Confederate flag

[Guest]

Re: Just out of curiosity...

... How many folks here know the difference between the "Stars and Bars" and the "Confederate Battle Flag"?

Now that's a stupid question to put on this thread. I doubt anyone that didn't know the difference would even post.

Moon

 

[Guest]

Whenever the 'hyphenated American' argument comes up, a group of people here will say that people should be Americans first and then whatever their culture/race/shoe size is second. But many of these same people who object to "African-American" or "Italian-American" labels will fly the Confederate flag - not the stars & stripes. They put "Southern heritage" above their pride in their country, in the same way as those hyphenated Americans they complain about. And the flag they fly is not just a "pride in the South" symbol - it's a reminder of a time when rather than work out differences with the Federal government, a group of states threatened to detach themselves from the United States.

I'm reading this backwards now, but Laurel, I'm not sure this entirely true. Yea, the south is pretty backwards, in my personal experience, but I think this is a tad racist comment on it's own.

Moon

 

[berkley2955]

Re: Re: Just out of curiosity...

Now that's a stupid question to put on this thread. I doubt anyone that didn't know the difference would even post.

Moon

I'm not so sure about that. I've noticed many people refer to the Battle Flag as the Stars & Bars.

 

[Guest]

Beyond the racist aspect, the Confederate flag has semi-treasonous elements to it. It represents a nation that started a war to separate itself from the United States of America. How anyone could consider themselves a proud American yet proudly display a flag that is basically anti-USA is odd to me.

Ok, this is where I disagree with you. Think about it. The Americans had just broken away from England and Europe, and was feeling pretty randy about this time. Why not start a new country if we wanted one?

The south needed America, but didn't know it. I don't blame them for trying. I DO blame them for there beliefs of slavery, but I don't blame them for thinking they should be a country of their own.

Moon

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Just out of curiosity...

Now that's a stupid question to put on this thread. I doubt anyone that didn't know the difference would even post.

Moon

It's not a stupid question because lots of folks reading this may not know the difference even though they aren't posting.

For the sake of clarity I'll say that the confederate flag I'm talking about in this thread is the stars and bars, which is what I believe most people think of when they hear the term confederate or "rebel" flag.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Unfortunately...

Not everyone considers the symbolism behind things.

Unfortunately, this is a true statement. They may have to learn by example.

Moon

 

[HeavyStick]

I had to vote other

1. It is associated with hatred.

2. People will associate it with hatred.

3. I know southerner's who fly the Confederate flag and are not rascists or "closet rascists".

I would rather see a Confederate flag waving before a Swatzika. (which the germans stole from the native americans).


The Confederate Flag will be in the eye of the beholder. We may not like what it represented, but we must not forget.

 

[berkley2955]

Flags of the Confederacy

There were five flags used during the Confederacy.
The Stars & Bars is probably the least known of the set. The Southern Cross or Confederate Navy Jack are the best known. I've tried to attach a pic of the Stars & Bars but I think it may be too big. If it doesn't work here is the link where I found the history of the flags.

http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html

 

[Guest]

testing

couldn't post it, so I grabbed it instead.

 

[SGTBIGDOG420]

Re: Whoa there. Even though I found it difficult to read.

This one sentence really jumped out at me.



Just what exactly are you trying to say here sergeant?

I hope its not that you consider the American flag the "flag of the enemy."

for the people who were involved in a war it was but that was long ago, the point i'm trying to make it is a part of the southern heritage and it would not honer the confederate dead by removing their flag from the world or by remembering them with the flag they were fighting against.

 

[phrodeau]

Re: Re: Whoa there. Even though I found it difficult to read.

for the people who were involved in a war it was but that was long ago, the point i'm trying to make it is a part of the southern heritage and it would not honer the confederate dead by removing their flag from the world or by remembering them with the flag they were fighting against.

Does it honor the dead to dress them in the colors of a loser?

 

[Problem Child]

Berkely, thank you for posting the link about the flags. I must stand corrected because I had always thought the Confederate Navy Jack was also called the stars and bars, and that is the flag I'm talking about here as well as the battle flag, since they are fairly similar in design.

 

[harleyhog]

as a biker of 30 plus years,,,,,,,,,there is only a minute few,who wear patches of the rebel flag and nazi ss. these assholes also wear 1percent patches,,meaning they represent only 1precent of bikers world wide. please do not judge all by the acts of a few.

and yes,,,,,,,I am a biker.. I eat , sleep, and dream Harley. every room in my house is decorated harley style. My wife rides her own fatboy, and neither of us does drugs. Contrary to what hollywood and the 1precenters has done for the image of motorcyclists,,99percent are normal hard working people who come from all walks of life.

lost cause, is just plain lost.

the confederate flags belong in a museum as a part of our past. it is a constant reminder of oppression to certain peoples.

 

[Weevil]

I would rather see a Confederate flag waving before a Swatzika. (which the germans stole from the native americans).

Well, I don't know you but maybe that's because you're white?

Oh, and the Swastika was taken(Not stolen, anyone can use it) from the Indians, as in India. It's a Hindu symbol.

 

[Skibum]

My great-grandfather fought in a war against that traitor's emblem. The south lost (as they deserved), and their damn flag should never be flown again.

 

[patient1]

Re: Just out of curiosity...

... How many folks here know the difference between the "Stars and Bars" and the "Confederate Battle Flag"?

Well the stupid question is the one that isn't asked.
I knew the difference , but I had a great interest in history.

I'm glad you raised it.

 

[KinkyKat]

When you see a personal display of a confederate flag (such as on a bumper sticker or a t-shirt) what is your first reaction regarding the person displaying the flag?

Even though I'm a native of the South, I might tend to classify the bearer of a Confederate flag a something of a redneck....although there's nothing wrong with being a redneck.

For that matter, there is nothing wrong with flying the Confederate flag in appropriate places. It IS a piece of history, and that will never change.