that kinda thing. And where there is one (me) there are many (other people who like the same).

The non-consent category on Literotica is extremely tame as far as those kinds of stories go. I recently edited a brilliantly well-written non-consent story for someone, but it was eventually rejected for being "too violent." Very regretful. Still, I certainly understand the need to set limits due to laws, et cetera.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Well, between computer crashes, diaper changing, yada, yada, yada, there hasn't really been too much time left in my day lately to enter anything here, and then there is the ever boring diatribes that usually take up the bulk of the forum that I refuse to deal with. LOL

DS

It's just great to see you posting again. Hopefully things will calm for you.