Continue THREADS?

[subrodude46]

JammyJimmy wrote a nice story back in 2012, under Incest and he seems to have either died, or other stuff happened to him.
I know from time to time other authors have done continuations of others work and was wondering if anyone viewing this would take on the challenge.

This story was really complex with many unique persons and was vast in scope.:

 

[LWulf]

Point of reference, I believe there is some rule that you aren't supposed to continue other people's stories, and even if there isn't, I'd look at it as copyright infringement if someone did so for one of my stories without my expressed permission.

Also, writers will continue other writer's stories in what are called "Chain" stories. This is where all writers are aware of the other writers and they are working in concert with each other.

While JammyJimmy last posted work in 2011, their profile shows: Last Activity: 09-13-2013 06:28 AM which is about 7 to 8 months ago.

Chill partner.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That author has apparently been around in the last year, I wouldn't count anybody who is missing for less than a year as MIA. I would ask permission, it's only polite.

I've continued a series from a previous author however and I say the same thing there that I've said about my occasionally writing about Disney Characters. When/if someone comes at me I'll deal with it then. If Disney sends me a cease and desist I'll frame it, post it on my wall and then make sure I get booked on. . .shit who does talk shows these days? And I'll cry and bring a puppy and talk about how Disney is filled with mean poopy heads. If it's someone on here I'll politely apologize and delete it.

 

[LWulf]

So, you would, let's say, borrow someone's car, without asking them, and only when they asked for their car back would you return it???


For the most part, dizknee doesn't own the characters in their shows. For instance, the little mermaid is a series based on a story by Hans Christian Andersen back in 1700-something. Any copyright The Andersen family had on Ariel, pretty much ran out about 120 years after Hans wrote it. Which is why Dizknee can use those characters freely without asking permission.
This is copyright law.

However, characters like Sebastian and Flounder are completely Dizknee's domain since they created them (circa 1980) and their copyright for those characters will run out after about 120 years.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So, you would, let's say, borrow someone's car, without asking them, and only when they asked for their car back would you return it???


For the most part, dizknee doesn't own the characters in their shows. For instance, the little mermaid is a series based on a story by Hans Christian Andersen back in 1700-something. Any copyright The Andersen family had on Ariel, pretty much ran out about 120 years after Hans wrote it. Which is why Dizknee can use those characters freely without asking permission.
This is copyright law.

However, characters like Sebastian and Flounder are completely Dizknee's domain since they created them (circa 1980) and their copyright for those characters will run out after about 120 years.

A car is nothing like a copy right, but if I'm being honest if I was in need of shelter and found an empty house covered in cobwebs, yeah I'd move in and deal with any potential consequences later.

Your half right. Disney owns quite a few of the characters from their movies and shows. Many of them had no names in the original tellings. Belle, Jasmine and Ariel are all "original" characters created by Disney. They were Beauty, The Princess and The Mermaid respectively. They also own the likenesses. So we're perfectly safe writing in most cases but technically artists could get into a lot of trouble. (Though one needs only take a glance at Deviant Art to notice that Disney has backed of significantly from the days of old. It might have taken them a while but they figured out you can't effectively fight the internet. They seem to limit their fights to people posting entire episodes on Youtube these days. (I and I support them in that fight.)

In addition copyrights and trade marks generally run out faster than 120 years. Any Nintendo fan can tell you about how Universal sued Nintendo over Donkey Kong and found out in court they'd failed to renew the license on King Kong in the first fucking place or in more modern times that My Little Pony only shares a few characters with the 1980's series because Hasbro made the same mistake and Winnie the Pooh has similar issues with Disney. All of which is a little beside the point.

Step one would be the obvious ask for permission.
Step two if permission is denied respect that.
Step two B if no contact is made make a judgement call.
You can either take your chances and see how they react or make something similar.

 

[LWulf]

A car is nothing like a copy right, but if I'm being honest if I was in need of shelter and found an empty house covered in cobwebs, yeah I'd move in and deal with any potential consequences later.

Your half right. Disney owns quite a few of the characters from their movies and shows. Many of them had no names in the original tellings. Belle, Jasmine and Ariel are all "original" characters created by Disney. They were Beauty, The Princess and The Mermaid respectively. They also own the likenesses. So we're perfectly safe writing in most cases but technically artists could get into a lot of trouble. (Though one needs only take a glance at Deviant Art to notice that Disney has backed of significantly from the days of old. It might have taken them a while but they figured out you can't effectively fight the internet. They seem to limit their fights to people posting entire episodes on Youtube these days. (I and I support them in that fight.)

In addition copyrights and trade marks generally run out faster than 120 years. Any Nintendo fan can tell you about how Universal sued Nintendo over Donkey Kong and found out in court they'd failed to renew the license on King Kong in the first fucking place or in more modern times that My Little Pony only shares a few characters with the 1980's series because Hasbro made the same mistake and Winnie the Pooh has similar issues with Disney. All of which is a little beside the point.

You're half right.

There is a difference between Copyright and Patent. A copyright allows you to own intellectual property "In most of the world, the default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years."
~a la wiki

Patents only last a handful of years then must be renewed to retain ownership.

By the way, living in an abandoned house isn't copyright, it's squatter's rights.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I stand corrected Ms. Wulf.

 

[lovecraft68]

That story if I recall was over 40 lit pages. What can you add to it?

Its one thing if its unfinished or an author left a ton of loose ends, but another to just want to pick up some else's characters and run with them.

As for JJ.....some authors are for lack of a better term pne trick ponies. It could also be a case of he is caught up in how do I top the number one incest story of all time? But truth be told if the incest top list is ever fixed it may not be number one anymore.

 

[subrodude46]

copywrite on internet

I have no intention of attempting to continue a story so complex, but I do think there is enough material that is left unresolved.

Some stories on LIT do have the copy write disclaimer at the head of the story, this would be enough to protect the idea and persons in the story.

a quick review of internet copy wrote material appears to back up this contention.

JJ on his blogsport, indicated he has several novels ready to publish, I am certain if that is correct he would know enough to protect his material legally.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All the writing on Lit is copyrighted the moment you post it. That's just how it works.

The reason I think as I do is I've found the majority of authors around here tend to be some combination of coolish and oblivious. If you wouldn't be trying a continuation but instead wrapping up some loose ends I would just put an opening paragraph that makes it clear that the story is essentially Fan Fiction, make sure it has a different but similar title and call it a day.

 

[lovecraft68]

I have no intention of attempting to continue a story so complex, but I do think there is enough material that is left unresolved.

Some stories on LIT do have the copy write disclaimer at the head of the story, this would be enough to protect the idea and persons in the story.

a quick review of internet copy wrote material appears to back up this contention.

JJ on his blogsport, indicated he has several novels ready to publish, I am certain if that is correct he would know enough to protect his material legally.

Then maybe one of those novels is a continuation of Threads and he might have decided not to give it away here for free like the first one

 

[Tsotha]

Copyright is a law, not a rule of the universe.

Yes, it IS impolite to use other people's work without asking, but so is letting people die in third world countries due to patents on drugs that cost hundreds of dollars and could be sold at 1/10 of that price, still making a profit. So "right" and "wrong" is debatable, when it comes to copy (not theft) of intellectual property.

There is also a very interesting case, recently, of an author who decided to write fan-fiction of her own work (which she lost the rights to). I think it was the person who writes Vampire Diaries; it was on the Author's Hangout the other day. If the fans want to read her "fan-fic" version, and not the "official" version (continued by another writer), who is right, who is wrong?

With that said, I don't think it's right to write a "continuation", in this case. But what is the problem with being inspired by someone else's work? If it were me, I'd be happy that I got someone to write. It's a good thing.

 

[lovecraft68]

Copyright is a law, not a rule of the universe.

Yes, it IS impolite to use other people's work without asking, but so is letting people die in third world countries due to patents on drugs that cost hundreds of dollars and could be sold at 1/10 of that price, still making a profit.

Third world countries? People are dying like that here never mind starving in this country. USA will be a third world nation by the next generation if it takes that long.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Copyright is a law, not a rule of the universe.

Yes, it IS impolite to use other people's work without asking, but so is letting people die in third world countries due to patents on drugs that cost hundreds of dollars and could be sold at 1/10 of that price, still making a profit. So "right" and "wrong" is debatable, when it comes to copy (not theft) of intellectual property.

There is also a very interesting case, recently, of an author who decided to write fan-fiction of her own work (which she lost the rights to). I think it was the person who writes Vampire Diaries; it was on the Author's Hangout the other day. If the fans want to read her "fan-fic" version, and not the "official" version (continued by another writer), who is right, who is wrong?

With that said, I don't think it's right to write a "continuation", in this case. But what is the problem with being inspired by someone else's work? If it were me, I'd be happy that I got someone to write. It's a good thing.

The closest thing to a rule of the universe is that every day someone with mor epower chooses not to kill you, is a gift he has granted you out of the goodness of his heart. Everything else is petty details.

I'd love to hear the details on this case with the Vampire Diaries especially since they are one of the relatively few franchises that have opened up to allow fan fic writers to make money off their fan fiction this story sounds unusual. I mean why would you literally and legally open the flood gates if you didn't want people playing on your yard?

Third world countries? People are dying like that here never mind starving in this country. USA will be a third world nation by the next generation if it takes that long.

Most of them are in third world countries. We'll probably never be genuine third world, the rich will toss us enough crumbs to keep us from revolting.

 

[lovecraft68]

Most of them are in third world countries. We'll probably never be genuine third world, the rich will toss us enough crumbs to keep us from revolting.

Things are revolting alright

If you mean the goverment when you say rich, you're right. That's why the middle calss is being ground out of existence so its rich and poor. They take enough from the middle class to destroy it, but don't give quite enough to the poor to elevate them

That's what obamacare is about. The middle class is paying for it through their rates being raised through the tax that was not supposed to be a tax and the all the chains are cutting their employees hours and income down making them poor


Government is giving it to the poor, but its in the form of healthcare not money so it keeps them low income.

In fact with the price of medical people are better off in some cases making less money on purpose.

And that is what the Government is aiming for and hate to bust you and the rest of the GB's bubble, but obama care is democratic. Can't hook the repugs on this one. A lot of other things sure. Its a race to see who crushes us the dems or the repugs. Only thing I prefer in the dems is they don't believe in rape the way the republicans do.

 

[Tsotha]

I'd love to hear the details on this case with the Vampire Diaries especially since they are one of the relatively few franchises that have opened up to allow fan fic writers to make money off their fan fiction this story sounds unusual. I mean why would you literally and legally open the flood gates if you didn't want people playing on your yard?

Here is the thread where I read that:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1023038

We'll probably never be genuine third world, the rich will toss us enough crumbs to keep us from revolting.

I'm not from the United States, but I've been to places.

How poor are the poor people in the US? Pretty poor, it seems. Mostly because the right-wing party in your country is the cuckoo right-wing party in any other country, and the "left wing" in your country is the center in other countries. Must be an effect of that commie hunting, I guess.

It's pretty funny when a third worlder decides to go back to his country's health care system, rather than using the US'. That's how bad it is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is also a very interesting case, recently, of an author who decided to write fan-fiction of her own work (which she lost the rights to). I think it was the person who writes Vampire Diaries; it was on the Author's Hangout the other day. If the fans want to read her "fan-fic" version, and not the "official" version (continued by another writer), who is right, who is wrong?

Having read the link this is pretty much the epitome of "Everybody Won." Thanks to Kindle Worlds Vampire Diaries is fair game for anybody and everybody who wants to tell the story of Damon and Stephan. I don't know the details behind how she lost the rights initially, it looks from the article like she (which authors often do) sold the rights to the publisher not really thinking much of it (and why should she, for every Vampire Diaries that goes mega best seller and gets a successful television show there are dozens that quietly get forgotten).

So now she gets to write her story the way she wants, she gets paid for it, it's 100% legal and encouraged, her name will bring a level of respect to her stories that nobody else competing with her will have. The company that owns the Vampire Diaries now get to collect on her hard work without paying her or dealing with her directly or anything. They won't be sold in book stores (probably, I don't know what the rule is as far as Amazon printing books) so they'll probably sell less than they would have otherwise but who knows there.

While I guess this isn't the perfect outcome I think this still qualifies as damn good deal and everybody should be going home with smiles. Up until the company realizes that part of it's contract states it owns anything put up as Vampire Diaries legally and nothing prevents them from once again using her work for official novels or more likely taking the best of her work and incorporating it. But if I understand the Kindle Worlds rules (and I've been kinda following it since it started) my understanding is part of the deal is you've added (albeit unofficially) to their universe and they can take what they want. Normally it's no biggy, if the fact that I wrote a Fan Fic that has a third Salvatore brother shows up in on TV I'm just gonna brag all day but I'm not the original creator.