Comply or Die ?

[gotsnowgotslush]

Comply or Die, refers to vehicle drivers killed at traffic stops, by police officers.

A law is due to go into effect in 2017, in Illnois.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ce-stops-illinois-law-met-20160906-story.html

A new Illinois law aims to help drivers answer the timely question of what to do if stopped by police.

The measure comes amid heightened tension in Chicago and across the nation over how traffic stops can go terribly wrong — and in the worst cases turn deadly.


"...the law wasn't introduced in response to police shootings stemming from escalating traffic stops,"said state Rep. Frances Ann Hurley, D-Chicago, who filed the bill in February

"It was just to teach everybody the same thing," Hurley said. "It's an education bill. We want everybody to know what they're supposed to do when they get pulled over by police. If it helps somewhere down the line, that's wonderful."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-legislative-roundup-0806-20160805-story.html

Students enrolled in driver's education courses will be required to learn how to respond if they're pulled over by police under a measure Gov. Bruce Rauner signed into law.

The change is aimed at preventing teens from panicking or doing anything that may be interpreted as a red flag by police, which could lead to a standard traffic stop escalating into a more serious situation.

http://chicagoreporter.com/video-chicago-cop-opens-fire-on-black-teens-in-car/

Police officer shoots into moving car full of teens

September 22, 2016

Chicago police officer pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal civil rights charges alleging he used excessive force three years ago when he fired into a stolen car full of teenagers, wounding two, in an incident captured on dashboard camera video.

Marco Proano, 41, is the first police officer to face federal criminal charges stemming from an on-duty shooting in at least the past 15 years, according to a Tribune analysis of the shootings of 702 people by police over that time period.

The charges stem from a December 2013 shooting at 95th and LaSalle streets in which Proano was captured on video shooting repeatedly into a car as it backed away from him. The video of the shooting was first aired last year by The Chicago Reporter after it said it obtained the footage from former Cook County Judge Andrew Berman, who heard a criminal case involving one of the teens.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html

Videos from the fatal shooting of Paul O'Neal by Chicago police show a succession of apparent procedural errors, including police firing at a fleeing vehicle with other officers in harm's way and an admission by the officer who believed he fired the fatal shot that he had no idea whether the 18-year-old was armed.

Comments from that officer caught on video indicate he may have erroneously thought O'Neal had fired from a stolen car barreling in his direction. In fact, those shots were fired in the officer's direction by other police shooting at the stolen car in apparent violation of departmental policy.

Acting with uncharacteristic swiftness, Chicago officials on Friday made public nine video clips in all. Shortly before the 11 a.m. release, the head of the Chicago police oversight agency called the video footage "shocking and disturbing" and said her heart went out to O'Neal's family.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...s-fatal-shooting-met-0731-20160731-story.html

 

[Boxlicker101]

The police often shoot at people fleeing from them and whom they believe to be felons, such as auto thieves.

 

[JackLuis]

The police often shoot at people fleeing from them and whom they believe to be felons, such as auto thieves.

Police belief is not a a conviction. A whole lot of cops couldn't chase a felon down with all their 'safety equipment and the doughnut bellies. Shooting is so much easier.

 

[Bookishleigh]

The police often shoot at people fleeing from them and whom they believe to be felons, such as auto thieves.

Or caretakers flat on their backs with their hands up in the air.....

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

 

[Hypoxia]

Simple solution.

Avoid your local police.

Don't even let them see you..

 

[sr71plt]

Well, for starters, if they ask you to stop for any reason, don't keep walking.

Inbred attitude problems have a big cut in getting yourself killed in a police stop--the crazy gun laws in the States have an even bigger share.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

What surprised me about the incident of the girl on a bicycle, and the police officers that arrested her, was the head slamming.

Here, was a young woman, who had been hit by a car.
A head injury is likely.
It points to her combative attitude.

They are familiar with the firemen, and EMS and paramedics are familiar with both groups.

It is unlikely that police remain uninformed of the connection between head injuries and aggressiveness.

What is the first aggressive move a police officer makes when angry ?
Hit the face. Kick the head. Use a billyclub on the skull.

Knock them out, shut them up. Disable the mind with a head injury.
Shut the mouth of a protester.Slow down the ability to react.

Side effect is the victim of the head blow is disoriented, but agressive.
Perfect opportunity to vent tension, negative emotions, coiled fear.
Similar to fighting a drunk. Sluggish and delayed responses
Built in defense in court.
"Perp was aggressive, judge."
"Seemed to be under the influence of drugs."

Surprise! The prisoner has become aggressive, after a blow to the head.
It is not a surprise to them.

The police may very well use the knowlege,deliberately.
Not cooperative ? Defiant ? Disrespecting Their Authority ?
We have ways of making you talk.
We have ways to disable that sharp mind of yours.
We have ways of making your own brain work against you.

They slammed the head of a head injury victim, against a wall.
They made her initial injury worse.
Is this what ambulance crews witness ?

Are the police showing off their use of power to their dependents,
the firemen and medical teams ?
Macho posturing ?

Power play ?
Agree to keep our abuses secret, and laugh them off,
or we will not show up to use our authority against those
who may harm you.

Bullying, posturing and threats.
Even to their allies.

yikes

Extra point, treat the girl badly, to threaten the witnesses.
"This could be you."
"Hurting and under arrest."

Maybe, under the mask of bravado, is an awareness of how they have created the hate that is aimed against them. They fear the hate, and fear attack.
Caught in a horrible loop.

Meanwhile, there is a teen girl that will pay, for the rest of her life.
She was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.


"...riding her bike through an intersection with a yellow light when she was struck by a car. He said she was knocked unconscious for two minutes and suffered a concussion. The girl has said she fought the officers because she was dizzy, confused and scared."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-hagerstown-arrest-20160923-story.html

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, for starters, if they ask you to stop for any reason, don't keep walking.

Inbred attitude problems have a big cut in getting yourself killed in a police stop--.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff331/mossomo/thats-racist.gif

Silly white man don't you know this is the USA?

Black people should be able to do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT WITH TOTAL IMPUNITY!!!!

...or white privilege is oppressing them and the cause of all black peoples misbehavior.

I'm not even including Latinos and Asians, they are white as white gets anyhow.

 

[RUlookingup]

Well, for starters, if they ask you to stop for any reason, don't keep walking.

Inbred attitude problems have a big cut in getting yourself killed in a police stop--the crazy gun laws in the States have an even bigger share.

Sounds like our "liberal pilot" might be a not so closeted racist?

 

[urguyscott]

The thing to do when stopped by police is to obey and follow orders and do not make or say anything that could be seen as a threat. Most of the so called problems put on the air have been caused by people who did not obey the simple rule of following an officers orders and not cause any trouble. There will always be bad people in jobs (look at the White House) and people who make terrible mistakes and in our society they will be punished in a court of law, not on the so called news. How about the law in China and Russia and Cuba, Iran, etc.? They are a police state, the regular police have long been destroyed and political police have taken their place and only owe their loyalty to the leader and not the people. If the pro communists in this country get their way, we will have KGB or Gestapo type police. The FBI and the IRS and Home Land Security are all ready more like them then protectors of the people.

If pulled over keep your hands on the wheel, show your I.D. when asked, have them explain why they stopped you, do not resist or bad mouth or do anything that will make them feel you are a threat. Remember they do carry guns and if they feel they or the public is in danger they might just shoot your dumb ass.

 

[sr71plt]

Sounds like our "liberal pilot" might be a not so closeted racist?

Yes, I'm sure those who don't want to face common sense reality want to paper over this with the racism charge.

It's hardly a change on my part. I consistently said that the Ferguson case wasn't a good one because he was a out-of-control thug demanding that he be taken down. tough to anyone who wants to see looking at real underlying causes of these things as racist. I'm not doctrinaire that way.

 

[Paul_Chance]

I think some basic training of drivers on how to behave when stopped by the police is a good idea. It will make the encounters safer for everyone involved.

Always keep in mind when an officer encounters someone who acts out, that officer has no way of knowing why they're acting out. Even if (as in the NC case recently) you have bystanders shouting advice and information - you have no way of knowing if it's true. It appears in the NC case that the wife was telling police he was unarmed - all the while he was armed. Either she didn't know it or she was lying for the camera. You have no idea who the bystander is. You have no idea if what they're saying is true or false. You have no idea on why they've dealt themselves a hand at the table.

 

[RUlookingup]

Yes, I'm sure those who don't want to face common sense reality want to paper over this with the racism charge.

It's hardly a change on my part. I consistently said that the Ferguson case wasn't a good one because he was a out-of-control thug demanding that he be taken down. tough to anyone who wants to see looking at real underlying causes of these things as racist. I'm not doctrinaire that way.

When you start rolling out the "inbred" comments, it's hard to see you as anything other just another Hillary "super predator" closet racist pilot

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think some basic training of drivers on how to behave when stopped by the police is a good idea.

That's racism!!


Black people should be able to behave however they want with total impunity.

Or you're a racist.

 

[sr71plt]

When you start rolling out the "inbred" comments, it's hard to see you as anything other just another Hillary "super predator" closet racist pilot

I should care what a crazy loon like you thinks about me?

 

[RUlookingup]

I should care what a crazy loon like you thinks about me?

I'm merely pointing out who the true racists are. The Democrats, founders of the KKK. You fit right in pilot.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm merely pointing out who the true racists are. The Democrats, founders of the KKK. You fit right in pilot.

Again, when I consider the source of that remark I just go Meh.

 

[RUlookingup]

Lefties like truth like the wicked witch of the west likes water.

 

[Hypoxia]

I think some basic training of drivers on how to behave when stopped by the police is a good idea. It will make the encounters safer for everyone involved.

For survival, USAnians should always assume that police mean to harm you, because THEY will always assume that YOU mean to harm THEM. That's life in our (para)militarized society. No matter the ethnicities or region or gender or whatever, USA police are now an occupying force.

My home and adjacent rural mountain counties have almost no blacks, more Native Americans, and shitloads of poor white crackers. The neighboring country's uphill half is infested with meth labs, survivalists, and just plain antisocial folks. Fire+rescue crews won't go there without a police escort. Hikers disappear. Maybe that county NEEDS an occupying force.

Anyway, to survive a traffic stop, follow basic rules.

* Kick any contraband under a seat. Maybe they won't look.
* Remove dark glasses and any obscuring head coverings.
* Keep your hands visible at all times and move very slowly.
* Don't try to talk your way out of it. Admit nothing. Shut up.
* If you look or act like a thug, you'll be treated like one. (1)
* You don't REALLY need that KILL THE PIGS bumper sticker.
* If you're too blitzed to understand the above, you're dead.

(1) Unfortunately, being non-white or badly groomed may put you in the looks-like-a-thug category. Be as clean and white as you can and you might survive the encounter. Good luck.

 

[RUlookingup]

For survival, USAnians should always assume that police mean to harm you, because THEY will always assume that YOU mean to harm THEM. That's life in our (para)militarized society. No matter the ethnicities or region or gender or whatever, USA police are now an occupying force.

My home and adjacent rural mountain counties have almost no blacks, more Native Americans, and shitloads of poor white crackers. The neighboring country's uphill half is infested with meth labs, survivalists, and just plain antisocial folks. Fire+rescue crews won't go there without a police escort. Hikers disappear. Maybe that county NEEDS an occupying force.

Anyway, to survive a traffic stop, follow basic rules.

* Kick any contraband under a seat. Maybe they won't look.
* Remove dark glasses and any obscuring head coverings.
* Keep your hands visible at all times and move very slowly.
* Don't try to talk your way out of it. Admit nothing. Shut up.
* If you look or act like a thug, you'll be treated like one. (1)
* You don't REALLY need that KILL THE PIGS bumper sticker.
* If you're too blitzed to understand the above, you're dead.

(1) Unfortunately, being non-white or badly groomed may put you in the looks-like-a-thug category. Be as clean and white as you can and you might survive the encounter. Good luck.

I smell liberal horseshit.