Come on, no thread yet about Israel's spies?

[phrodeau]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/24/middleeast/israel-us-iran-talks-spying/

Israel officials secretly gathered info about the Iran nuke talks and made the mistake of discussing it with American congresspeople. Now they've been exposed, and they're crying out that they didn't do it.

Who are you gonna believe?

 

[Boxlicker101]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/24/middleeast/israel-us-iran-talks-spying/

Israel officials secretly gathered info about the Iran nuke talks and made the mistake of discussing it with American congresspeople. Now they've been exposed, and they're crying out that they didn't do it.

Who are you gonna believe?

Since the Iranian nuclear program is of such vital interest to Israel, I would expect them to do their best to learn what was being said. I also would not hold it against them if they were finding out through spying, if that was their only recourse.

 

[phrodeau]

But just like their own nuclear weapons program, they can't fess up to it.

 

[sr71plt]

Who didn't know that Israel had perhaps the most active intelligence gathering (and action) program?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Who didn't know that Israel had perhaps the most active intelligence gathering (and action) program?

of course they do. But now it's suspected that they are using that intelligence gathering capability to not only undermine international negotiations with Iran, but to try to influence the U.S. Congress against those negotiations.

One's ally should not be trying to stir up dissent in your country. Otherwise, they aren't really your ally, just pretending to be.

 

[bogusguy]

They all spy, on enemies and allies.

 

[sr71plt]

of course they do. But now it's suspected that they are using that intelligence gathering capability to not only undermine international negotiations with Iran, but to try to influence the U.S. Congress against those negotiations.

One's ally should not be trying to stir up dissent in your country. Otherwise, they aren't really your ally, just pretending to be.

Again, what else is new? (And what country with the capability don't you think does this? Please don't say the United States, because I'd have to give you the horse laugh).

In Israel's case, are you unaware of the Israeli spies serving time in U.S. prisons for spying on the United States?

In the case of the Iranian nuclear program, I don't understand why the Israelis don't just bomb the Iranian facilities, with tacit U.S. consent, as they've done in the past.

 

[Busybody]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4O8sBWsAImaWZ.jpg

 

[1sickbastard]

In the case of the Iranian nuclear program, I don't understand why the Israelis don't just bomb the Iranian facilities, with tacit U.S. consent, as they've done in the past.

There may be any number of reasons.
Here's a few I've pulled straight from my ass:
-The cost/benefit analysis doesn't weigh in favor of military action.
-The Israelis have found Iran is nowhere close to building a nuclear weapon
-Military planners have determined an air strike won't succeed in the objective (keeping Iran from building a nuclear bomb)
-Right now, the rest of the middle east is focused on ISIS and ISIL, and don't care to remind them that they all hate Israel.

The reality is that Nation-States are rational actors. If the Israeli leadership thought it was truly within Israel's strategic best interest to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, they'd do it
That you, personally, don't understand why they don't is a sure sign you're not part of the Israeli leadership tasked with making those decisions.

 

[Busybody]

Again, what else is new? (And what country with the capability don't you think does this? Please don't say the United States, because I'd have to give you the horse laugh).

In Israel's case, are you unaware of the Israeli spies serving time in U.S. prisons for spying on the United States?

In the case of the Iranian nuclear program, I don't understand why the Israelis don't just bomb the Iranian facilities, with tacit U.S. consent, as they've done in the past.

Hussein Obama

 

[phrodeau]

OK, Israel didn't exactly spy on the US; they bought information from other countries' spies.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Israel didn’t spy on the U.S., but obtained information through other participants.

“We do not spy on the United States,” Lieberman told Army Radio. “… All the information we obtained is from a different side and not through the United States.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article16178222.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Busybody]

Cunt Clinton sent em an email

Wanted to send one to

BigCock4u.com and instead sent it to

Jew4U.com

 

[sr71plt]

That you, personally, don't understand why they don't is a sure sign you're not part of the Israeli leadership tasked with making those decisions.

Probably so, as I don't know the variables now as well as I did when they did bomb the facilities. But then even knowing the variables doesn't mean what they do would be rational based on the variables. It's why, I guess, I don't understand also why the Bush administration didn't just plant weapons of mass destruction to be found rather than running around with egg on its face over that. It wouldn't be the first time we'd done something like that and we certainly knew that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction--because the United States had supplied them in the first place. But of course we also knew what had happened to them--at least the information was available to the Bush administration; they just didn't pay attention to what was available to them (some were used--on Iran and the Kurds; some were sold; some deteriorated through lack of good care).

 

[KingOrfeo]

In Israel's case, are you unaware of the Israeli spies serving time in U.S. prisons for spying on the United States?

Well, I hope there are a few more before this is over.

In the case of the Iranian nuclear program, I don't understand why the Israelis don't just bomb the Iranian facilities, with tacit U.S. consent, as they've done in the past.

Because the Iranians have learned the lessons of Osirak and built their nuclear facilities in underground bomb-hardened bunkers. Not necessarily indestructible, but it would take some massive bombardment.

Also, because every time over the past two decades that the scenario of Israel bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has been wargamed, it always spins out of control into a general regional war and nobody can figure out how to prevent that result.

 

[1sickbastard]

Also, because every time over the past two decades that the scenario of Israel bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has been wargamed, it always spins out of control into a general regional war and nobody can figure out how to prevent that result.

I'd say that ship has pretty well sailed.
The issue now is preventing it from spreading

 

[someoneyouknow]

It's so common, it's not even news any more.

 

[doubleover]

But just like their own nuclear weapons program, they can't fess up to it.

Hey Play Dough are you a retired liberal or a hard working liberal?

 

[sr71plt]

Also, because every time over the past two decades that the scenario of Israel bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has been wargamed, it always spins out of control into a general regional war and nobody can figure out how to prevent that result.

Oh, I don't think that any country in the region would show up to support Iran in a war, even against Israel. Every time Israel has been able to set back the Iranian weapons program in the past, the countries in the region talked ugly, but they were delighted. I don't see why they wouldn't continue to be delighted.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hey Play Dough are you a retired liberal or a hard working liberal?

What was that in aid of?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Oh, I don't think that any country in the region would show up to support Iran in a war, even against Israel. Every time Israel has been able to set back the Iranian weapons program in the past, the countries in the region talked ugly, but they were delighted. I don't see why they wouldn't continue to be delighted.

Of course, all those war games were pre-ISIS . . . you think the presence of ISIS simplifies things any?!

 

[sr71plt]

Of course, all those war games were pre-ISIS . . . you think the presence of ISIS simplifies things any?!

I don't see where the presence of ISIS hardens any Arab country's attitude toward Israel or softens any Arab country's attitude toward Iran.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, I don't think that any country in the region would show up to support Iran in a war, even against Israel. Every time Israel has been able to set back the Iranian weapons program in the past, the countries in the region talked ugly, but they were delighted. I don't see why they wouldn't continue to be delighted.

I think Gaza would make common cause with Iran against Israel and so would Syria if they weren't so embroiled in civil strife.

 

[sr71plt]

I think Gaza would make common cause with Iran against Israel and so would Syria if they weren't so embroiled in civil strife.

I'm not a bit surprised you'd think that, Box. It goes along with most every thing else political that you think. The Syrian regime, in particular, is going to go "bye bye" if it doesn't repress ISIS.