Conceptual Metaphor Theory

dr_mabeuse

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Conceptual Metaphor Theory comes out of the science of Neurolinguistics, which itself is a product mostly of AI and looks at how language shapes and is shaped by the mind. It now seems that language is not a product of intelligence but is an integral part of intelligence. (In this case, language is defined as the assignment of symbols to objects, not the vocalized reproduction of these symbols. If you want to get an idea of the kind of raw language the brain uses, consider your dreams. We don't have words for everything that happens in our dreams, but dreams occur in the mind's native language.)

It seems now that the hard part in building machines that think isn't a hardware problem, a case of putting the machinery together, but a software problem, a way of getting that machinery to do what we call "thiinking". The best ideas so far come out of psycholinguistics and involve manipulation of symbols according to some pretty simple basic rules.

According to Conceptual Metaphor Theory, all thinking happens in metaphors. In other words, a thought or a discovery is the creation of a metaphor. "A Man's Home is his Castle." is a metaphor. "Life is a journey" is a metaphor. "Every woman is a queen" is a metaphor, and what happens in those metaphors is an object (Home, Life, Woman,) is given new meaning through its redefinition in the metaphor. The metaphor gives us a new range of meanings for them, new consequences and references that spreads out like the limbs of a tree into an infinity of new possibilities.

The technique is amazingly powerful and robust. Just play with it and it';s not to score hits. "Every woman is a ...Castle...Journey...Hamburger...Goodbye...Thursday,,,Whatever" Our minds seem designed to work in this way and automatically seek out meanings like our eyes seek out meanings in jumbles of letters, and businesses are already using Metaphor Storming to generate ideas. Try it for coming up with plots. Put names, activities places, etc on slips of papers and pick them from a hat and see if you can't come up with stories. They already sell these kind of plot generators for authors and I think there's a free on available on the web somewhere, but it's not very good.

Metaphors aren't trivial either. Definitions are metaphors. Unless some sort of empirical scientific distinctions can be found, both "homosexuality is a vice" and "homosexuality is a disease" are basically metaphors Which one we choose to go with will determine how we look at homosexuality and the consequences homosexuality.

For writers, metaphors are our bread and butter. They're the stuff we build with. CMT has a special name for the one-word "metaphor", the effect of the connotations achieved depending on whether he "slides" his cock into her or "shoves" his cock into her but all writers (and readers) are aware of it. These basic one-word metaphors are how we describe the world in our stories, and they build into larger phrased metaphors, where our characters make love like wind through pines or two colliding locomotives and we feel the sweet sensuality of the pine needles or the hot iron spinning through the air. These metaphors build into larger metaphors—the scenes in our stories set in dingy apartments or flashy nightclubs where the lights and the sparkle say something about the human spirit as we see it at that moment, and even large till we have the entire piece as metaphor, the story from beginning to end, all the words, images, speech, flavor, our vision of the world and humanity at the point in time.

And it happens whether you intend it to or not. You might think I'm talking English Major stuff here, but everytime you write you're writing with content and style and theme, no matter how crude or asscrack-awful the piece is, it's something you're giving the world, something as yours as your fingerprint, a flavor that could only have come from your brain.

When I talk about writers and poets being the most important people in the world, that's what I mean. Without us, there's just raw experience. It''s through the weight of our work that people come to decide whether, say, erotic whipping is an expression of a man's contempt for a woman or his attempt to communicate the depth of his own desire for her, or both, or neither. We give people the words and the concepts they use to describe the world they live in, which means we give them the means to think about it.

For the people who visit Literotica, God have mercy on their poor minds.

"I kiked in the dor and camed rite in hur facse!"
 
Remember that Star Trek (TNG) episode where Picard is stuck on a planet, trying to communicate with a new species of alien? (played by Paul Winfield, I believe)

The "universal translator" correctly translated their speech to words that they could both understand, yet they couldn't communicate. The alien, and his entire culture, spoke only in metaphors. The crux of the episode was Picard realizing this, and eventually figuring out WTF the alien was talking about. It always stuck in my mind as a powerful lesson in language and cognition......Carney
 
Conceptual metaphor's sound nice and it rings true but for me it's all about the pretty pictures. But then again the pictures could be metaphors on their own....

Ok, now I've got to think about this...... :confused:
 
I've read Fred Saberhagen's Berserker series and the Colossus trilogy too often to be comfortable with the idea of sentient computers. We would have no idea, really, of how they would think.

And they could easily decide they wouldn't need us.

I used to shoot down the AI geeks amongst my comrades in the computing world by saying, "How can we fake something when we don't know what the real thing is? It would be like counterfeiting a US $1,000 bill having never seen one."

That 'Metaphor Storming' seems a good way to describe how I'm thinking when I'm dreaming up a story though.

Interesting ideas, doc. I'll have to think about them.
 
rgraham666 said:
I used to shoot down the AI geeks amongst my comrades in the computing world by saying, "How can we fake something when we don't know what the real thing is? It would be like counterfeiting a US $1,000 bill having never seen one."

Not a problem. Just pass the bill to someone else who has never seen a US$1,000 bill.
 
hmmnmm said:
So... if "writing is agony"... uh-oh.
Don't worry, it's only a metaphor ;)

Seriously speaking, this is part of one theory of why languages flourish or disappear-- the more abstract they can be, and the more ways words and constructions can be put toghether, the more successful a language will be.

English is one of the most accepting tongues on this planet, so it's become the lingua franca (Latin term understood and used in English) for the world.
 
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Sometimes I start out with a series of metaphors and it takes me a while to figure out what it is I want to say with a given work. I then countour my language and use of metaphors to fit the theme. I've only ever posted the "Mail Slot" to this site, but I found great catharsis in being able to convey my feelings regarding my relationships with myself and men; and my frustruations on the whole.

I totally dig metaphors.

Metaphor: Ophelia held her favorite toy, a burgundy suede flogger. Much like a woman, it appeared to be soft and inviting; but the observer would carefully note it's ability to inflict great pain.

Ok, I am so totally buying that thing. *searches for her credit card in an oversized bag*.

:D
 
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I knew there was a deeper meaning to my blurting. I just knew it.


Now to ponder an erotic metaphor that translates human sexual interaction into a computer language. Oh....wait....Computer language already encompasses that thought. Ones and zeros, yin and yang, up and down, on and off. Computer language at its most basic offers insite into the polarity of human nature by establishing a draw and repulsion of two entities that result in a fascination creating an interaction resulting in communication!


I am so full of shit.


Thanks for the read Good Doctor.
 
The_Fool said:
I knew there was a deeper meaning to my blurting. I just knew it.


Now to ponder an erotic metaphor that translates human sexual interaction into a computer language. Oh....wait....Computer language already encompasses that thought. Ones and zeros, yin and yang, up and down, on and off. Computer language at its most basic offers insite into the polarity of human nature by establishing a draw and repulsion of two entities that result in a fascination creating an interaction resulting in communication!


I am so full of shit.


Thanks for the read Good Doctor.

I just knew numbers vcould be sexy! ;)
 
Carnevil9 said:
Remember that Star Trek (TNG) episode where Picard is stuck on a planet, trying to communicate with a new species of alien? (played by Paul Winfield, I believe)

The "universal translator" correctly translated their speech to words that they could both understand, yet they couldn't communicate. The alien, and his entire culture, spoke only in metaphors. The crux of the episode was Picard realizing this, and eventually figuring out WTF the alien was talking about. It always stuck in my mind as a powerful lesson in language and cognition......Carney


I was thinking of the same thing. Glad to know I'm not the only Trek geek on here. ;)



TxRad said:
Conceptual Metaphor's sound nice and it rings true but for me it's all about the pretty pictures. But then again the pictures could be metaphors all on their own....

I think it's the metaphors that give us the pretty pictures.
 
Except that the use of any form of the verb "to be" in such a formulation is inherently coercive and technically innacurate - we make this assumption when discussing metaphors, but not always when we generate them - writing is like agony, life is like a journey, "her cunt gripped him like a warm friendly hand" (-Jim Morrison), etc.

The map is not the territory, there is no failure, only feedback.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
When I talk about writers and poets being the most important people in the world, that's what I mean. Without us, there's just raw experience. It''s through the weight of our work that people come to decide whether, say, erotic whipping is an expression of a man's contempt for a woman or his attempt to communicate the depth of his own desire for her, or both, or neither. We give people the words and the concepts they use to describe the world they live in, which means we give them the means to think about it.

I agree with this completely.

How do we learn of the events of the past? Through those that saw them, and wrote about them, whether they were writing about the coronation of a king, or merely a letter to their sister, detailing the events of an everyday life.

What we as a whole write will be what is remembered of our civilization.
 
xssve said:
Except that the use of any form of the verb "to be" in such a formulation is inherently coercive and technically innacurate - we make this assumption when discussing metaphors, but not always when we generate them - writing is like agony, life is like a journey, "her cunt gripped him like a warm friendly hand" (-Jim Morrison), etc.

The map is not the territory, there is no failure, only feedback.

I got the first bit (something I seem to have 'known' even as I read it) but you lost me here.

Aren't those examples similes?

When using images as metaphor the film maker isn't saying that penetration is like a train entering a tunnel he's presenting a representation of penetration (possibly a euphemism rather than a metaphor) but he isn't saying this is what penetration is like he's saying this is penetration.
 
gauchecritic said:
I got the first bit (something I seem to have 'known' even as I read it) but you lost me here.

Aren't those examples similes?

When using images as metaphor the film maker isn't saying that penetration is like a train entering a tunnel he's presenting a representation of penetration (possibly a euphemism rather than a metaphor) but he isn't saying this is what penetration is like he's saying this is penetration.

:) - All silliness aside, I couldn't agree with you more.
 
gauchecritic said:
I got the first bit (something I seem to have 'known' even as I read it) but you lost me here.

Aren't those examples similes?

When using images as metaphor the film maker isn't saying that penetration is like a train entering a tunnel he's presenting a representation of penetration (possibly a euphemism rather than a metaphor) but he isn't saying this is what penetration is like he's saying this is penetration.

Are we talking about film or linguistics?

If film then I suppose you might be correct, although I'd be more inclined to call it symbolic penetration, like a metaphor but... different. Words are symbols as well of course, but visual symbols work on slightly different levels than verbal ones I believe, though the effect is often similar.

Perhaps the estimable Dr. Mabeuse, or another poster can shed some light on it, when it comes to film crticism I'm a bit of a brut - if it works...

Still, I'm thinking that this particualr metaphor would tend to work poorly in literature: "he siezed her, ripping off her blouse, and pulling her skirt over her head. Throwing her roughly on the bed with a sardonic sneer, and after momentarily fumbling with his zipper, he leapt upon her and the train entered the deep, dark tunnel".

I dunno, sounds even more vulgar if anything, I'm thinking it doesn't work.
 
gauchecritic said:
When using images as metaphor the film maker isn't saying that penetration is like a train entering a tunnel he's presenting a representation of penetration (possibly a euphemism rather than a metaphor) but he isn't saying this is what penetration is like he's saying this is penetration.

If the film is about me fucking then he's emphasizing the fact that my penis whistles and belches clouds of black soot when it enters my partner's vagina.

What? Like yours doesn't?

Yeah, that train is a symbol, I guess, thy don't count. To be efficient (I didn't want to get into the jargon before, A metaphor (Men are assholes) has a Source domain i.e. all men in this case and a target domain, which would be all assholes, and features from the source domain "map" onto features in the target domain, like men's odor's map into the asshole;'s odor, men;s general appearance maps into an asshole general attractiveness men's usefulness... well,, you get the picture. You don't find this kind of mapping happening with a symbol, which is just a sign signifying something else.

But you notice that metaphor hunting is that same as what happens in science when they're "model shopping", looking for the best model that explains a phenemenon. Before I mentioned homosexuality as vice or diseace, Same was true with alcoholism, or with disease itself, as with "You are what you eat" and "Green is good" which have become metaphoric truths with little or no scientific support. They're "true" because of their poetry, not their science.
 
What's so cool about this is that English People get so happy whenever they get to make any sort of contribution to the hard sciences, It happens so rarely, and right now this subject is red hot and sexy, and all these balding Chaucer scholars have these sexy hot things talking them up it's very sweet and more power to them!
 
dr_mabeuse said:
According to Conceptual Metaphor Theory, all thinking happens in metaphors. In other words, a thought or a discovery is the creation of a metaphor. "A Man's Home is his Castle." is a metaphor. "Life is a journey" is a metaphor. "Every woman is a queen" is a metaphor, and what happens in those metaphors is an object (Home, Life, Woman,) is given new meaning through its redefinition in the metaphor. The metaphor gives us a new range of meanings for them, new consequences and references that spreads out like the limbs of a tree into an infinity of new possibilities.

The technique is amazingly powerful and robust. Just play with it and it';s not to score hits. "Every woman is a ...Castle...Journey...Hamburger...Goodbye...Thursday,,,Whatever" Our minds seem designed to work in this way and automatically seek out meanings like our eyes seek out meanings in jumbles of letters, and businesses are already using Metaphor Storming to generate ideas. Try it for coming up with plots. Put names, activities places, etc on slips of papers and pick them from a hat and see if you can't come up with stories. They already sell these kind of plot generators for authors and I think there's a free on available on the web somewhere, but it's not very good.

Metaphors aren't trivial either. Definitions are metaphors. Unless some sort of empirical scientific distinctions can be found, both "homosexuality is a vice" and "homosexuality is a disease" are basically metaphors Which one we choose to go with will determine how we look at homosexuality and the consequences homosexuality.

For writers, metaphors are our bread and butter. They're the stuff we build with. CMT has a special name for the one-word "metaphor", the effect of the connotations achieved depending on whether he "slides" his cock into her or "shoves" his cock into her but all writers (and readers) are aware of it. These basic one-word metaphors are how we describe the world in our stories, and they build into larger phrased metaphors, where our characters make love like wind through pines or two colliding locomotives and we feel the sweet sensuality of the pine needles or the hot iron spinning through the air. These metaphors build into larger metaphors—the scenes in our stories set in dingy apartments or flashy nightclubs where the lights and the sparkle say something about the human spirit as we see it at that moment, and even large till we have the entire piece as metaphor, the story from beginning to end, all the words, images, speech, flavor, our vision of the world and humanity at the point in time.

And it happens whether you intend it to or not. You might think I'm talking English Major stuff here, but everytime you write you're writing with content and style and theme, no matter how crude or asscrack-awful the piece is, it's something you're giving the world, something as yours as your fingerprint, a flavor that could only have come from your brain.

When I talk about writers and poets being the most important people in the world, that's what I mean. Without us, there's just raw experience. It''s through the weight of our work that people come to decide whether, say, erotic whipping is an expression of a man's contempt for a woman or his attempt to communicate the depth of his own desire for her, or both, or neither. We give people the words and the concepts they use to describe the world they live in, which means we give them the means to think about it.

For the people who visit Literotica, God have mercy on their poor minds.

"I kiked in the dor and camed rite in hur facse!"

that's pretty deep, although I almost didn't take the time to read it because I was pretty sure I wasn't going to understand it at all.

I've found that the best erotic (and otherwise) stories are ones w/ an ongoing metaphore which is also what on the surface the story or book is about. for instance, if you're book is about a painter, then paining is the metaphore through which the character experiences his life. if the book is about a swimmer, then swimming is the metaphore through which our character (and readers) experience life (and the story)

I haven't written in a while, but when I start up again, I'd like to really put that theory into practice.

I think that using this extended metaphore makes it possible to write about everyday things (especially sex) in a new and fresh way. you use the imagry and language of the "topic"... that would be how you interwieve your topic and your theme I guess. I don't know, it's late and I"m babbling.:)

I agree too, that storytellers give meaning to "raw experience" and therefore to life. perhaps the abilty to tell stories is what seperates the men (humans) from the beasts.
 
well, you are what you eat really is true, because the foods you eat supply the nutrients for your body to manufacture itself... yeah, I don't know the right word for what I want to say, but we really are what we eat.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
If the film is about me fucking then he's emphasizing the fact that my penis whistles and belches clouds of black soot when it enters my partner's vagina.

Oh my, someone please remind me that however inclined I may be, to NEVER hop in the sack with this man.

(I'm sorry, but you know I couldn't resist. :D )
 
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But words are symbols. And pictures can be symbols. Interchangeable surely? What else do we do when writing if not create pictures?

And it does work as written.

As the two bunk cabin plunged into darkness and their clawing passion rose the train penetrated the underground Stygian depths with electric speed.

Symbolic yes but easily metaphorical pron without the vulgar words.

Back to the AI.

This is from the subjective view that I've only ever used a smattering of 'high level' programming (basic on a Speccy*) but when 'modelling' an intelligence it seems to me that each part of a thinking machine is attached to relevant parts of the interior. A camera is attached to a display card, because the display card is what handles images as is the dvd player. The cd player is attached to the sound card for similar reasons. (Yes the DVD player plays sounds too which are also handled by the display card but you get my meaning)

But the brain (as far as I know) takes different parts from the input and scatters them about. The prime example I suppose being smell. Smells make pictures in the human mind. Pictures can re-create smells. And smells are deeply associated with words or symbols.

So we can take onions and get words, pictures, smells and textures but then we can also get events. Events are stories in themselves. An onion smell doesn't just remind us of onions it can create projection (which is what makes the human brain unique) and we can extrapolate sitting down in MacDonalds with our partner and kids anticipating the movie we are going to watch later from the word 'onion'.

*Spectrum 48k with the rubber keyboard and hardwired OS.
 
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